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nomorecatering
18th Mar 2012, 02:06
Composites, carbon fibre, etc are taking all the attention these days.

So what about traditional aluminium alloys. has the road stopped of development stopped. Boeing apparently is considering a new Aluminium/Lithium alloy for the 777x thats stronger yet lighter than the traditional aluminium.

So whats in the future.

TURIN
18th Mar 2012, 11:08
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17014808

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Lyman
18th Mar 2012, 22:46
nomorecatering

I don't believe metals are done. I have a tentative faith in composites, but aluminium has a history, a long one. I've used resin/matrix in myriad ways for 40 years, and am a believer. I think it's a draw for now, only to change with new obstacles to energy, design, and manufacturing process that could hobble plastics.

The only potential fatal flaw in wide use would be maintenance, diagnostics, and service life, also toxic products in fire. Engineering is ahead of the data base for now. What do you think?

rgds.

Volume
19th Mar 2012, 10:05
Aluminium alloys are not yet history. There is still some potential in this materials. If it would be possible to combine the strength of some peak aged 7000 series alloys with the fatigue/crack growth properties of some 2000 series, the corrosion resistance of some 5000 and the weldability of some 6000 series alloys, then we we would not talk composites anymore. The effect of specific alloying elements and their combination has already in the past allowed to creaty totally new and superior alloys, there are probably still some more "miracles" around, which have just not been discovered by now. There a plenty of rare metals which have never been tried as alloying elements. The latest promising development are the Aluminium Scandium alloys.
Additionally production methods have still lots of potential. One aluminium manufacturer (pechiny if I am not wrong) has developed selective heat treatment methods using laser technology. This allows for example to produce a rear spar which upper flange is heat treated to maximum strength and the lower flange heat treated to maximum fatigue and corrosion resistance. It may as well be possible to cast billets which have different concentrations of alloying elements in different areas. Or just like we introduce additional semi-conducting material into silicon waffers during chip production, we may be able to locally introduce additional alloying elements into a part by means of diffusion. Or we may produce "laminated" aluminium, just like the famous samurai swords are forged from layers of different types of steel (soft ones, to make it flexible and hard ones to make it cut through anything)
If you look at the fuselage of the piaggio Avanti, you hardly believe that it is produced from aluminium. There is still a long way to go from riveted sheet metal to the optimum you can get from light alloys.

Lyman
19th Mar 2012, 15:29
Interesting use of aluminium in a new sub orbital vehicle. The rocket's nozzle is made of Aluminium.

XCOR Lynx 5k 18 engine. XCOR.com