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noosariver
22nd Apr 2012, 20:19
See this website (http://www.crazycouncil.co.uk/) pointing out the management failings in North East Lincolnshire Council.

Could do with a few more of these...

stuckgear
22nd Apr 2012, 21:06
Ian Hislop's organ, Private Eye has been running a page named Rotten Boroughs for some time its rather insightful.

Sallyann1234
22nd Apr 2012, 21:21
That Rotten Boroughs page has been running for years. There has hardly been a Council in the land that hasn't been shown up at some time, and some have been repeatedly exposed.
It can be depressing to read Private Eye because the same corruption goes on year after year. It seems to be endemic and unending.

Sprogget
22nd Apr 2012, 21:24
The only proven method of stemming corruption is to separate people from money. Once you understand this, you will be at peace.

Airborne Aircrew
22nd Apr 2012, 21:30
The only proven method of stemming corruption is to separate people from money.

You're a Socialist then.. :E

stuckgear
22nd Apr 2012, 21:40
That Rotten Boroughs page has been running for years. There has hardly been a Council in the land that hasn't been shown up at some time, and some have been repeatedly exposed.
It can be depressing to read Private Eye because the same corruption goes on year after year. It seems to be endemic and unending.


indeed sally, and sometimes the same name, cropping up at different councils under different schemes.

it makes me laugh when people in the UK pontificate about african corruption.

Sprogget
22nd Apr 2012, 21:40
You're a Socialist then.. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/evil.gifNope. merely an observation on human nature. I've just made another, but if you understood it, you probably wouldn't like it.

Gertrude the Wombat
22nd Apr 2012, 22:27
See this website (http://www.crazycouncil.co.uk/) pointing out the management failings in North East Lincolnshire Council.
Didn't see the imprint - looks potentially dodgy to me, during an election. (I've got just one page with political content on my web site and the agent, quite correctly, insisted that I include a proper legal imprint.)

Hobo
23rd Apr 2012, 06:14
We've got this one (http://www.runnymedecouncilwatch.com/) in North Surrey, slightly less sensational than the Grimsby one.

ExSp33db1rd
23rd Apr 2012, 06:32
No different in NZ. It is " alleged " that our Mayor will make a personal gain from a new rating system that he is trying to introduce - bulldoze through, more like - and he steadfastly refuses to admit or deny this. No answer is a good enough answer for me.

At a public meeting last week about the proposals, he told me to sit down and shut up my loud mouth, and later that I was a " disreputable old bugger "

Old ? Yes. Bugger ? Negotiable. Disreputable ? probably defamatory.

Wots new ?

Blacksheep
23rd Apr 2012, 06:53
The transcripts of correspondance on that website are interesting. I find, when dealing with the council, that the advice proffered by C Parkinson (of Parkinson's Law fame) in his book "Bureaucrats, and How to Annoy Them" comes in very useful.

Being fed up with trying to get our local council officials to deal with fly-tipping, graffiti, litter, binge drinking in the town centre (at 10am!), dog mess and other assorted things that they are responsible for and have the powers to deal with, I am standing in this year's local election. With a bit of luck, someone may try to corrupt me. ;)

Gertrude the Wombat
23rd Apr 2012, 07:28
I am standing in this year's local election
That's the way to to do it! Even if you lose it at least gives you the right to moan about the council, which right people who never even vote in local elections simply do not have.
With a bit of luck, someone may try to corrupt me.
I fear you may be disappointed: it's never happened to me in all my years on the council, not even now that I am formally responsible for planning policy decisions that affect whether developers may or may not build hundreds of houses. Yes, people sidle up to me and start talking about bits of land that they want taken out of the green belt, but I've never been offered any bribes :{:{

Having said which I think I might be getting some free beer from CAMRA tonight ... however having thought about this very carefully I have decided that it is not a bribe and that it's OK to accept the invitation, provided of course that I file the hospitality form afterwards.

green granite
23rd Apr 2012, 07:56
All of which helps to prove that the best form of government is by a very benevolent dictator. :cool:

Sallyann1234
23rd Apr 2012, 08:19
But unfortunately they never stay benevolent for very long. Thay say that even Mugabe was relatively benign to start with.

ExSp33db1rd
23rd Apr 2012, 08:56
Thay say that even Mugabe was relatively benign to start with.

Yes, I have a Zim. friend who says they supported him in preference to Joshua Nkomo, at the time

Solid Rust Twotter
23rd Apr 2012, 08:56
Yup, must have been a whole two years before he began killing off his enemies Nkomo's mob). Wonder how it would have gone had the popular choice Muzorewa had the support of the West?

crazy council
23rd Apr 2012, 09:06
Hi

am the owner of the site mentioned at the top ad i can assure you theres nothing dodgy about it. I have been running it since 2009. Am in the process of doing one for every council in the country,

am interested in showing the data that the council try and hide.

for anyone interested in that type of thing, the whatdotheyknow website is a great source of info.

