Scoot -40%

[Jabawocky]

Budget airline to fly Sydney-Singapore (http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbusiness/aap/8383092/budget-airline-to-fly-sydney-singapore)

Surely not.........Is it any wonder airlines struggle to make money :rolleyes:

Or is this the SQ sticking up the QF/JQ :hmm:

[goodonyamate]

In about 12 months the little irishman will be in the news stating how international competition has forced the replacement of QF SYD-SIN services with JQ........

QF/JQ are stuffed once this gets going

[Chocks Away]

Or is this the SQ sticking up the QF/JQ?

Sure is. Air AsiaX, et all also.

Just reclaiming lost territory (http://www.centreforaviation.com/analysis/sias-long-haul-low-cost-subsidiary-strategy-to-restore-growth-after-a-lost-decade-52150), in their home hub, it seems.

[Conductor]

Who'd have thought? Singair sticking it to Qantas/Jetstar. :rolleyes: Not to worry though, they're using those ill suited 777s so I guess they'll be broke soon.

[ohallen]

Little doubt this is retribution for the Rat having the nerve to try and set up their playpen in Singapore/KL.

Why wouldn't Scoot succeed having serious metal, a nasty competitor who spends most of its time trying to beat the rules and a tired competitor who has slashed its own throat and alienated its once loyal customers while overpricing its product.

Can anyone see a pincer movement coming here with Scoot and DJ/SIA strategy being rolled out?

[Andu]

777s? Those silly, silly Singaporeans... Don't they know they're not suitable for Australian conditions?

[DrPepz]

I think this is a silly idea from Scoot. If anything it proves they're independently run (too independently run) and not running to their parent for approvals.

Why SYD of all places? SQ serves it with 2x A380, 1x 773 and 1x 772. QF is removing 1x A380 from the route (And i doubt there are many SIN-SYD pax on the route, it's nearly all connecting pax?, so even though QF is removing 1x A380 from SIN-SYD, it is not the same target market that Scoot will fill)

All it looks like is Scoot will eat SQ's existing pax. But then again - SQ's regular restricted fare SIN-SYD is S$888 all up. I'm not sure that Scoot can actually match this??

Problem is with 400 seats, Scoot won't connect anywhere in the SQ network unless pax choose to self connect. SQ doesn't want Scoot anywhere near their own brand (Scoot is not meant to be a jetstar - remember that Scoot is not being set up by SQ to lower their cost base, it's being set up to regain marketshare)

Well - another thing that just popped into my mind is SQ reconfigured their A380s to all J upper deck, means they lose 2x90 Y seats a day. That's 180 Y seats a day. Well SQ's 1-2-1 J configuration is so incredibly space inefficient it's just kill their cost per ASK, but that's for another forum.

[goodonyamate]

QF is removing 1x A380 from SIN-SYD

:eek::eek::eek:

what???

[DrPepz]

Arent' QF 31/32 being canned? Or is it just being retimed such that there is no midday departure ex LHR?

[Silverado]

Arent' QF 31/32 being canned? Or is it just being retimed such that there is no midday departure ex LHR?

It's being renamed QF1/2, not sure of the timings.

[Taildragger67]

Why SYD of all places?

Because JQ are on MEL-SIN already. Here is a gap (although they might also try MEL after the rave reviews they'll doubtless get on the SYD service, but using those silly, outdated 777s might give them flexibility to try BNE or ADL etc.).

SQ serves it with 2x A380, 1x 773 and 1x 772.

So they pull the 772 off; only lose, what, 50+ premium seats?

All it looks like is Scoot will eat SQ's existing pax.

Maybe the cattle class punters, but if SQ dropped its 772 and Scoot came in, you’d probably have a net gain of cattle seats. It won't touch their premium traffic.

Problem is with 400 seats, Scoot won't connect anywhere in the SQ network unless pax choose to self connect.

No worries, WSSS is a major hub, so you’ll have connecting pax from / to 3K, Tiger, Air Asia, plus all the other regionals. 5 hours in Changi? No worries – kip in the transit hotel, have a dip in the airport pool, pass a few hours in the airport cinema, jump on the free city tour, have a quick trip to the casino… or just stay overnight! (Exactly what the SIN authorities want - you can bet there will be associated accom specials).

Well - another thing that just popped into my mind is SQ reconfigured their A380s to all J upper deck, means they lose 2x90 Y seats a day.

