If only.............

[Dr Jekyll]

Inspired by the Tempest/typhoon thread. . .. .What extinct types would we most like to see in the air, either as restorations or accurate replicas? . .. .By extinct I mean in terms of flying examples.. .. .My nominations.. .. .B36 (Dream on). .Vulcan (Perfectly possible, money permitting). .Hornet (Replica should be possible). .HP42 (Ditto)

[pulse1]

Javelin and Scimitar - just for the blue noise. (regularly used to drown out the teacher's voice when I was at school). .. .Mosquito - for sound and beauty.

[Zlin526]

De Havilland Hornet. .Handley Page Hampden. .Bristol Beaufighter (nearly there TFC!). .Hawker Typhoon. .Handley Page Halifax. .Henschel 129

[PaperTiger]

I'll get this one in before anybody else does: . .. .The Avro Arrow of course !. .Although a TSR2 would be acceptable as well.

[Caslance]

Some absolute beauties there....prsonally, I'd love to see (and hear!) a Westland Wyvern restored to flying condition.. .. .A TSR2 would be nice as well, if only to invite comparisons with the Tornado!

[Fris B. Fairing]

To add a Down Under flavour to the discussion:. .. .Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation CA-15. .. .Cheers

[CoodaShooda]

Fris. .Isn't there a flying rebuild underway, albeit with P-51 parts?

[RampTramp]

CoodaShooda,. .. .I think you're getting mixed up with the Martin Baker MB5 which is being 'replicated' in the USA. . .. .RT

[No comment]

Bristol 188 and the good ol' H126

[Rallye Driver]

A Vulcan is actually being brought back to flying condition at Bruntingthorpe in a multi-million £ venture. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .I'd love to see an HP42 recreated, they look so amazing in the 30s newsreels, definitely a civilized way to travel.. .. .Also on the wish list, some German jobbies. How about a Ju 87, Ju 88 and Me 110.. .. .Also a Typhoon would be great. Someone somewhere must have a Sabre in their garden shed.. .. .RD

[Capt Vegemite]

Dornier Do X.. .But only if they hire Draper as inflight stoker.

[DB6]

Me 110

[Skylark4]

Walrus

[ORAC]

Only one candidate - XB-70 Valkyrie:. .. . <a href="http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b-70-ecn-1814.jpg" target="_blank">XB-70</a>. .. . <a href="http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b-70.htm" target="_blank">Site</a>. . . . <small>[ 09 March 2002, 06:35: Message edited by: ORAC ]</small>

[Vfrpilotpb]

Skylark,. .. .There is a Walrus being/not far of ready to fly some where in the area of north west of London, been there and seen it, even had a new engine boxed, but cannot remember where the hell it was!. .they have a private grass strip and are near to the big house once owned by Nick Grace, if that helps! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .I would like to see the Beaufighter, "Whispering Death" according to our past enemys!

[CoodaShooda]

RT. .Thanks...but not really that confused this time. . .I was aware of the MB5 rebuild but thought I'd also read of the CA15. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 09 March 2002, 14:37: Message edited by: CoodaShooda ]</small>

[Skylark4]

VFR. . Glad to hear of the Walrus. I am always drawn to the underdog/ the unconventional. The Walrus was surely an ugly duckling but did an awful lot of good work in the SAR role. Hope it gets to the PFA Rally sometime.. .. .Mike W

[PaperTiger]

Dick Melton is doing the UK Walrus.. .The RAAF Museum is doing <a href="http://www.suburbia.com.au/~anarensw/walrus/walrus.htm" target="_blank"> another one </a>.

[pigboat]

Staggerwing Beech and the Spartan Executive. Oh, and a brand new MkV Norseman. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

[PaperTiger]

Need to get out more, pigboat <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> . .Lots of -17s around, several Spartans too.

[Flatus Veteranus]

Sunderland, Sandringham or Solent (the "Empires" were all broken up). .Boeing 314 Clipper

[pigboat]

Not at the original prices, there ain't! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .FV, if you're interested in a model of the Sunderland, the 1:48 scale will be available shortly.. .<a href="http://www.hobbycraft.com/whatsnew.html" target="_blank">http://www.hobbycraft.com/whatsnew.html</a>. .Scroll all the way to the bottom of the page, it'll be on the extreme lower right.. . . . <small>[ 10 March 2002, 23:33: Message edited by: pigboat ]</small>

[Who has control?]

No contest - D.H. Hornet.. .. .Athough the Mitsubishi Ki 46 'Dinah' -the long nose version as per the old Airfix kit, runs it a close second in the 'best looking aircraft' stakes.

