B-200 endorsement

[piyaoberoi]

I am interested to pursue my B-200 endorsement. Please tell me what is the procedure. Simulator or in-aircraft hours?

[Aviator_Prat]

Get a NOC from the FID Section and follow that word for word.
As in for actual hours & requirements, someone with a B200 endorsement would be of more help.

Suggested Reading:
1. CAR Section 7 - Flight Crew Standards, Training and Licensing, Series G ISSUE OF LICENCE AND RATING
2. SCHEDULE II OF THE AIRCRAFT RULES 1937,AS AMENDED FROM TIME TO TIME.
Form: http://dgca.nic.in/forms/crew-d/f_air.PDF

[piyaoberoi]

thank you so much. It was very helpful. Can I pursue my training if I have not cleared the specific exam in India?

[cyrilroy21]

@piyaoberoi

Even when you apply for an NOC to fly abroad the dgca will ask you to clear the tech specific paper for the B200 ( i believe its not hard )
Since the AUW is under 5700 kg you only have to give the tech specific and no need for tech performance .

I am not quite sure if the DGCA will recognize sim hours for the B200 since its under 5700 kg
Getting the endorsement is just like getting an endorsement for other similar aircraft like the piper seneca or duchess which inlcudes atleast 10 hours on the actual aircraft .

However like aviator prat said getting the NOC is the first step . But NOC is only required if you are going abroad for training .

Religare Voyages has a training course for the B200

For more info look here

Flysims (http://www.religareflysims.com/index.asp)

You can also ask them if the DGCA will recognize sim hours for endorsement .

[Aviator_Prat]

@ cyrilroy21
Do you have to give the Indian Specific paper suppose you fly in the US and give a specific exam of sorts there?
I know guys who did that for their PA-34/BE-76 Endorsements abroad after getting their Indian S.E CPL. They didnt give any specific exam here they gave it in the US/Australia. I know for a fact that the US dosent conduct Specific written exams for ME a/c's below 5700 kgs. I was wondering what exam they give there.

[turbo_proper]

I think Aviator_prat is right if training is going to be done abroad after obtaining NOC then specific exam need not be given but candidate will have to make sure that he/she gets certificate from the training organization that candidate has been taught about technical stuff regarding the aircraft and trainee organization founds him/her satisfactory through out the training.

Regarding the SIM part if the simulator is level D and you specify it to FID section then you will get NOC accordingly otherwise they will give you NOC with flying syllabus. It also depend upon candidate to candidate as FID can ask a person to do complete training on SIM but do IR or day night check specifically on real aircraft.

[piyaoberoi]

Is Level C simulator accepted in DGCA? Level D is only available in Flight Safety and CAE

[takeoffpowerset]

contact Smart-air in Australia , they do B200 type ratings , i did mine from there , complete value for money , all the training is done on the actual aircraft. Simulator might be way to expensive and even after that you might have to do some 5 hours of flying on the a/c , so better do the complete training on the a/c directly . any info on smart-air pm me .

[Johny Boy]

Outside India - Get NOC if you are going to do B200 Flight/SIM Training.
No exams what so ever....
Cheapest way is to go abroad and get it done on Level D and
get it Endorsed on DGCA CPL.
Do as per DGCA's Basic requirement laid down on NOC and follow
it up.

From India - Write Exams on Specific and Performance.
Then Go for SIM from Religare or do actual 10 hours of flying.
Second option is better as you will feel the real aircraft and get
10 valuable flight hours.
Training in SIM's or Actual aircraft will cost you more.


Level D sim is required if you tend to do any TR.
NOC will provide you all the details.

[piyaoberoi]

thank you all for all the valuable information! much appreciate it!

[piyaoberoi]

Do I require any checks to be done in India if I pursue my training abroad?

[piyaoberoi]

Please suggest me any flight schools in US for B-200 in-aircraft training.

[Aviator_Prat]

No checks are required in India if you fly in the US, and you do the prerequisite checks there!

[piyaoberoi]

Thanks a lot!

[barberpol]

I am astounded by so many people wanting to train and retrain just to get hired. If you have a great training idea, tell it to an employer who wants you enough to do this for you. Ok so it costs money, well make a deal with the company to pay them AFTER you are hired. They already know you have no other choice.

Eventually when you gain experience and grow contacts, all these companies will do so much for you without you even needing to ask. But people, please. Be smart. Don't cheap yourselves- make the deal before you waste your loved ones money.

Have a nice day.

[Cactus225]

@ barberpol

How did you get your first aviation job huh?
It simply doesnt happen the way you said it.


@ piya,
I have been researching about these TRs for quite some time now.
B200 TR done from abroad just needs the NOC, no papers wit the DGCA.

If you have an assured job at the end of it or not.. Sim is the best.
It keeps costs down significantly, even the Sim goes for $600 an hour. plus ground school and stay and other formalities, even a B200 TR goes for $14000.

Do that in an aircraft and it goes upto $20000.

Either way, if you have a job to look forward to, paying for actual aircraft is useless.
If you dont, 10 hours in a B200 isnt going to be any help at all.

Atleast keep it cheap..


TR on a B200 is also a gamble of sorts.
Only about 2 openings every year.

And the NSOPs arent exactly a place where you can walk in with zero hours and zero connections...


Consider wisely.

Best Luck.