Support Labor and Julia

[LHLisa]

People here regularly complain about and bash the government.

Can I ask that everyone seriously consider what it will be like if the Liberals win the next election and there is no FWA and a new version of Work Choices is introduced?

It will not be pretty. I understand it is very fashionable to criticise our female PM, however we will all really be in the sh&# in our industry if the alternative comes into power. I understand that after the QLD election this is looking quite possible.

A lot of criticism is being directed at FWA. The option of no FWA is not a very good one though. The Liberal government do support Big Business. What big business want they get. The Liberal government want to squash the unions. I am not suggesting that Labor is faultless and that its all beer and skittles. But think seriously about this issue. It will affect us, our friends, our families, our children, and the environment we all like to enjoy on our days off.

[piston broke again]

Shirley you can't be serious!

[DynaBolt]

I think you may have watched to many of the labour Propaganda adds on TV.

DynaBolt

[Howard Hughes]

Can I ask that everyone seriously consider what it will be like if the Liberals win the next election and there is no FWA and a new version of Work Choices is introduced?
FWA? When Labour were elected they changed a few part of Work Choices and changed the name. Have you forgotten it was under your beloved Labour parties tenure that your fellow QF workers were forced back to work? We are not in the 1950's anymore, Labour do not support workers they only support themselves and their tenuous grip on power.

At least a capitalist admits he/she is only in it for himself!

[Knackers]

It'll definately be worse under the Libs. They'll have to pay off Swan's $300 billion debt instead of Beasley's $60 billion hole.

[Wally Mk2]

'Shirley' this is a wind up! Ya can't be serious:confused:

The Qld defeat was a HUGE wake up call for Juliar' so hopefully it will filter down to the bottom where the current Govt lie!:ugh:
Anyway the Mods won't let this thread last too long but for now it is funny!


Wmk2

[The Green Goblin]

And the alternative is equility via wealth distribution which discourages investment and growth.

When things look bad whack another tax on and try to tax their way into surplus and so fourth. The liberals will grow us via private enterprise. Labor just taxes private enterprise and they take their investments elsewhere.

In the "good times" of liberal government the total budget was 100 billion less than what the labor government currently enjoy in the bad times.

One must ask where that extra 100 billion is going!!

Burn the red witch I say.

P.s do you think the libs will go back to work choices after being told NO overwhelmingly at the last election? They may tweak FWA a little as there are systemic issues with it, but the concept isn't too bad.

[Frank Arouet]

I openly support this Labor Govt and especiially under the leadership of Ms Gillard. Without her there is a very small chance they may actually win the next election. At present she is the best thing to happen to the Liberal Party.

I agree with Wally, this won't last long.

[Cargo744]

Bit late for an April fools joke frank!

[gordonfvckingramsay]

Not much point having a government that upholds the rights of the worker when there is no economy to provide jobs. Jooolia is running us into the ground and the only thing between us an the economic almighty is our resources boom. Sadly, it is very believable that history would be repeating itself with the great Australian approach to politics. :confused:

[indamiddle]

if the Libs get in i know i will get a well deserved 50% pay rise, i will be working less hours hours with all young and hot hosties. tony will look after us all. julia has no idea. FWA will be gone and my individual contract will be fantastic.

[Jabawocky]

This thread looks like a wind up, but all I can think is that naive idealogogical beliefs are behind it.

Taxation is not a cure to your economic woes. It never has been, and never will be. It defies human nature.

Example, Carbon Tax which has nothing to do with climate even if man made CO2 was having drastic effects, it is a bizzare tax that will ruin many industries. Lets say canned pineapple. Cost of producing here vs imported from the Phillipines. All the farmers costs have risen due to a carbon tax, transport to the cannery have risen due the carbon tax, processing at the cannery has risen in cost due the carbon tax, wage inflation due carbon tax effects, transport to the retailers distribution centre raised due the carbon tax.

Now lets look at the imported pineapple. Lower cost to begin with, shipped to Australia, enters the port and sent to the retailers distribution centre.....only point where carbon tax is applied.

Now how did a dumb stupid tax benefit anyone anywhere in the world? And where did it do most harm?

If you think that BIG BUSINESS is going to cop this? If you think the consumer is going to cop this, think again. You will blame big business for closing down local canneries and farmers going broke on BIG business, but it will be the consumer at fault. And ask yourself why?

Despite QF management and their stupidity, look at the dumb union movement in the Qld coal industry at the moment. I have never seen such an over paid underworked bunch of whingers on strike in all my life. They have much to lose, and when a carbon Tax starts biting them on the arse, they will think twice, mind you not too many voted Labor up here recently.