Anyhow, what good fortune to get my site mentioned on hear, i have been a reader for a while. I am not a pilot but i have a deep interest in flight, i Fly RC planes for years ( FPVing ). Bult a few of my own. even a fully functional drone ( or pilot assist systems to keep it legal in the UK )

This si a grate site for getting an understanding behind arcraft failures thats not reported on the news. what an honor to get my tiny whiney website mentioned on here.

Hay, that reminds me, your pilots, i hope none of you are replying using your phones or fondleslab while flying. .:ok: .

Gertrude the Wombat
23rd Apr 2012, 09:46
am the owner of the site mentioned at the top ad i can assure you theres nothing dodgy about it
A site which could be construed as taking sides in the election currently under way should carry a proper imprint. I didn't read your site in enough detail to form an opion as to whether it's necessary in this case, but you will no doubt have taken your own legal advice.

Effluent Man
23rd Apr 2012, 10:22
My council had a substantial amount of cash ,about £1500 I think,go AWOL between the parking machines and the bank.Each dept in between blamed the other for it's disappearance and it was eventually written off.

crazy council
23rd Apr 2012, 10:37
hi

understood, I dont put much up about the local elections, I think anyone should ignore party politics when voting in local elections, people need to get there head around the fact that your voting in people to help manage a substantial business in you local council. Instead, people vote for those with the best talk.


Imaging if pilots were picked the same way.


You load all your passengers on the plane, then say, lets vote for whos flying.


Pilots both says, I will


I have experience in flying this plane, am trianed and qualifed




Passenger who’s either ex gov employee, failed businessman, ex banker ect ect, Says, that sounds like an easy well paid job.


I have a long experience in dealing with hollistic applications and am fully trained in people skills, time management and I once played on a flight slim. Vote for me and I will make you plane go faster, better , longer and cheeper ( ignoring physics ). ----- By they way, do you get a parachute if you volunteer to be the pilot.


You would have planes going down as fast as council budgets.


Although the crash investigations would be simmilar


In local government, they blame the public for every mistake, until its absolulty proved that its not the public. Then they address the systems mistakes.




In flying, they seem to blame the pilot for everything, until its proved absolulty not there fault, frozen pilot tubes comes to mind.

green granite
23rd Apr 2012, 11:11
crazy council, if you wish to be taken seriously on here learn how to install a 'spell checker' and do a course on English grammar and you might get somewhere.

crazy council
23rd Apr 2012, 11:27
Point taken.

I do suffer from one of them conditions that everybody claims but next to nobody really has. Spell checkers can make it worse by changing the word. My brain for some strange reason, corrects words and spelling as am reading them, regardless of what the typed word says. hte=the nda=and and i swap letters around in words without seeing them.

I have a decent IQ though:(

Gertrude the Wombat
23rd Apr 2012, 11:55
My council had a substantial amount of cash ,about £1500 I think,go AWOL between the parking machines and the bank.Each dept in between blamed the other for it's disappearance and it was eventually written off.
Out of how many millions over what period?

My car parks have a similar issue, as internal audit found something along the lines of
not every single individual forged and foreign coin has a complete end-to-end paperwork audit trail
One might form the judgement that it's not worth spending £10k on systems and procedures and bureaucracy to keep better track of £1,500 for example (don't know how your council's numbers actually work out, but this is the sort of decision you have to make sometimes).

jabird
23rd Apr 2012, 16:00
I do suffer from one of them conditions that everybody claims but next to nobody really has. Spell checkers can make it worse by changing the word. My brain for some strange reason, corrects words and spelling as am reading them, regardless of what the typed word says. hte=the nda=and and i swap letters around in words without seeing them.

Well I will still second what green granite says. No shame in having dyslexia or any other related condition, many an airline boss has the same. However, if you want to appear credible, find someone to check it for you - and even more so, do the same if you send out any press releases.

I'd like to join the actual discussion itself but there's obviously a fair bit of reading to catch up on before commenting.

I don't think we're perfect, but I still think we're a great deal better than most countries - not that aiming for the lowest commmon denominator is an acceptable excuse.

Hobo
24th Apr 2012, 06:09
A site which could be construed as taking sides in the election currently under way should carry a proper imprint.

Gertrude TW, can you point me to the reference for this. I note you say 'should' rather than 'must'.