SQ are differentiating themselves by pushing the full-service aspects and going upmarket. It seems to be working for them. So that is your 772 J-cls seats recovered and the Scoot 777 recovers the lost Y seats.

Supposing SQ dropped a 777 to give Scoot the slot, there would be nought stopping them replacing the other 777 with a 380 to make up any lost seats.

[Metro man]

Even economy seats on SQ are usually not the cheapest on the route and are generally filled with people prepared to pay a bit more for better service. These passengers are already paying a premium so wouldn't be likely to want to downgrade to save a few $$$.

Singapore is usually a cheap place to buy tickets for flights out. Fly Scoot into SIN and you can connect with several budget airlines and many full service ones and vice versa.

A stop over can be a few hours to a few days. Five hours will get you a city tour, a couple of days will be enough for an exotic Asian beach. Changi airport varies annually from 1-3 best in the world. It's the only airport I deliberately go to early when traveling to spend more time there.

[stubby jumbo]

Here's an idea ???

Why not replicate the great thinking on the SYD-BKK route, ie.

SYD-SIN (#9,#31) on Qantas. TRANSIT Singapore for 5-6 hours (just enough time to browse the Duty Free).

Then load onto a BA kite to LHR.

GAME CHANGER .:D :ok:

Strewth with this sort of thinking.....they might offer me a gig on the QF Board

[standard]

AJ will probably try and set up a codeshare with SCOOT... that will really stick it to QF!!! (this could be his 5th pillar od incompedence)

[stubby jumbo]

Another example of the 777 -smashing the market.

Clever marketing, right kit, right time.

Check out the photo on the story :{

New Jetstar rival to fly Sydney to Singapore (http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/new-jetstar-rival-to-fly-sydney-to-singapore-20111201-1o95f.html)

[73to91]

The founding chief executive of the Singapore Airlines low-cost offshoot Scoot, Campbell Wilson, scooted into Sydney yesterday to announce Jetstar would have a similarly garishly coloured long-haul competitor flying into Australia next year.

Even worse, a competitor with an even cheesier marketing strategy than Jetstar's trademark star jump.

Sporting a canary-yellow polo shirt with the Scoot logo, Wilson told a gathering at the Museum of Contemporary Art his airline had chosen Sydney as its first long-haul destination. In what he described as ''Scootitude'' (a term which has been trademarked by the airline), Wilson was keen to emphasise ''no frills need not mean no service''. :ok:

Wilson, a Kiwi and a former Sydney resident, has worked for Singapore Airlines since the mid-1990s.

Others to attend the briefing were Sydney Airport boss Kerrie Mather and her sidekick (and former Tiger Australia boss) Shelley Roberts, NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell and Tourism Australia boss Andrew McEvoy. There was no sign of former Qantas boss and Tourism Australia chairman Geoff Dixon. :D

McEvoy told Wilson that ''with your beautiful gold outfits and gold livery, maybe Australia can add a bit of green to that, so that the green and gold can be a force to be reckoned with for years to come''. The airline on its website says it will offer a ''new travel experience. A different attitude. Scootitude.''


Read more: Local tourism boss has a golden vision (http://www.smh.com.au/business/local-tourism-boss-has-a-golden-vision-20111201-1o998.html#ixzz1fKKi5RmE)


Really like the ''no frills need not mean no service'' bit, is he having a dig at anyone or another airline perhaps?

[The The]

Scoot said it chose Sydney as its first destination because of Australians' propensity to travel, fewer regulatory barriers to flying to Australia

Read more: New Jetstar rival to fly Sydney to Singapore (http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/new-jetstar-rival-to-fly-sydney-to-singapore-20111201-1o95f.html#ixzz1fKSL77EM)


Would the last person to hold an aviation job in this country please turn out the lights before they leave!

[73to91]

I think this is worth repeating.

These predatory airlines have dumped so much capacity into the Australian market that your national airline now finds itself in distress. No airline in the developed world could endure such an attack, unless its government is prepared to similarly subsidise its operations and forgive all forms of taxation.

What Australians are witnessing is the result of unsustainable public policy.

While Qantas employees and management battle for the hearts and minds of the public, it was their own government that abandoned to these predators the thousands of Australians who benefit from employment in your aviation industry and many more at its suppliers.

If there is a silver lining for us, it is that we have been able to use Australia as a shining example of what not to do with international air policy. The government of Canada has adopted a far more principled and studied approach.

