View Full Version : Can anybody identify this 'mystery' car please?

18th Apr 2012, 10:15
Could I possibly request some help from the car buffs on here? :O

Friend of mine is curious as to what kind of car his grandfather is driving... Does anybody know what this dinky little pretty motor is?


Lon More: I'm not sure Radz, but the curve of the door and the scuttle look a bit Wolesley like. It's very dfficult without a photo showing more of the car.

Sadly I think this is the only picture that there is...

green granite
18th Apr 2012, 11:01
You could try Classic Car Forum (http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/forum/phpbb/phpBB2/) Radz, they might know.

18th Apr 2012, 11:02
Biggest problem you have is that so many cars were individually bodied back then. They didn't make a million (boring) reproductions of one design.....

18th Apr 2012, 11:53
As OFSO has mentioned, in addition to there being hundreds of different vehicle manufacturers, many were bodied individually by bodybuilders, often to the requirements of the original owner.

I have trawled through many photographs without success, however the style suggests it was built 'around' 1910 plus or minus three or four years.

I have found a site:- Surrey Vintage Vehicle Society (http://www.svvs.org/contact.shtml) that receives requests for identification and I would suggest that you send them your best available copy of your photograph together with whatever information that you might have to:- [email protected]

They request that you have SVVS-MAIL and obvious car make or details in the subject line. I would suggest '1906 to 1914 two-seater coupé ' as the vehicle details.

You can, of course (as I have done) trawl through their 47 Help pages of photographs:-
SVVS Web Assistance with Classic, Vintage and Veteran Cars (http://www.svvs.org/help46.shtml)
to assist in refining your ideas about what possible make and vintage your vehicle might be.

Is it, perchance, left-hand drive? It's difficult to tell from the perspective of the photograph . . .

18th Apr 2012, 12:12
Thank you all - will inform the grandson of your thoughts and suggestions. :ok:

18th Apr 2012, 15:33
Is it, perchance, left-hand drive? It's difficult to tell from the perspective of the photograph . . .

The horn's on the left side, and that tool box...and those arches don't look very British. What countries had LHD in 1910?

18th Apr 2012, 15:37
My searches (although not conclusive) kept turning up French cars as being most lookalike.

The body style is, I believe, known as a Doctor's open coupé.

18th Apr 2012, 18:13
My first thought was a DeDion Bouton, similar to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:De_Dion_Bouton_8_HP.jpg), although the bonnet (hood) doesn't have the same louvres.

Sir George Cayley
18th Apr 2012, 18:28
I think it's a Darracq 8/10 around 1908.

Darracq (http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/lost_marques_darracq.htm)

Seems similar.


18th Apr 2012, 18:44
Looks a bit like this, doesn't it?


18th Apr 2012, 18:48
A Silver Ghost? :ooh:

18th Apr 2012, 18:57
Looks a bit like this, doesn't it?

What on earth have you been drinking :E

18th Apr 2012, 19:00
I think it's a Darracq 8/10 around 1908.
I would support that. I cannot prove it, but there are similarities.

green granite
18th Apr 2012, 19:00
Well the windscreen shape and the steering wheel position's similar I suppose Chequers. :cool:

18th Apr 2012, 19:36
I think it's a Darracq 8/10 around 1908.

Not enough spokes.
Looking at the website the 1908 Darracq had ten spoked wheels. Going on to 1912 brings the twelve spoked wheel into play but the bulkhead design is different.

18th Apr 2012, 20:33
Windshield shape, forward lamps, bonnet shape ...

Cut the back seats off of the ghost ... ;)

Perhaps it was a coach makers "copy" for a client. Perhaps it is a lost Rolls Royce two seat roadster concept model ! :)

18th Apr 2012, 21:01
Young girls and old cars - they all look the same to me.

Although I can still distinguish between a young girl and an old car - yet

18th Apr 2012, 21:04
The stable doors and the driver look rather Transylvanian. Are there any clues at all as to the country in which the photograph was taken? Is it an illusion that either the enthusiastic boy racer was very tall or that the car was quite tiny?
What form of propulsion was in that cylinder at the rear of the vehicle? Could it have been paraffin?
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Loose rivets
18th Apr 2012, 23:00
Thank you checkboard, that is exactly the picture I need to help me describe that car in my book.

19th Apr 2012, 12:25
I know little or nothing about cars of that era Radz, but I have a feeling it might be an American car, photographed over there. There are features like the two-part windscreen, particularly the frame shape of the upper one, that are evocative of Hupmobiles of the period. And the driver's hat and bulky coat (fur?) were styles adopted by the racy young men in their Hupmobiles and Stutz Bearcats, the "college boy" look.

Did your friend's grandad ever go stateside for a holiday or longer? :hmm:

19th Apr 2012, 13:20
The mystery car has a lot in common with the 1911 Marion Model 40 Roadster, namely:

1911 Marion Model 40 Torpedo Roadster 1 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jacksnell707/2995115309/in/photostream/)


Sloping scuttle between the bonnet and screen mounting
Rear mudguards radiussed into running boards (very rare on the rear, common on the front)
Transverse cylindrical fuel tank
Secondary lights on front corners of cockpit 'bathtub'
Some sort of trim piece between the bonnet & scuttle

The doors are different, but those in the picture look almost as if they are doors within doors. Maybe they were an add-on to a car which didn't have doors?

The mudguards on the Marion have a lip around them which the pictured car doesn't, and the front mudguards on the one in my attachment are completely different.

19th Apr 2012, 13:50
The vehicle depicted in the above link is shown as right-hand steer (which, I believe, applied to those vehicles built in the US until Ford changed to left-hand-steer production in 1908 with the Model T, and Cadillac in 1916).
I believe the subject of this thread to be left-hand steer although this might be an illusion.

Here's another candidate:-
1911 Izzer Roadster, Gas Engine Co. Peru, In

From:- Early American Automobiles 1911 Models (http://earlyamericanautomobiles.com/1911.htm)

19th Apr 2012, 15:39
A version of this REO ? http://www.canadiancar.technomuses.ca/images/frise_chronologique-timeline/full/1910/Ca-1910.jpg

Your folding screen seems heavier with unique hinges and the lights and horn appear very substantial and well made.