If you think that the Liberal Party are only going to look after big business, and one hopes medium and small business, do you not think that is smart? This is where the real productivity is at, it is never in the public services, and without viable businesses what will hapen? The economy shrinks and unemployment rises.

We are on the brink of it now. Our interest rates are too high, our tourism and exports are suffering, and those that are not dead are not doing very well.

I did a rough calculation based on some information of unknown accuracy a while back on what the cost to my houshold would be, post carbon tax and health care rebate changes, and it was north of $30K. And Juliar is not going to offer me any compensation or tax relief at all. And my name is not Clive Palmer either.

So please tell me why we should be taking it easy on the Fat Arsed Red Headed Liar Bird and not turfing her and her cronies on the dole cue.

Rant over:mad:


PS.....and now that I have worked hard risked everything, paid off my house, educated my kids with no burden on the public system, employed people, never bothered to chase goverment handouts even when we may have qualified for some years ago, and now I am in a position to actually invest some serious money in retirement savings that I could not afford to do prior, I get no tax relief there because they have pulled the pin on that too.

I can tell you....I AM NOT HAPPY ONE BIT. And if I really knew the full effect, I could be excused for going postal about it all.:mad::mad::mad:

So LHLisa, think again, as I may actually be representitive of you and most other Australians. Screwed by the ALP.

[fender]

Usually I would say it's jumping from the fry pan into to fire, BUT, currently, I would rather burn than put up with anymore **** from the current evil f@#K..Am I allowed to say f@#k. f@#f@#f@#k

[Captain Sand Dune]

People here regularly complain about and bash the government. Quite true, and with good reason.
Can I ask that everyone seriously consider what it will be like if the Liberals win the next election and there is no FWA and a new version of Work Choices is introduced? No need to ask for consideration Lisa, coz we'll all find out at the next election when Labour (and hopefully their Greeny mates) are swept into political oblivion.
I understand it is very fashionable to criticise our female PM, And there it is! Lisa, no-one cares a rat's about whether our PM stands up or sits down to wee. We just want one who doesn't tell lies and is capable of doing the job. Please don't try and bring in those tired old feminist arguements.
we will all really be in the sh&# in our industry So, what is your industry?

[Wally Mk2]

Well said 'jabbadabadoo' don't hold back now there buddy:ok:

'Lisa' yr entitled to yr opinion we all are but I believe you are amongst the minority especially within the aviation fraternity.
Still I can't complain too much I'll go to my grave knowing that I/we had it pretty good once.I just feel for the generations to come for it's the youngsters of today that will pay for Juliar's misguided idea's, how that woman goes to bed of a night time & sleeps is beyond any normal persons reasoning's.:ugh:


Wmk2

[LMFAO]

WINDUP ha ha ha

[Keg]

The real issue is that an incompetent Labor movement in Australia means that serious discussions (like we should be cancelling penalty rates for casual weekend workers and treating every day the same and the social impacts of such a proposition) don't get the attention they deserve. Some big business are free to put forward those ideas and they're not being discussed because the attention is on a government self absorbed with 'saving the climate', 'gay marriage', silencing dissenting voices in the media, and taxing everyone who has worked hard to become self supporting. This too because an incompetent government is so busy trying to dig themselves out of a crap pile of their own making that they don't have the spare brain power/ capacity to actually engage in the social discussions that we should be having.

At least with the Libs in power I know the economy is ticking along with a degree of competence so that we can actually talk about other things.

[Fonz121]

Anyone who uses the word "Juliar" has the intelligence of an Alan Jones listener.

I'm no Gillard fan but can't see exactly what you think Abbott is going to do to make your lives any better. Hell, Abbott doesn't even know.

[squarebear]

The option of no FWA is not a very good one though./QUOTE]

I seem to recall that a certain airline executive used the Fair Work Australia to his advantage and caused the bargaining period between the company and the TWU, ALAEA, AIPA to be terminated. That didn't seem too Union friendly.

[QUOTE]The Liberal government want to squash the unions.

This quote seems to be the mantra of the ALP and Union Leaders.

The Health Services Union "snouts in trough" affair seems does not seem to be doing much for the positive attraction of Unions, aside from the fact that only 14% of private sector worker (in 2010) were members of a trade union anyway. Total membership from the previous year dropped from 20% to 18% of the total workforce.

In your "Seniority" post you seem rather unhappy with your very own union, so all things considered it would seem that the unions are quite able to self implode without outside assistance.