This is cold comfort for our colleagues at Qantas and the citizens of Australia. The Australian government needs a wake-up call.

Captain Paul Strachan president, Air Canada Pilots Association, Mississauga, Canada


Read more: The customers are the real losers in these wars (http://www.smh.com.au/national/letters/the-customers-are-the-real-losers-in-these-wars-20111122-1nsug.html#ixzz1fKivSoTW)

Perhaps it is really time now for the government to step in and support the Oz airlines?? If as Taildragger67 said but if SQ dropped its 772 and Scoot came in, that happened, that to me would be OK in this instance as the SQ Group would not be adding capacity but does anyone know what the aim is of the SQ Group besides giving it to the SQ Group?

[DrPepz]

SQ used to send 3x 744 to Sydney. 12F 50J 324Y. Or 36F, 150J, 972Y a day

Today they send 2x A380 (with all upper deck J) 1x 773R and 1x 772R.

That is 24 Suites+ 8 First = 32 First (Less than 3x 744)
260 J which is 110 J more or 42% more than 3x 744
1072Y or just 10% more Y seats than when they operated 3x 744

So basically, SQ has massively increased their J capacity and Y has had a marginal increase in capacity over the past 3 years.

As such SQ is hardly flooding the Sydney market with capacity. SQ is not known for dumping capacity. Their 77Ws only have 278 seats compared to EK which fits in 100 more seats. Their all J upperdeck A380s have 407 seats, less than EK's 77Ws and 100 seats fewer than EK's and QF's A380s. THeir A330s have 285 seats compared to QF's 297.

With such a low density configuration on their cabins so heavily geared towards JCL, they hardly have any Y capacity on the routes they serve using their longhaul 77W and A380 fleet. Also, as SQ replaced the 323 seater 777 with 285-seater A330s to Australia (ex SYD and MEL), they kept the JCL capacity constant, removing 13% Y capacity into PER, BNE and ADL.

Scoot is merely there for SQ to regain Y marketshare lost to all sorts of airlines in the past 5 years at the expense of that large JCL product they have.

[winglets747]

Selecting SYD was smart.
Scoot's selection today of Sydney (http://www.centreforaviation.com/profiles/airports/sydney-kingsford-smith-airport-syd) as its first destination from its Singapore (http://www.centreforaviation.com/profiles/airports/singapore-changi-airport-sin) hub is a solid move from Singapore Airlines (http://www.centreforaviation.com/profiles/airlines/singapore-airlines-sq)' new low-cost long-haul carrier. Scoot previously said it was looking to initially concentrate on Australia (http://www.centreforaviation.com/profiles/countries/australia) and China (http://www.centreforaviation.com/profiles/countries/china). There is no existing low-cost long-haul service from Singapore (http://www.centreforaviation.com/profiles/countries/singapore) to Sydney or fifth-freedom rights from Emirates (http://www.centreforaviation.com/profiles/airlines/emirates-ek), unlike at Australia's second largest city, Melbourne (http://www.centreforaviation.com/profiles/airports/melbourne-tullamarine-airport-mel).
In selecting Sydney as its first route, Scoot favours a low risk market with little competition | CAPA (http://www.centreforaviation.com/analysis/in-selecting-sydney-as-its-first-route-scoot-favours-a-low-risk-market-with-little-competition-63891)

The 777 is probably too much for Scoot, but they are inheriting them off SIA - a better deal than new A330s.

[ASY68]

And so it begins!

http://www.jetphotos.net/img/4/0/3/2/80428_1338868230_tb.jpg

[Taildragger67]

400 punters on a 772... :eek:

[Ken Borough]

These people have planned turnrounds at both Sydney and Coolie of just 70 minutes. With up to 400 punters off and then on, I can't imagine much cabin cleaning would be done during the t/round. With many punters probably bringing their own food and beverages on board, one dares not think about the state of the cabin, especially ex Australia and by the time the flights are even half-way back to Singapore. Apart from cleaning, how in hell will they get that many pax off and on in the 70 minutes? Perhaps punctuality is something unknown to those in Scoot?

[Chocks Away]

Yes, tight turn arounds Ken indeed.
Punctuality? The SQ Group have great on time performance so I don't see any probs there, so long as they don't get those drunk Aussie Yobo's usually on the Fiji package deals :}