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peterh337
29th Mar 2012, 09:53
Here (http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadbasic/pamslight-9712D7A71DE3E6D17935B90960BDACEB/7FE5QZZF3FXUS/EN/AIC/Y/023-2012/EG_Circ_2012_Y_023_en_2012-03-22.pdf).

Or here (http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/public/index.php%3Foption=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=160&Itemid=57.html), 2nd document down.

If this is what it looks like, some parts of UK airspace will be inaccessible to about 99% of IFR GA (including light jets) because they will need aircraft and crew PRNAV (this is PRNAV, not BRNAV) certification.

beerdrinker
29th Mar 2012, 10:43
It is not hard to get PRNAV approval for a N registered aircraft. I got it for me and my TwinCom last year following the instructions (slightly amended) in the RNAV Manual produced by Vasa Babic for PPL/IR Europe.

BD

Denti
29th Mar 2012, 11:04
According to garmin the GTN series is EASA approved for PRNAV right out of the box and installation is just a minor mod. G1000 installations in light jets either are already PRNAV/RVSM approved right form the OEM or can be for not much hassle.

peterh337
30th Mar 2012, 06:57
Pretty significant cost though.

The upgrade starts at 5 figures for the simplest practical case in a bizjet - unless it is certification (paper) only.

Empty Cruise
30th Mar 2012, 13:27
Hardly "banning" them, is it? Sure, for some itbwould not be worth the cost, but that is a personal/corporate decision.

If we need tobsqueeze in more and more aircraft in the same piece of sky, RNP will increase, no doubt about it. Remember when they wanted us all to have these new-fangled "transponders" on board and how that would kill off GA...

If you are being priced out of operation, then I'm truly sorry to hear that, but we all know what direction the market is heading. If your budget says Global6000, you have a lot more room to soak up these things than if your budget says light twin. Sad, but true.

500 above
31st Mar 2012, 06:55
PRNAV - to keep people in TB20's out of our ways. :)

Cobalt
31st Mar 2012, 13:38
The cost of equipment isn't the problem - any reasonably modern GPS in a light aircraft can do RNAV-0.3. The medium-aged business jet and TP fleet will be much more expensive to update...

The issue is operator approval. All the EASA regs are around AOC-type operations, with ops manuals, route manuals, SOPs etc., and the process and cost to obtain operator approval for RNP could be prohibitive for a private operator.

For the FAA, a private pilot/operator can self-study and send a simple letter to the FAA, and will get a letter of approval. Similar for a corporate operator under FAR 91. In EASA-Land, I rather suspect that it wil require either ATPL theory passed or an extra course (remember the high-performance aircraft nonsense?), and high charges by the authority for that letter

And we are talking about RNAV-1.0 for en-route and terminal, something which is very simple, not RNP approaches, which are a completely different kettle of fish.

merlinxx
31st Mar 2012, 17:39
Thank you, for those who can't get a handle, ctc BGAA or you're local rep.