Having said that, I am a paid up union member, but only stating it as it is.

[megle2]

18 posts so far
2 for
16 against
About equals our recent Qld election result

Everyone I speak to can't wait to repeat the task at the next fed election

[Towering Q]

tony will look after us all.

Now that, right there, IS funny!!!:ok:

[Sarcs]

18 posts so far
2 for
16 against
About equals our recent Qld election result



All in just over an hour and a half, LHLisa if nothing else you've certainly woken everyone up!:ok:

[Worrals in the wilds]

The Liberal government do support Big Business. And the ALP have done so much for workers recently. :rolleyes:
Remember the Qantas dispute when the government sided with Clifford and Co? With friends like that, who needs enemies. :ooh:

I understand it is very fashionable to criticise our female PMThat's because she and her government are blatantly incompetent. I don't care if the PM is male, female, transsexual or none of the above. It's not relevant. I do care when the PM lies about policy prior to an election and makes it obvious she will to deals with every crazy lunatic in the house to cling onto power.

[Jabawocky]

Fonz... thanks :ok:

If I was writing a letter to her, Ms Julia Gillard, but here having a rant and rave, it reminds us all that Julia the Liar is .....well....that!

[Jabawocky]

What we REALLY need is to get rid of Malcolm Turnbull, out of the party that is, replace Tony with Joe Hockey, and knuckle down to about a 5 year rebuilding process.

Problem is as much as I hate selling off airports and the like to fix the debts Labor creates, with less things to sell off these days it will be a much harder road.

If Labor policy could actually work in the real world, and in your own household, most households would do it. Problem is those that do end up in debt and a bank selling them up.

Is there not a simple lesson here? :ugh:

Its been said before, Socialism is a wonderful thing, until you run out of other peoples money!

[Roger Greendeck]

LHLisa,

LHLisa, has someone hacked your account? Your seniority post seemed well thought out and this post just seems to be written to discredit you.

Whilst this Government has been good at protecting the rights of the indefensible (Craig Thomson et al) it has been very poor at protecting the rights of those who deserve and need defending. FWA and it's associated act have done nothing to defend the rights at work of ordinary Australians that could not have been done under the previous acts and the Qantas debacle shows that the current situation is very bad for those of us earning a living in aviation. The Labor party does not have a good track record when it comes to aviation disputes and I will not support them when they perform badly just because they say they are the workers friend.

By their deeds you shall know them.

[RIVER1]

juliar is not the only problem it is the whole incompetent party.How many of them has ever owned a business? They are simply a mob of union hugging carreerists who only care about their own advancement who care nought about the money they are wasting.After starting out as a mechanic and then spending 30yrs up the sharp end in aviation we were able to move into business and recently learnt just how dangerous fair work can be for an employer.It basically provides the employee with legal services and no risk to them we had one do a few weeks work when it all started looking strange and we found out too late that they had just had 2 years off with the old sore back then a settlement from a previous employer.Although the insurance company said it was rubbish they paid out $30,000 for a few weeks marginal work because it was cheaper than fighting fair work in the courts.When you look at the industrial trouble spreading across the country from QLD coalfields to NW WA after fair work was introduced it becomes clear to me that work choices was actually much more productive and thats what is why fair work will eventually come back to bite the very people it was intended to help.Now when we have built a business and we can finally put substantial money into our super that too has been reduced to ridiculously small amounts.I live in hope that I am one of a silent majority waiting in the wings with a baseball bat for the next election.

[Worrals in the wilds]

and there is no FWA and a new version of Work Choices is introduced?
You're assuming that will happen. Of course that's what Labor want you to assume, because it's literally about the only bullet they've got left in their gun (that and 'vote for Labor cos your Dad did':zzz:).
If the Libs do that, they will demonstrate very short memories and an outstanding lack of common senese. For that they will probably get voted back to the stone age at the following election, just as they did last time they tried this little caper. :E

[Deepsea Racing Prawn]

D&G Ppruners, on the whole, are an intelligent bunch...who I doubt would spend much time listening to the likes of Alan Jones.

But, is there a chance that maybe, just maybe, some have their political views influenced by the openly right-wing biassed Murdoch Press?

Just a thought.

[Fonz121]

What we REALLY need is to get rid of Malcolm Turnbull, out of the party that is, replace Tony with Joe Hockey, and knuckle down to about a 5 year rebuilding process.

Having met and spent a good 30 mins one on one time with Malcolm a few years ago I can say that he is one of the most genuine people I have ever met. It's a real shame the right wingers got rid of him in favor of a religious nutter who's policy's (once in power) will no doubt quickly change to reflect those of the far right. Abbott is doing a great job of masking his extremism at the moment.