[JWH]

As I'm young enough not to properly remember seeing either a Vulcan, Lightning or Banana Jet take to the skies I'd love to see them screaming along (without visiting SA for the latter two!). . . . <small>[ 11 March 2002, 22:22: Message edited by: JWH ]</small>

[Kermit 180]

I'd like to see an original Ju87 take to the skies and perform a simulated dive bomb attack at an airshow, siren screaming and everything. Ugly, evil looking aircraft but fascinating nevertheless.. .. .I'd also love to see a flying Hawker Tempest V or Typhoon. These probably aren't impossible restorations, after all, in the last 20 years in NZ we've seen Harvards, Spitfires, Mustangs, a Corsair, an Avenger, a Bf109G-10, a Hawker Hurricane MK I, and many other historic aircraft take to the skies.. .. .Kermie <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

[Vfrpilotpb]

Kermit,. .Engine for Typhoon would be next to impossible, I would think only God or one of his gang would be able to locate one, or any spares! What a shame though!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[Iron City]

Do the Canadians stilltake some of the collection at Ottawa out one or two days a year? Remember being tremendously impressed walking into one or the old hangers and seeingthe biggest, roundest MLG tire I ever saw then looking upo and up and up and just before falling over backwards it was a Lanc. With a 10gal can under each engine to catch the dripping oil. Even smelt like a hanger is supposed to.. .. .They had (have) a Norseman that was flyable then. It was the Fokker D-VII and some other early stuff that would be great to see flying.. . . . <small>[ 13 March 2002, 12:59: Message edited by: Iron City ]</small>

[fradu]

There is a Tempest V under rebuild in the UK for Kermit Weeks, fitted with a Napier Sabre engine.. .. .There's some doubt whether it will fly because of the powerplant's reputation.. .Be nice to see it though, and compare it to the Tempest II's and Sea Furies under restoration or repair in the UK.. .. .Mark

[Squawk7777]

Some exotic German WWII planes:. .. .Dornier Do335 "Pfeil" (my favorite!). .Focke-Wulff Fw200. .Arado Ar234. .Horten Ho229

[Squawk7777]

how could I forget these:. .. .Me 163/263 (have never seen one - does anybody know where they are on display?). .Me 264 (America Bomber). .Junkers Ju287

[Bigmouth]

ORAC, I´m with you. The bad ass mother of them all.. .And at the other end of the spectrum: the TBD.. .Kermit Weeks has a Sunderland and I´m pretty sure he flew it in.

[cubby]

Hi gang. .New to this forum so here's a start. .How about the Black widow, is it P63?. .and a wirlwind. The twin engined a/c from WWII which I know nothing about .. .. .Cubby <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[BeauMan]

For me, it's got to be the Beaufighter, although some very interesting types have been mentioned, namely the Do335, P61 and Hornet. Hmm. All twin engined WW2 birds - is there a theme developing here? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

[John Farley]

Squawk7777. .. .There is an Me 163 in the Cosford museum

[Skytrucker87]

Good old jav! memories of 29 Sqdn and 151 and 5 and 25.

[BEagle]

Just get G-ACSS, the wonderful DH 88 Comet airborne again please!. .. .Saw her flying once when I was flying near Benson. What a classic sight. After her restoration, of course - not 1934!!. . . . <small>[ 15 March 2002, 20:01: Message edited by: BEagle ]</small>

[PaperTiger]

BEagle. .. .There's a replica DH88 flying in the US. Does that count ? Saw it at Oshkosh a couple of years back.. .<a href="http://wingsofhistory.org/comet.htm" target="_blank">http://wingsofhistory.org/comet.htm</a>

[BEagle]

This replica is an excellent example of sensible modification of the original design. No doubt the washout dramatically improves the handling at low speeds by making the Comet's tip-stalling vice less likely! A decent hydraulic system and modern instruments seem reasonable as well!. .. .Love to have a go in it!

[Squawk7777]

Thanks JF. Here some other weird WW2 German late war "planes". .. . <img src="http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/lrg0235.jpg" alt="" /> . .. .Dr. Lippisch's DM-1 . .I have been trying to find out more information about this "plane", but was not successful so far.. .. . <img src="http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/lrg0361.jpg" alt="" /> . .. .Blohm und Vos BV 141. .. . <img src="http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/ju287-1.jpg" alt="" /> . .. .Junkers Ju 287. .yes, the wings are swept-forward. .. .The pictures were taken from . .. . <a href="http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org" target="_blank">Warbirds Resource Group</a>

[Bright-Ling]

Definitely the Boeing B314 Clipper.. .. . <a href="http://www.b314clipper.com" target="_blank">Clipper Site</a> . .. .Fantastic

[rover2701]

