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Rollingthunder
10th Nov 2011, 08:25
I mean Anything.

"Sprinkling" sounds like a fairly harmless practice, but in the hands of sophisticated counterfeiters it could deceive a major weapons manufacturer and possibly endanger the lives of US troops.

It's a process of mixing authentic electronic parts with fake ones in hopes that the counterfeits will not be detected when companies test the components for multimillion-dollar missile systems, helicopters and aircraft. It was just one of the brazen steps described Tuesday at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing examining the national security and economic implications of suspect counterfeit electronics — mostly from China — inundating the US Pentagon's supply chain.

"The failure of a single electronic part can leave a soldier, sailor, airman or Marine vulnerable at the worst possible time," said Senator Carl Levin, District of Michigan, chairman of the committee. "A flood of counterfeit electronic parts has made it a lot harder to have confidence that won't happen."

Company executives, a Defence Department official, government investigator and a representative from the semiconductor industry testified before the committee about a "ticking time bomb" of suspect counterfeit electronics ending up in weapons system. They described counterfeiters operating openly in China, with Beijing unwilling to crack down on the deception.

Missing from the long list of witnesses at the hours-plus hearing was a representative from China. Levin said the panel wrote the ambassador, but he declined to send someone to testify.

The committee's ongoing investigation found about 1800 cases of suspect counterfeit electronics being sold to the Pentagon. The total number of parts in these cases topped 1 million. By the semiconductor industry's estimates, counterfeiting costs $US7.5 billion a year in lost revenue and about 11,000 US jobs.

"The Chinese government can stop it," said Senator John McCain of Arizona, the top Republican on the panel.

Later in the day, the Defence Department said in a fact sheet that it has a quality assurance process to determine whether parts are authentic and is taking steps to detect counterfeit parts, including training more than 2000 personnel in identifying fake material.

The Pentagon also said there has been "no loss of life or catastrophic mission failure due to counterfeit parts".

During the hearing, photos of cardboard and plastic bins of electronic parts on the streets of Chinese cities flashed on large video screens as Thomas Sharpe, vice president of SMT, an independent distributor of electronic components, described visiting electronic component marketplaces in July 2008.

Sharpe said scrapped electronic parts were washed in rivers or left for the daily monsoon rains, dried on riverbanks and collected in bins, ready for counterfeit processing.

"Counterfeiting performed in Shantou [a Chinese city] was not regarded as IP theft or improper in any way," Sharpe said. "It was seen as a positive 'green initiative' for the repurposing of discarded electronic component material."

Responding to the ongoing committee investigation and the widespread reports, China's Foreign Ministry said the government "attaches great importance to and has actively promoted cooperation in fighting fake and shoddy goods with competent authorities of other countries and such efforts are well known to all," according to Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei.

Richard J. Hillman, an official with the Government Accountability Office, US Congress' investigative arm, told the committee that the agency created a fictitious company to investigate counterfeit parts, purchasing them through the internet. They were able to buy 13 parts and after analysis of seven found that none was authentic.

The committee investigators found that counterfeit or suspect electronic parts were installed or delivered to the military for several weapons systems, including military aircraft such as the Air Force's C-17 and the Marine Corps' CH-46 helicopter, as well as the Army's Terminal High Altitude Area Defence (THAAD) missile defence system.

Army Lieutenant General Patrick J. O'Reilly, the director of the Missile Defence Agency, said counterfeit parts in seven instances cost the agency about $US4 million and it has moved to ensure the authenticity of every part.

"We do not want to be in a position where the reliability of a $US12 million THAAD interceptor is destroyed by a $US2 part," O'Reilly said.

Officials from Raytheon, L-3 Communications and Boeing said they took the problem of counterfeits seriously and were working to address the problem.

Levin made it clear that the companies and agencies cooperated with the committee's inquiry.

"We're all on the same side of the battle," he said.

RT (former bogus parts defender)

500N
10th Nov 2011, 08:57
"Why Buy Anything Chinese in the Firstplace ?"

Because America has lost the ability to manufacture anything like this.

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Load Toad
10th Nov 2011, 12:11
Any buyer can put in any QC & QA they want, staffed how they want & they can observe & inspect packing &c how they want, when they want to the degree they want.

But there are two things:
- They have to want to (do it properly)
- They have to pay for it.

Yes sprinkling is wrong. It is also wrong to not put in place adequate checks and balances.

There are reasons things are cheap.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
10th Nov 2011, 12:29
As a consumer (on a very minor scale) of specialist/one-off electronic components.
A Chinese company can produce the stuff in small quantities, at half the price, with zero hassle, from standard drawings I can do on my laptop with a free program, and deliver it faster from the other side of the world than a North American company 10 miles down the road. The North American companies (most of them) fail on all these counts.
There are some specialist companies in the US who are excellent, but the DoD probably won't give them contracts because -
they don't bribe politicians
they don't have half their staff filling in government paperwork
they can't expand because no American kid knows how to solder any more, and electronic engineering is "only for geeks" and won't get you on the TV.


What surprises me is the lack of quality the US DoD is getting.

Actually, reading carefully, at no point do they actually say they are getting bad quality components; just that they are counterfeit. Presumably if they were bad quality stuff would be falling out of the sky, and it ain't.

engineer(retard)
10th Nov 2011, 12:55
I think that the issue is that the counterfeit items are unlikely to have been qualified and this could be exciting if it is fitted to anything that is safety/mission critial

500N
10th Nov 2011, 12:59
LoadToad

Apple is a good example of what you posted.

Also agree with what Fox3 said. I have experienced it myself.

Fareastdriver
10th Nov 2011, 14:42
Ah Shantou.

I, with friends, used to drive from Shenzhen to Shantou for the weekend just for the seafood. Fantastic.