And if you're going to base your dislike of a politician on the fact that they have lied then you are both a hypocrite (the never ever GST?) and a fool. Pollies lie.

[Keg]

...has the intelligence of an Alan Jones listener.

I just love the intellectual superiority that comes from statements like this. That people who listen to people like Alan Jones and Ray Hadley are somehow less worthy than those that listen to Jon Faine, David Marr, et al.

[whatever6719]

Sounds like it to me!
That, plus the fact that everyone conveniently forgets the GFC actually happened which necessitated the government going into debt to keeo the place humming along...

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Worrals in the wilds]

And if you're going to base your dislike of a politician on the fact that they have lied then you are both a hypocrite (the never ever GST?) and a fool. Pollies lie.
The never ever GST was taken to an election. The never ever Carbon Tax wasn't. FWIW I don't like either side of the the current crop of pollies, but thanks for the compliments. Insulting people always leads to an informative debate.

[Fonz121]

That people who listen to people like Alan Jones and Ray Hadley are somehow less worthy than those that listen to Jon Faine, David Marr, et al.

I didn't say less worthy. I inferred they weren't the most intelligent bunch going around.

[pull-up-terrain]

Im not even joking here but i think Bob Katters Australia Party would be good for the country. Doesnt support the Carbon Tax and supports Unions win win i think.

And Bob Katter has actually had some "Life Experience". He aint a Gillard or an Abbott who has grown up with rich parents who, gone to private school with all the rich kids then gone to uni and then into politics. At least Katter has worked alongside everyday Australians and kind of realises how the average Australian lives.

I have to admit Bob Katter is a bit of a douche but i think his party would be a lot better than Labour and the Liberals.

[rocket66]

Q: What does Julia Gillard and a KFC Snackbox have in common??

A: BOTH come with two small breasts, two large thighs, and a big red box!


Rocket:ok:

[F.Nose]

There have been numerous studies over the years into the mentality of Rightwingers, identifying their salient characteristics, such as egotism, relative lack of empathy and compassion, paranoia, the drive to control others and their indifference to the fate of others, ready recourse to violence to get their way and their insatiable greed. The psychology, in short, of the psychopath.

Of course these characteristics follow a continuum, with the more florid specimens at the end of outright fascism and brutal authoritarianism, right back down to those with many fine features who identify as 'Rightwing' out of allegiance to family or some other group in which they were socialised. It is, however, indisputable that they Right dominates the planet, has done so throughout recorded history, and they are becoming more extreme by the day.

As each new Rightwing regime here, or in the UK, or the other Anglosphere countries and throughout the EU, reveals itself (after lying assiduously in order to get elected) to be fanatically Rightwing, launching ever more vicious attacks on working people, privatising everything that can be privatised, deliberately increasing inequality and poverty, driving down wages and stripping away conditions, one target gets special attention. And that is environmentalism, the Right's pet hate for decades. Environmental legislation is being wound back decades, with advances made by Communist 'water-melons' like Richard Nixon and Rupert Hamer gutted, and the science of anthropogenic climate destabilisation, in particular, treated with utter animosity. 

The reason why is plain. The neoplastic system of capitalism, created by the Right over centuries, and which promotes their type to the detriment of the rest of humanity, is antithetical to the idea of environmental stability and sustainability. Capitalism must grow, like a cancer, or die. In the process it will, like the cancer, kill its host, humanity. So as long as the Right and their operating system, capitalism, prevail, human destruction is certain. Unless we remove the Rightwing authoritarian personality type from its position of absolute global dominance, and replace capitalism with a system that ensures human survival, we will disappear in a cataclysm of rapid climate destabilisation, and the consequent famines, epidemics and wars, certain to end up nuclear. It's really a simple choice-Them or Us, the Right or humanity.

[rocket66]

Big red box........get it??? Big red box........

[Chocks Away]

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100...

If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7..
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do..

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20". Drinks for the ten men would now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men ? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% saving).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% saving).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% saving).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% saving).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% saving).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,"but he got $10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back, when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible...

:ok:
WHY and how can you trust running a country to people who have never worked a day in their lives? Not one in the "Wicked Witch from Werribee"'s team has ever run their own business or worked in private enterprise... they have all been living off our taxes either through rising through the ranks of local/regional councils, the unions or state politics. This current mob simply do not know about money or it's creation! If they want more they tax more... that is their answer. :ugh:
As opposed to a Rhodes Scholar very connected and involved at grass roots level in multiple communities (Triathlons & road cycling/SLSA...), backed by a multitude of successful business minded colleagues...

