A330 to A340 to A380

[SK9]

If joining EK on the A330 how long before i can go A340 and A380
Cheers

[revertedrubber]

FO's to the A380,

3000 jet hours on an aircraft with a MTOW of 55 tonnes or more of which, 1500 must be on any EK aircraft type and

2 years within Emirates (on any aircraft type)

If you do not have the above requirements, should get the A340 CCQ by the second ppc (ie 1year) if you apply and are deemed suitable.

[r0v3r]

I realize it's not exactly an answer to your question, but I don't think it's really worth it. The 330 routes are exhausting night turns, of which you get really sick after the first 5 ones. If you are LUCKY, you might get in the RHS of the 380 in 5 years at least IMO. There are a lot of guys with seniority in the 330/340 fleet, who want to go to the 380.

If you want to go to EK, best option is to choose the 777. It's not worth waiting so much time for the 380. It's a plane like any other, you just get the suffix "super".

[fatbus]

There will be some go 330 to 380 real soon and as well direct 380 maybe even sooner. 330 should be all gone within 4-5 years the 345 might be here until they find a pedestal somewhere, 343 I hear are gone 2012/2013

[Bypass ratio]

Regardless of what EX A380-800 DRIVER says, the reality is 2 years A332, followed by 3 years A388 followed by another 3 years A332 as Captain then A388 as Captain. So your staring at possibly 8 years before seeing the left-handseat of the A388. On the 777, 3 years & 5 months is all that it took before you get the upgrade letter. What the future holds is anybodies guess. I see more 777-X & no more than 50 A388.

Oh yes the Super thing is a wank.

Italy: Immediately after call sign, in the initial call after changing to a new radio frequency, aircraft shall report: a) wake turbulence category, if "Super" (J) or "Heavy" (H)

UK: Aircraft with a MTOM > 162000 kg are required to announce "Heavy", or in case of an A380 announce "Super", on initial contact with an ATC unit.

USA: Pilots of heavy aircraft should always use the word "Heavy" in all communication in the terminal environment. In the en route environment, "HEAVY" is used in all communication with • a terminal facility • if the en route center is providing an approach control service • if the separation from a following aircraft may become less than 5NM by an approved procedure • when issuing traffic advisories

So as you can see, it's only the UK & Italy that require the use of "super" & even then it's only on the initial call. Even in the USA technically speaking, "Super" is not required. So when you hear an EK aircraft transiting Iraq or Turkey or wherever, if you hear them appending Super to every call then you can safely assume they are a w@nker just like EX A380-800 Driver:ok:

[Craggenmore]

The senioirty list shows that the most recent joiner to the A380 has been in the company for 1 year and 9 months.


(Apart from the direct entry former 380 SIA driver)

[donpizmeov]

You seem to be a bit size challenged there Bypass. How dare they make something larger than the 773!!

Unfortunately your maths is wrong for the progression on the new joining A330 FO as there will be no 330/340 left in the 8 years you state. In fact the 777 fleet will be minus most of the classics by then as well. These 332/4/5 and 772/3 will be replaced by 350s starting Apr 2015. So the Boeing fleet might not be a good place to be stuck as a FO or junior captain. Apart from freighters that are to be announced, I don't think we have any Boeing deliveries post EOY 2013 at the moment.

Are you hinting you will be leaving in 2015, as that is when the 50th 380 will be delivered. I don't think the 90th one arrives until 2018.

The Don

[glofish]

These 332/4/5 and 772/3 will be replaced by 350s starting Apr 2015.

Generally you post sensible stuff, don, but on this I'd take a nice bet!

I'm with bypass, not on the lower part, but on his fleet prediction.

Anyway, the Airshow will tell a story and we all might stand corrected.

[donpizmeov]

I hear you Glofish. I just want more money and more time off. Not really caring what they fly, as long as it has enough seats to make staff travel hassle free. :E

The Don

[r0v3r]

Yes, I'm sorry for the mistake. I totally forgot that EK are phasing out all 330's and 340's.

