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Pelikal
28th Apr 2012, 13:18
I was having a browse through a number of 'oldish' space/cosmic type books last evening and found an image of Yuri, pre-launch, fully kitted and perhaps being transported to the pad.

What I noticed in the pic was another fellah directly behind him similarly kitted. It occurred to me that this person was a standby in case Yuri wet himself on the way to the pad. I would imagine more than one person was being trained for the flight.

I went through the books again earlier but couldn't find the pic. However I've found it after doing a google image search. I don't know how to post the pic but if you search for:

060412 gagarin 02.jpg

you should find the image. It is on space.com. Does anybody know if there was a standby and if so, who he was? (I'm assuming male, don't flame me!). I bet he was a bit niffed if indeed he was already to go. Perhaps this is well known stuff but I thought I would try here first.

As an aside, one of the books I was thumbing through was Cosmos by Carl Sagan from 1980 ish. What struck me was the difference in presenation between this book and The Wonders of the Universe by Prof. Brian Cox. Many, or most, of the images in Cosmos are actually paintings and bordering on science fiction. Quite remarkable really compared to the actual photos in the book by Cox.

There is some really interesting material in Cosmos that I had not fully appreciated before, it explores so many avenues.

Later tonight on BBC2 at 9.00pm, Tommy Cooper.

Regards, Pelikal.

RJM
28th Apr 2012, 13:34
Here you are, Pelikal:

http://i46.tinypic.com/qoahjo.jpg

hellsbrink
28th Apr 2012, 13:36
Of course more than one man was trained for the flight, there were a total of eight (originally 6 but 2 were replaced so 8 men were training for that mission) who went through the final training. Gagarin was eventually chosen as the sole cosmonaut, but it was a close call between him and Gherman Titov who then became the "backup" should anything have happened to Gagarin and went on to be the "second man in space" when he was the cosmonaut on the following mission.

We know Yuri didn't cack himself on the way to the launchpad (he may have on lift off, however), so Titov wasn't needed that day and the rest we all know.

brockenspectre
28th Apr 2012, 13:39
A tiny segue.. but interesting story here (http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/05/02/134597833/cosmonaut-crashed-into-earth-crying-in-rage) about Gagarin and Komarov. :ok:

compressor stall
28th Apr 2012, 13:55
There was a lot of censorship (not unsurprisingly) and airbrushing out of photographs of the cosmonaut era. Presumably people falling out of favour. Gagarin was in some, which when printed later had people missing from the photos.


http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/wp-content/gallery/russian-space/11-three-fake-fill-ins.jpg


The image RJM posted above was also subject to airbrushing. The chin of the man immediately behind Gagarin belongs to the man airbrushed out of the photos above who was expelled from the Cosmonaut ranks and later suicided. Early images had his full face, then later images (RJM's) had it cropped to just the chin, then the final images had him airbrushed out completely.

Full article here. (http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/04/soviet-space-propaganda/?pid=1181&viewall=true)

Pelikal
28th Apr 2012, 13:59
RJM, yes, that is the pic. Hellsbrink, thanks. Didn't know about the other fellah, Titov. With a name like that I should have known.

rjtjrt
28th Apr 2012, 14:01
An excellent book about this is "Space Race" by Deborah Cadbury (ISBN: 978-0007209958).
It was made into a TV program by, I think, BBC.

John

hellsbrink
28th Apr 2012, 14:05
Didn't know about the other fellah, Titov. With a name like that I should have known.

Why would you think of him? After all, the second man in space is just doing what someone else already did.

Milo Minderbinder
29th Apr 2012, 01:23
Some of the air-brushings were due to disciplinary issues, however there is a long running theory that some were cosmonauts who were lost in space, never acknowledged as such, and removed from history
The Fortean Times article names some of them

See Lost in Space | Articles | Features | Fortean Times UK (http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/1302/lost_in_space.html)

Lost Cosmonauts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cosmonauts)


and this is purported to be the real first woman in space - dying
Lost Cosmonaut - Is this the first woman in space? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9Sgc1I9sjfc)

BN2A
29th Apr 2012, 08:16
Wasn't Vladimir Ilyushin the first man to go to space and return alive???