Bristol 188 and TSR2. .also how about Saunders Roe SR53 and SR177 Rocket interceptors

[Mycroft]

Squawk. .<a href="http://visi.net/~djohnson/lippisch/lip13a.html" target="_blank">http://visi.net/~djohnson/lippisch/lip13a.html</a>. .basically the DM-1 was a research glider designed by Alexander Lippisch (who had previously designed sailplanes and the Me 163. . .Span 5.92m Lenth 6.6m Height 3.18m Wing Area 20 sq m Wing Sweepback 60 degs Maximum wing profile thickness 16.6% at 45% chord Maximum fin profile thickness 19.2% at 45% chord Empty weight 297kg Loaded weight 460kg Release altitude 8,000m Max speed 560km/h Landing speed 72km/h. .The DM-1 (and DM-2 jet powered (800-1,200km/h) and DM-3 rocket powered (2,000km/h) versions) was not flown during the war, but was taken to America and test flown, now stored at the Smithsonian.. .Post war Lippisch moved to America and was incolved in the design of the Convair F102A Delta Dagger

[Lu Zuckerman]

FYI:. .. .Weeks Air Museum Closed. .. .The Weeks Air Museum, located at the Kendall Tamiami Executive Airport, closed Sunday July 22, 2001. Founder and President Kermit Weeks announces that the Museum will be moved to The EAA Sun 'n Fun Museum in Lakeland, FL. Following several months of discussions, the Boards of each organization recently reached unanimous agreement that the Weeks Air Museum aircraft would be displayed at the Lakeland location.. .. .The Weeks Air Museum opened in 1985 and displayed historic vintage aircraft, many of which were operational. Visitors could find a four engine Boeing B-17 Bomber, a P-51 Mustang fighter or a Beechcraft Staggerwing (the Lear Jet of the 1930's) among the 20 plus aircraft that were on display. The Museum was actively involved in organizing flight demonstrations, tours for school groups and was used for private and corporate parties.. .. .In August of 1992 , Hurricane Andrew destroyed the building housing the Museum resulting in prolonged closure while the structure was rebuilt. Each of the 36 aircraft on display sustained varying degrees of damage. Two large aircraft that were tied down outside were heavily damaged and transported over a mile from the Museum by the severe winds of the hurricane. Several of the aircraft have since been rebuilt, but others still await their turn.. .. .Museum President Kermit Weeks has said that several considerations prompted the move, with financial concerns being foremost. The annual attendance has not been enough to cover rising costs and the Museum lease will expire in 2003. At that point, projected Museum income would be inadequate to cover operating costs and pending increases in the building lease, therefore, the Board of Directors began to seek alternatives.. .. .Preliminary discussion were initiated with Sun 'n Fun officials who indicated that there was space at the Lakeland location to house the entire Weeks Air Museum collection. The similarity of concepts and goals of the two organizations made the decision logical. The Weeks aircraft will add significantly to the Sun 'n Fun Museum display and to the aviation story it can tell.. .. .Mr. Weeks said that, "the volunteers and employees of Weeks Air Museum have been great and always very supportive. Without their dedication we would not have come as far as we have. It is with regret that we leave Miami, but we are excited about the future possibilities in Lakeland."

[LowNSlow]

That Ju287 looks really neat. A lot like the Arado 234 except for the forward swept wings.. .. .Would love to see all of the previously mentioned aircraft flying again especially the Sabre engined Tempest. Re the Sabre's reputation, Napier ran one for 3,000 hours continuously to demonstrate to the RAF that the RAF's maintenance procedures for the Sabre were more suited to the Merlin. Shows that the 25 hour TBO (yup 25 hour) was not really justified........... . .. .Wouldn't want to belly land or ditch one though. Very few people got away with that. Pierre Closterman (autor of The Big Show) did I think <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> . .. .Can't wait to see the Beaufighter flying from Duxford too

[BeauMan]

LowNSlow - think you've got quite a while to wait on that Beau. The TFC boys were tentatively estimating another five years when I spoke to them last summer, as they've got all sorts of hurdles to overcome; the joys of being the first organisation to restore one to fly! I also hear now that work's stopped temporarily, so it might be delayed even further. Will be great to see her fly though <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

[LowNSlow]

Beauman, that's a pity. I suppose like everything else it'll take as long as it takes. Looking forward to seeing it fly and hearing Hercules engines in the sky though. Pity it's only 2 instead of the 4 fitted to a Halibag <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .Pity there isn't an airworthy Mosquito in the UK anymore. A Beau and a Mossie in formation would be quite a sight to see.

[astir 8]

How about a Hamilcar glider carrying a Tetrarch tank towed by a Stirling?????