Pilatus Charter

[DJM2008]

I am after chartering a Pilatus for a trip Cambridge (or Stansted) into the altiport at Courchevel France and can't seem to find any operators chartering a Pilatus in the UK. Does anyone have any ideas or indeed know an owner that might be prepared to do it on a private shared cost basis.

Any ideas would be most gratefully recieved.

Cheers

[cldrvr]

Let me rephrase that question for you.

I am fully aware that you can't fly IMC commercially on a single in the UK, but I know that it is going to be severe clear both ways this time of year so I want to take my chance to charter a single engine, does anyone know of an operator who shares this wonderful luck with me?

Alternatively as it may prove difficult to find a likeminded operator who shares my unbelievable luck when it comes to weather, could anyone point me in the direction of an owner who is willing to risk his toy on an illegal charter to the Alps, with my luck we won't get caught, guaranteed.

There must be some rich spoiled owner who is desperate to let me use his 3 million dollar toy for a few hundred pounds.

Thank you all so much for you cooperation.

[Miles Magister]

DJM2008

Mate, what you have asked for is illegal and could land both you and anyone who flies you in serious trouble. The penalty for breaking the Uk Air Navigation Order is up to 18 months in prison.

I think you probably asked this question naively but if you would like some sound advice please feel free to PM me. I no longer operate myself but can at least offer advice to keep you on the right lines if you are interested.

Regards

MM

[mrmum]

Personally I think I'd rather do that trip myself in a nice new PC12NG, pressurised with a PT6 chugging away up front, as opposed to a 40 year old Seneca or Aztec. However, that's not the way the CAA see it and it's not legal. :(
Why not just go to G-INFO on the CAA website and search for PC-12s, get the registered owners details, then work you way down the list, asking them if they want to do a dodgy charter.
Alternatively, get in touch with the distributor at Bournemouth, express an interest in buying an aircraft and get a demonstration flight to Courcheval. :E

[avionimc]

Miles: what you have asked for is illegal

If so, then it is time to change the rules!

[Booglebox]

I reckon the original poster is a CAA honeypot who will investigate all the operators that people have recommended to him via PM, but I'm cynical and paranoid...

[Trim Stab]

There are PC12 charter operators in Europe - and they are legal, with a dispensation from their authority.

Lions Air in Zurich is one:
Pilatus PC 12 (http://www.lionsair.ch/joomla/en/fleet/pilatus-pc-12)

Air Sarina at Saanen is another:
Flugplatz Saanen, Air-Sarina, Berner Oberland - Willkommen (http://www.air-sarina.ch/)

I believe there is another in Luxembourg.

I too would rather fly into a mountain airport in a PC12 than a ropey old twin.

However, to land at Courchevel, the pilots would need either a French mountain-rating (Swiss not acceptable) or a Courchevel dispensation, which might be more difficult than finding an operator.

Also, you wouldn't be able to fly directly from UK to Courchevel anyway, because UK is no longer part of Schengen and Courchevel does not have customs clearance.

A solution might be to take a charter jet to somewhere like Cannes, clear customs, and then take a heli-transfer up to Courchevel.

[WTON]

Hello,

Try this another one: JETFLY - Private Air Travel System Fractional Aircraft Ownership - Flight Hours Card Propriété partagé d'avion - Carte d'heures de vol (http://www.jetfly.com/englishindex.html)

Rgds

[DJM2008]

For those of you who posted helpful replies - thank you very much, that's appreciated.

I have chartered a light jet into Chambery and then jumped a heli transfer to the altiport, but by the time you faff about it undoubtedly takes longer than a direct flight into the altiport - every time I am there there are always some TBM's and Pilatus on the mountain which is why I asked the question.

I now understand that the CAA doesn't allow single engine IFR charters, but it may be possible to charter from another country that doesn't have the same restriction - a grey area rather than black and white.

For those like cldrvr - I always operate on the basis that there is no such thing as a stupid question, only a stupid answer. I figure that forums like this are a community that thrives on mutual support and people like cldvr only diminish communities - shame on you.

Thanks again for the helpful replies.

[172510]

"I now understand that the CAA doesn't allow single engine IFR ."
Single engine IFR is ok, single engine IMC is forbidden.
It's a European regulation that forbids it, the EU OPS1.

[CEQforever]

Has there been any develpment regarding SE IMC commercial flying since the last post in this thread? As I was surprised to see commercial charters on PC12s being available here:

http://fly7.ch/fleet/pilatus/

[gordon field]

EASA have issued NPA 2014-18 that covers CAT SET IMC with comments required by 17th October 2014.