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Algy
20th Dec 2011, 08:12
Last of the B-52 design team passes away. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/us/holden-withington-last-living-b-52-designer-dies-at-94.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&ref=obituaries&adxnnlx=1324325234-KNJfmw8rL6GKQA5Kl+FVvA)

My question is: why was the B-52 high-wing?

Fitter2
20th Dec 2011, 08:18
Not being part of the design team, I can merely hazard a guess.

The low-drag high aspect ratio wing was part of the performance envelope optimisation, but gave substantial wing flexing from the no-lift full fuel state to the max all-up weight flight condition. This needed wing-tip auxiliary undercarriage wheels to keep the tips from dragging on the ground; these would have needed to be much stronger for wings that were intially 20ft closer to the ground. They would also of course have relieved wing-root bending to some extent; so optimisation is an interesting exercise.

mtoroshanga
20th Dec 2011, 08:32
To give a bigger bomb bay??:confused:

FCS Explorer
20th Dec 2011, 09:13
maybe to lower the FOD risk to the engines

oceancrosser
20th Dec 2011, 10:19
They say the mother of the last B-52 pilot is not born yet.

I have a question, according to Flight International, USAF is still operating 77 B-52. Are engines for them still being built, or are they overhauling old engines to keep the fleet running?

What happened to the programme to re-engine them (CFM56 as I recall)?

The youngest B-52 will turn 50 in 2012...

dixi188
20th Dec 2011, 12:21
I read an article a few years ago that stated that there are enough spare engines to see the B52 through to about 2045 and a re-engine program would not be cost effective.

So 80+ year old bombers.

Also there are many engine types in service that have been out of production for years. You just keep overhauling them. The spare parts will still be made as long as there is a demand for them.

Mind you some of these engines could be like "Trigger's broom". Apart from 3 new heads and two new handles...........................

Green Guard
20th Dec 2011, 16:32
My question is: why was the B-52 high-wing?

what is wrong with that ? Looks too much CCCP designed aircraft ?

PS
Does any bird in the world sport "low wing" design ?:ugh:

Algy
20th Dec 2011, 16:39
No, no bird is low wing. But no aircraft have muscles!

zondaracer
20th Dec 2011, 17:01
I didnt design the buff but it seems that a high wing design reduces complexity where bomb bay and the wing box would interfere. Just a WAG

dixi188
20th Dec 2011, 21:51
Why high wing?

Because the B47 had a high wing and the B52 was scaled up.

So I suppose the question is why the B47?

As others have said, to get the biggest bomb bay.

punkalouver
21st Dec 2011, 00:39
Why are the elevators and rudder so small(chord)?

Chu Chu
21st Dec 2011, 00:41
Just looking at the profile, a low wing would have required higher gear to keep the engines off the ground. But I don't know if that would have been a major design consideration.

Checkboard
21st Dec 2011, 10:30
Setting the wing high, and keeping the body low also means that the aircraft can be serviced from the ground without extra equipment - stairs for the crew, and high loading scissor lifts for the load.

That's an important consideration for a battlefield aircraft which may have to operate from a remote base.

4015
21st Dec 2011, 11:01
Just to add another one-

The wings are very long and droop somewhat, hence the outriggers.

A low wing would not be able to droop as much, meaning more strength = more weight = less payload etc etc

Also, due to the wing length, even applying outriggers on a low wing would make the a/c very ungainly and difficult to land in crosswinds without losing engines etc.

These are secondary considerations, although all things would have been considered to end up with the best compromise of a design.

4015

flyboyike
22nd Dec 2011, 02:29
The remark about the mother of the last B-52 pilot not being born yet reminded me of a rumor I recently heard. It's been reported that there are guys at Delta who are not only flying their fathers' ex-Northwest DC-9s, but also doing their fathers' ex-Northwest flight attendants.

911slf
22nd Dec 2011, 12:12
N'est ce pas? Aircraft too difficult to handle at high speed on ground with narrow track main undercarriage - as with the Harrier?

Actually reason given also seems good, but even if tip droop (I sometimes suffer from this :() is a factor, controllability seems likely to be another.

4015
22nd Dec 2011, 12:28
911slf-

Yes, you're quite right. The outriggers are also for ground stability, if they had utilised a wing based main undercarriage then the outriggers would probably not be needed, but again the wings would need to be stiffer in order to hold the weight when on the ground without the fuselage scraping the ground, thicker in order to house the stowed u/c, etc etc.

As with most things in engineering, a solution is very very rarely the result of a single factor, it will always be the best compromise between all of the variables as you have elegantly pointed out :)

Graybeard
22nd Dec 2011, 16:27
Definition:

"Aircraft: Thousands of compromises flying in close formation."

JammedStab
16th Dec 2016, 00:48
Found an interesting quote about a B52 which I didn't want to disappear in time so I thought that I would post it here,

"This also reminds me of the issue with the B-52G. When going around and applying maximum thrust, fuel moved in the tanks displacing the CG aft of the aerodynamic center, making the aircraft statically unstable. Two B-52s and crews were lost. The solution adopted was a simple detent in the throttle quadrant which discouraged rapid thrust build-ups."

tartare
16th Dec 2016, 01:20
So the main spar doesn't go through the middle of the bomb bay.
Simples.

Concours77
16th Dec 2016, 15:24
Interesting discussion. My two pence?

It was the most important design consideration. The AF has always (post WW2) demanded high wing heavies. Exceptions? Convair B-58, B-2, B-1, etc. not especially useful or long lived designs. Another wildly successful design? T-38.