ExSp33db1rd
24th Apr 2012, 08:17
,,,,,,,,,,,frozen pilot tubes comes to mind.

As a pilot, God Forbid that I ever have a frozen pilot tube !

Sprogget
24th Apr 2012, 08:28
crazy council, if you wish to be taken seriously on here learn how to install a 'spell checker' and do a course on English grammar and you might get somewhere. This is hard to swallow when the wielder of the knife begins a sentence with a lower case letter. Take your own medicine Granite.

God save us from the spelling police. Dyslexia may be a recognised condition, but it's nothing next to pointlessly petty behaviour.

MagnusP
24th Apr 2012, 08:52
As a pilot, God Forbid that I ever have a frozen pilot tube !

Puts me in mind of a comment made by David Niven about the effect of filming a skiing scene. "It looked like a blue acorn". :eek:

crazy council
24th Apr 2012, 11:40
pitot tube --- pilot tube. Can you see what confusion a spell checker gives me

I will read that book thats mentioned, i recon i could write the sequal. The comment about wanting to be corrupted made me laugh out loud. I think jerry pulmans Iron law of bureaucracy summs up local councils, everyone start with the right intentions, then get corrupted by the system. :ugh: .

Although i suffer from a form of dyslexia ( dysgraphia ) , am a wiz with math and numbers, especialy big complex datasets. My interst in council started when i was trying to understand the operation of the council tax systems ( 2005 ). One of the things that has let me get nice and deep into the numbers before anyone starts trying to hide them is peoples natural assumption that if you struggle to spell, that it may be an indication of your intlelgents.

But, anyhow, i have spent hours catching up on this forum, what a great source of intelegent opinions:D witch can be quite rare on the internet.

Gertrude the Wombat
24th Apr 2012, 11:48
Gertrude TW, can you point me to the reference for this
Nope. My reference on election law is my agent, and he's a bit busy just right now.

Ancient Observer
24th Apr 2012, 14:33
....er, why on Earth would someone on pprune need an agent?

Gertrude the Wombat
24th Apr 2012, 14:42
The job of the election agent is to go to prison if there's a cock-up and a serious accidental breach of election law.

Without an agent it'd be the candidate going to prison, which would be a bit unfortunate if they'd actually won the seat ...

crazy council
24th Apr 2012, 16:36
I genuinely wish you good luck. You seem like your interested in your local issues and it only by getting people like you, who seem genuinely interested in having a nose around, that things will improve in local councils.


Re – election agents, yes they are a need. If not you get people doing stuff like this and getting arrested. Gosh I laughed when I read this.


Woman arrested after entering mannequin into council elections - Crime - UK - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/woman-arrested-after-entering-mannequin-into-council-elections-7665476.html)


I had considered entering the back end of a pantomime horse in our local elections in 2009.


anyhow, so I don’t get bumped off your forum for none pilot stuff. I will not post any council stuff, if anyone has any questions you can email me.


I do wish to come back to this forum in a few weeks to ask you airline staff some questions.


I have been interested in electrical phenomenon for many years. Particularly foo fighters lights reported by airline staff. Being interested in physics as well. I suspect that these may be linked to electrical disturbances in the ground, or between the ground and the upper atmosphere.


I was wandering ( and will go looking ) if there’s any data sets on these reports. As it would seem easy to plot the reports on google earth to see if there is any relationship with either geological activity or lava plums ( under the crusts ) or the resonance frequency of some rock types under pressure.


Each have been proposed for the cause of a number of strange phenomenon on the ground and in the atmosphere. Some of the descriptions by pilots in relation to how these lights seem to move relative to the plane, make a lot of sense if you consider they may be plasma or concentrated electrical phenomenon.

Hobo
3rd May 2012, 06:12
Gertrude TW, can you point me to the reference for this?

Nope. My reference on election law is my agent,

...now that I am formally responsible for planning policy decisions that affect whether developers may or may not build hundreds of houses


GTW With respect, I do hope you take a bit more care with your planning decisions than you do with election matters, and do your own research into, eg, the NPPF and the T&CPA1990 on each application rather than relying on someone else, such as a Planning Officer, for a "reference"...

simon brown
3rd May 2012, 13:29
"pointing out the management failings in North East Lincolnshire Council."

It would be far more expeditious to create a web site praising Council decisions ...it would'nt require much updating..in fact it would probably be pointless exercise

Waterfordman
4th May 2012, 19:13
There are plenty more word press sites these days about local council situations. Whilst both the one here and the Rotten Borough one have been about awhile, the discussion is more wide spread with word press blogs being linked to twitter.

I don't know if the poor spelling and layout on the one in the link has in fact added to it's popularity and discussion?