Sad to see Australia flailing at the helm in it most successful years! :(

[pull-up-terrain]

Julia Gillard's Carbon Tax Promise - YouTube

[Normasars]

Chocks Away,

Without doubt, the best post that I have EVER read on PPRuNe. Period.:ok:

[Deepsea Racing Prawn]

Sad to see Australia flailing at the helm in it most successful years!

Therein lies the irony. By your own admission, Australia is enjoying its most successful years. The Howard Govt has been off the scene for 5 years now, so they shouldn't be receiving all the credit. Who else could be responsible for our current situation? Surely not the 'incompetent' Labor govt.

If this is the level of criticism our current Govt attracts, it's hard to imagine what it would be like if we had an economy, unemployment and living conditions similar to other developed countries, who are doing it tough.:hmm:

[pcx]

I think our economy is in spite of, not because of our current government.

[Chocks Away]

...and you think Labor steered it into success Prawn? :hmm:
The country has been rudderless, ever since "Cardboard Kev" and his thought bubbles came into office!
Howard... no effect -5 years ago, you say? Obviously not a full grip on economics there Prawn. It takes quite awhile for changes to take effect (& full effect!). We are still seeing the effects of Keating's changes (money markets etc) and Howard's structural changes from the 10 years he also had to implement changes.
This current "default" Govt has not done one thing, apart from say sorry. Insulation was a failure/scam; laptops for children became set-top TV boxes for elderly... I won't go on with these.

By "most successful years" I was eluding to the fact that Australia was 1 of just 3 countries (Sth Korea & China), that didn't record negative growth over the GFC ie did not go backwards. This largely due to the fact that Howard/Libs made Business investment attractive (by lowering red-tape & taxes-Biz & Personal) and Keating floating the dollar earlier made it a more attractive venture to start with. (I'm trying to source recent Business Interviews viewed on Australia Network, lambasting the wasted opportunity presented currently)

Now Athony Albanese - Labor Minister for Transport... what an oxygen thief! :ugh: Vote labor & you get him. Now he is NO good for Aviation!:yuk:

[rh200]

Who else could be responsible for our current situation?

who else, China

[blacksmoke]

Well said Chocks away !!!

Great last couple of posts...

[Chocks Away]

Bingo!

Click "Lucky Country"
(http://australianetwork.com/newsline/archives.htm#videoplayer)

[Towering Q]

Crikey...this is still going!

Somebody go and check on TailWheel...I'm concerned for his welfare.:uhoh:

[Sarcs]

Yeah well done Chocky, along with Slippery Pete and aroa on here: http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting-points/402856-casa-chess-game-8.html .......you guys have got it sussed!:D

Personally the government and several of its agencies are an embarassment:{...the Bunyip sums it up nicely! http://bunyipitude.********.com.au/2012/04/lessons-in-garden.html ;) Cheers and enjoy what's left of Easter!:ok:

[Chocks Away]

Get envolved, for crying out loud!
If you want something, do something... tell your local member (Fed or State) and don't just sit by, hands out waiting for the dream to arrive!

"There are those that make things happen;
those that watch things happen;
and those that wonder what happened... which one are you? "

[tail wheel]

Somebody go and check on TailWheel...I'm concerned for his welfare.

I spend the day outside and come into this political wind up!

How do I know it is a wind up? Because no one I know has owned up to voting Labor for at least the past year. Well, no one in this State.......... :E

You want a Political Thread, go start one in Jetblast. I believe the JB Mods love Aussie Political Threads!!! :}

[Shed Dog Tosser]

I am a swing voter.

Labor did not win the 2007 election, the liberals lost it, there is a very big difference. Work Choices / AWA's were an abortion.

The public execution of Kevin Rudd was disgraceful, the carbon tax is a cash grab and will probably lose the election for Labor.

Many of you seem to be regurgitation media hype as if it was your own idea, get a grip.

The public stated clearly that they want a centre of left government, this is what we have been given. there has to be balance.

So what if Julia is kicked out, which I believe she probably will be, who is going to replace her as PM,,,,,,,,, that thought scares the scheiser out of me.

I will be voting Labor, I wish the carbon tax would die the death it needs to, but the other party option will cause the Australian worker to lose many many rights, just remember AWA's MK 2 ?.

To those that think our economy should be flourishing, well compared to pretty much every single other nation, it is !!!!. We are by far, the tallest pigmy in the global village.