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Bizjetdriver142
22nd Apr 2012, 17:35
Hello all,

I'm currently looking up information about the 1974 Pan Am Flight 810 accident, which happened during approach to Denpasar-Ngurah Rai Bali International Airport.
So far the most complete accident report summary I found is this one at panamair.org:
Pan Am Accidents: Clipper Climax (http://www.panamair.org/accidents/climax.htm)
As far as I understand it, they were flying a NDB letdown approach to Runway 09.
Does anyone here by chance still have the approach chart for this particular approach at Denpasar-I mean the one from that time frame, 1974, or close to that year?
Would be very nice if someone still had one or could supply a scanned copy.

Thank you very much for your help in advance.

Best regards,

Oliver

Duchess_Driver
23rd Apr 2012, 08:48
Oliver

Can I ask why specifically that plate? Or would one from the same era suffice for your interest?

Macarthur Jobs Air Disaster Vol1 details a similar Pan Am 707 accident around the same time, this one at Pago Pago where there is a copy of the plate for that approach. No reference to your accident has a copy of the plate you mention.

I can scan the plate for Pago if you want but that's not what you asked for.

DD

Bizjetdriver142
23rd Apr 2012, 12:52
Hello DD,

thanks for your answer.A chart from the same era would suffice as well, as long at it depicts the NDB letdown approach to RWY09 which PanAm Flight 812 was flying when it crashed.
As you said, none of the reports(there is very little information at all) about this accident seems to contain the approach chart, which is a bit strange, as usually a copy of the approach chart is included in an accident report, if the accident occured during an IFR approach.
Especially in this accident, where IFR navigation seems to have been an important factor.
I just have a strong interest in aviation accidents during that era and it would be very interesting to see the chart for this particular approach.

Nevertheless if its not too much trouble for you, if you could scan the PagoPago-Chart, that would be very kind,since this is another accident from that era.
Best regards,

Oliver

bozone22
17th Dec 2012, 02:46
Hello Bizjetdriver,

It has been a long time since I have seen the Jeppesen NDB approach chart used by Clipper 812. Clipper 812 turned too early because one ADF needle showed station passage while the other needle showed the aircraft North of the station. You can view the ILS-DME Arc Clipper 806 was using in the accident records on-line through ERAU. The very first time I saw these accident reports there was no such thing as the internet. The reason I remember these Pan Am accidents are for many reasons such as many accidents close together, Clipper 812, 816 final destination was San Francisco, CA. Pan Am's Pacific base of operations. Clipper 806 final destination was Los Angeles, CA., my hometown and also whereas the FAA's Western regional office in charge of watching Pan Am's Pacific operations. Pan Am was torched over these accidents because some of the Pilots were known to be airmen with questionable skills.

4Greens
17th Dec 2012, 08:19
There were Cu Nimbus in the area which affected the ADF. There was a short movie about it around at the time. ATSB may well be able to point you in the right direction.

WHBM
17th Dec 2012, 09:34
Pan Am was torched over these accidents because some of the Pilots were known to be airmen with questionable skills.
You would have thought that Pan Am would have been perceived as the elite of the elite for crew recruiting, yet their accident record, right to the end of their time, was way beyond what other carriers experienced. The FAA may have torched somebody, but it seemingly was never got to grips with.