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His dudeness
23rd Jan 2012, 10:10
Hello,
got to fly UAAA-VIDP-VGHS-WIII or WIHH,-VCBI-FSIA-HTDA or WIII-VRMM-HTDA in a few weeks.
Any info is welcome. Have not been in that part of the world yet.
thx
h_d
VIKING9
23rd Jan 2012, 10:25
Nothing out of the ordinary except FSIA will no doubt tell you to bring a tow bar. They only have bars for B737, B747, B757, B767, B777 and A330, A319.
Landing permits easy at all locations and again, with FSIA, they will want you to transmit the permit number by HF prior to entering their FIR. Your ops should give you the HF frequency.
Usual health precautions apply for these destinations.
CaptainProp
23rd Jan 2012, 10:48
HD you have PM.
Your ops should give you the HF frequency.
Or you use your charts to find frequency! :ok: :}
CP
Klimax
23rd Jan 2012, 11:45
Awesome.. Used to fly to most of those aerodromes, but unfortunately forgot most of the relevant stuff.. Sorry. Just wishing you a great trip into the wilderness. Enjoy.:ok:
hawker750
23rd Jan 2012, 12:04
Hi
Great trip out east. What in?
Only recomendation I can give is go to WIHH Jakarta Halim not WIII. Close to town and geared up for GA. also stay in the Le Meridien Hotel and give all the lovely staff there my best wishes. (was there for 5 weeks during Sunami relief)
Take load of $$ cash
If your shiney new aircraft breaks down give me a call for an old Hawker:D
international hog driver
23rd Jan 2012, 12:16
VRMM stay at Bandos, book it via the agent as in a few weeks it will still be high season.
INNflight
24th Jan 2012, 09:17
Get the Indian permit(s) well in advance for your schedule and advise your pax that last-minute changes (last-min I mean anything within 3-5 business days before the flight) may or may not be possible with the Indian DGCA.
Depending on who you use for the permits the time getting and / or revising them can vary considerably.
A good estimate is 5 business days for Indian landing permits and 3 for overflight - don't count on it though.... bureaucracy deluxe!!!!
Have a safe trip!
His dudeness
24th Jan 2012, 11:38
Thanks for the input so far guys.
Keep it coming.
h_d
EMB170
25th Jan 2012, 00:41
VIDP at time of year, watch out for FOG, it gets really bad.
Bandos is good
have a nice time
His dudeness
2nd Feb 2012, 18:42
I was just told by a travel agency lady that we require crew visa for a 4 hrs gnd stay in VIDP (where we would not leave the airplane if not required to)
Can anyone confirm this? Sounds....silly?
CaptainProp
2nd Feb 2012, 21:55
Its India, of course its silly. Yes, you need visa.
Slight drift...... does anyone know if the Indian HF operators are actual controllers or "radio operators"? Either way i would love to know why they want aircraft to make position report calls each 10 minutes! (Calls actually at reporting points, but works out to be 10 mins or so apart).
Used VCBI earlier in the week, nice area, good ATC, easy approach, excellent ground services, less than 30 mins for each turn around, and the passengers didnt have to get off to clear immigration. (Unlike the UK). From there to Indonesia was about 4 hours with excellent ATC along the way, even if some of it was HF. Indonesia itself, or at least the airport we landed in, was a pain, took about 90 minutes to stamp crew passports. But we were told that WIII was much better, or even Halim.
Mutt
HD,
In case you are not getting off the aircraft and just transiting, No Visa required. In case of a night halt the crew (of most nationalities) can be provided a 72 hrs visa at the airport.
Lurcherman
3rd Feb 2012, 08:23
Not all airports will provide transit visas. Ahmadabad, Calcutta, New Delhi, hydrabad and Bangalore I understand will. Others such as Nagpur will not.Still struggling with Embassy for our transit visa. Clearance from DGCA required to accompany application!
Yes Lurcherman,
The post was for Delhi. Any airports in Maharashtra namely Mumbai, Nagpur, Pune do not. All other airports accross the country do it.
His dudeness
3rd Feb 2012, 08:54
@ all : thanks.
We will land, refuel, pay and get off hopefully within 0345hrs.
So we try our luck without visa and if they are required we´ll try to get them there.
Life could be so easy....:ugh:
CaptainProp
3rd Feb 2012, 10:00
Not all airports will provide transit visas.
As far as I know, this is not possible and anyway not advisable to count on! In my experience, and that of my previous operator (that regularly operate in and out of India), you never go to India without a valid visa. Ever.
You get info from someone that this or that is ok, then you get there "No no this is not possible. Now you have to pay USD 10K and and and and...."
From Indian Gov. visa website (http://indianvisaonline.gov.in/visa/):
All foreign nationals entering India are required to possess a valid international travel document in the form of a national passport with a valid visa obtained from an Indian Mission or Post abroad. The Indian visa is issued under Government of India’s Foreigners Act.
Remember, its your responsibility, you are the one who will stand there on the day telling clients and company "Sorry, we are stuck because I did not have the required visa".
CaptainProp
3rd Feb 2012, 10:09
Just read avind's post. Could be that he/she is correct.
If I was in your shoes HD I would make sure I find some sort of official document proving this statement before I leave without a visa. If you are not sure how/where to get the visa and how long it will take I would get in touch with a visa agency.
Here are two...
VALS (http://www.leparisdunet.fr/contact/ambassade/Visa-Assistance-Legalisation-Services-%28V.A.L.S%29.html)
http://GlobalVisas/ (http://www.globalvisas.com/)
His dudeness
3rd Feb 2012, 11:45
Well, I´d try to get the visa, BUT, apparently they require the Indian CAA permit before they issue one. Now that one is on request, however the Indian CAA is apparently not the quickest around. So, as the date lurches closer and closer I find myself in a Catch 22.
Thanks for the heads up every one, I will try to get the visa for us...
Lurcherman
3rd Feb 2012, 12:52
The Embassy had my (2nd) passport for a month before returning it with no visa.
"Referring my application to appropriate authority"
Embassy then asked for DGCA clearance.
Sent it last week but have had no acknowledgement that they have received it nor whether they are dealing with it.
Going through Ahmadabad and getting temporary landing permit worked last time but allow 3hrs plus delay and $1200.
If anyone knows how to speed up the process please let me know.
HD / CP,
we are handling flights regularly at various indian airports and information provided is accurate.
Below link may help.
Bureau of Immigration (http://immigrationindia.nic.in/Instr_TLP_TLF2.htm)
BRGDS//
His dudeness
3rd Feb 2012, 13:12
avind, thanks a lot again.
Got an email by our handler that he can arrange the crew visa for us, so if the permit does not come in time to get the indian visa through the embassy here we should be okay.
His dudeness
4th Mar 2012, 04:58
Just wanted to greet everyone from the Bandos Island resort :ok:
Water is great, wx awesome, foods fine and a lot young russian ladies around, so the married eye is fully serviced :-)
VIDP worked out very well, no visa were required as avind said, VGHS worked absolutely great,(no one wanting to look at our Visas, 72 without apparently no issue). I have to say the handler was top notch, same is true for WIHH, in and out just with lightspeed (thanks for the hint, Hawker) and VRMM is a real treat.
If someone is going to VGHS the first time he might get caught on finals by surprise: "there is a VIP departing, A/P is closed for arrivals without an EAT." We just slipped in before that, a 747 behind us wasn´t so lucky, they spent like 30 minutes in the hold. So take some extra fuel with you (we were loaded to the gills, fortunately we did not need it)
Tomorrow morning the dream is over and we are off to Africa...Tanzania beware, I´m coming! :ok:
The dude...