:oh:

PS - The evidence.... Cosmonaut Cover Up

jcjeant
29th Apr 2012, 09:13
Hi,

Check this ... very interesting documents (photos-captions) about Yury Gagarin the unforgettable first man in space :ok:
gagarin | Search Results | English Russia (http://englishrussia.com/?s=gagarin&x=5&y=8)

TWT
29th Apr 2012, 11:44
A tiny segue.. but interesting story here (http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/05/02/134597833/cosmonaut-crashed-into-earth-crying-in-rage) about Gagarin and Komarov. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

Now we know where the expression 'You're toast' comes from.The first picture in that article :eek:

stagger
29th Apr 2012, 11:51
There was a BBC radio play about Yuri Gagarin & Gherman Titov called "Titanium".

'Titanium' Radio 4 Afternoon Play (http://www.anitasullivan.co.uk/Titanium_Anita%20Sullivan.htm)

It is claimed that "If Yuri Gagarin had so much as sneezed on the 12th of April 1961 the honour of being the first man in orbit would have gone to his training partner, Gherman Titov"

DX Wombat
29th Apr 2012, 15:34
It is interesting to note that in the early years of spaceflight (admitted and not admitted by the authorities) there were reports from Radio Amateurs who claimed to have heard voices of people in some distress from Russian spaceships.
Some interesting information here (http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0235.shtml) and here. (http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html)

corsair
29th Apr 2012, 23:24
The remarkable thing is that so few people died in space. When Columbia crashed and it was a crash. I commented to people that it was no more than a mere plane crash, although a very high profile crash. In my daily job, I can kill eight people including myself. It sure as hell wouldn't attract the publicity as Columbia.

I don't know about the how many people died in the Soviet space programme but it's amazing how few were killed overall considering how dangerous it is.

reynoldsno1
30th Apr 2012, 01:04
I recall manystories about the USSR getting several cosmonauts to the moon before the US, but they all suffered from severe deceleration sickness ...

lomapaseo
30th Apr 2012, 01:23
I recall manystories about the USSR getting several cosmonauts to the moon before the US, but they all suffered from severe deceleration sickness

That often happens with underground landings

G-CPTN
30th Apr 2012, 01:24
When you consider how many souls have perished on Earth whilst building structures or during mining - or even when fishing, not to mention oil exploration or day-to-day vehicular transport, the figures for space pioneering seem not unreasonable.

Others die during sport participation or by natural causes (diseases).

It's difficult to establish what is acceptable or, perhaps, insignificant.

Pelikal
30th Apr 2012, 15:25
BN2A, thanks. I have just watched the link you posted. I have no idea what made me suspicious in the first instance.

BN2A
3rd May 2012, 06:33
You're welcome! Just wanted the truth to be known...

:ok:

barry lloyd
3rd May 2012, 16:35
During the Yeltsin years, I visited the MiG factory in Moscow. There was a museum inside the offices, in which there were many photos of Yuri Gagarin. I noticed that in the more recent photos of him, there was a quite noticeable scar on his forehead. I asked the person who was showing me around about this, but they made no comment. Later the same year I met a former MiG test pilot at Zhukovsky (the Russian equivalent of Farnborough in its' day), and mentioned it to him. He laughed, and told me that it was as the result of jumping out of a second-floor window of a flat (the Russians count the ground-floor as floor No 1). Apparently he had been in a relationship with the wife of a senior officer, who had come home unexpectedly. Gagarin jumped out of the window and fell awkwardly. Apparently some passers-by called an ambulance and he was rushed to hospital, and the whole thing was covered up. Being the equivalent of a western pop star in his day, he was very popular with the ladies, and something of a lothario apparently.
I have no way of verifying this, but I heard the same story from a very senior member of the Ministry of Aviation Industry in Russia a few years later. He did not know the person who had first told me the story.

G-CPTN
3rd May 2012, 16:46
his short stature at 1.57 metres (5 ft 2 in)
Yuri Gagarin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Gagarin#Legacy).