[fatbus]

I think you need to look at the list of 777 FO's that have been by passed before you say the upgrades are at 3.5 years. Yes there are 777's coming but they will also start to bet rid of some older ones. Dont just look at the most Junior 777 fo on upgrade .

[White Knight]

Being a mere 'minibus' flyer, (well, I guess the 330/340 is small next to the 380) I have to say it's helpful if the 380 guys in front use the "super" suffix to their callsign. Then at least I know to stay higher on the arrival and initial approach - I can tell you from experience that they can make for rock n' roll:D:D:D

It's good for situational awareness on everyones' part guys!

[Bypass ratio]

A330-200 DRIVER:

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I think you'll find there's still no requirement in Chinese Airspace w@nker.

My point is that guys like you (not like you now)use it in every airspace you fly around in. Even after initial contact. All I'm proving is that you are dickhe@ds.

[airho-stess]

Bypass Ratio,

FYI...

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/N7110.567.pdf

FAA Issues Interim ATC Procedures For Airbus A388 Flights (http://avstop.com/news2/airbus_a380.htm)

[SK9]

So guys if you were to join for a fixed period of time, let's say 3-5 years which fleet would give you the best lifestyle, not caring about upgrading to LH seat.
Cheers

[donpizmeov]

SK9 if you are only here for 3 to 5 yrs, then the Boeing is definitely the way to go. The Bus fleet will still be pretty ****e for the next few years. If you were here for a longer term I would suggest the bus. The better fleet changes pretty regularly here as different aircraft types are ordered and delivered.

Not all Boeing pilots are as Bipolar as Bypass, and you would have a pretty good lifestyle on the 777 for the next 5 or so years, until the next "new" aircraft start arriving. The boeing fleet, with present orders, peaks at mid/late 2013. From then on the 77classic starts leaving and all present orders would have come to an end, so it contracts. It would seem that an order for 10 77Fs are about to be announced, and strong rumours from Boeing pilots that the B77x will be ordered at the DXB airshow. Flight Global quotes Boeing for a 2018 entry into service for the 77x, and Timbo has stated he wants it. The 350-1000 seems dead in the water for EK, so it would make sense that the 77x takes its place. So that could mean another 30 77x. The reason I mention all of this, is that between 2013 and 2018 the Boeing fleet will go through the same manning issues the Bus fleet is going through now. And that does not equal good lifestyle.
Good luck,

The Don

[White Knight]

I think you'll find there's still no requirement in Chinese Airspace w@nker

And for all of you myopic guys who think we're one big loving family of aviators; see the above:D:D:D Must be a boeing thing:ouch:

[Q4NVS]

Do you get another bond for CCQ from 330 to 340 and eventually 380 (all in the same seat)?

[three eighty]

Do you get another bond for CCQ from 330 to 340 and eventually 380 (all in the same seat)? No you do not.

[Iver]

If pilots from the USA want to layover in their homeland in the next few years, the Airbus fleet is the way to go from what I read. I believe the intent is to replace all 777s flying to North America with the A380. Not sure about how the A380 will get the added range needed to reach LAX, but that is evidently the intent.

[fatbus]

So far the plan is all North America A380 by 2013( which means Mar 2014 )

[cerbus]

I wouldn't think all US flying is going to the 380. #201 came within inches of being pulled this fall because of fuel burn.
YYZ made more money on the 777 than the 380.
Even if the MTOW increases on the 380 you still have only a finite amount of space in the belly for the bags which leaves no room for freight. By the way a 131 Tonne increase on the bus seems rather steep.
I believe the 380 is a perfect 8 hour airplane. Anything more you better fill the bird or you are going to take a bath. Not a shower.

[fatbus]

That 's not what TC is saying.He loves it.But maybe he is wrong with ordering 120 of them.

[dessertdude]

I hear you fatbus! Cerbus mabye you should set up a meeting with TC, to prevent him from making some huge mistakes.

After all if TC is making the wrong call, it could bring EK down, and we will be on the street.

Cerbus you have got a huge responsibility on your shoulders my man! Act with diplomacy my friend. TC and his fellows will not take it lightly:ok:

In Cerbus we thrust,

regards

dessertdude

[cerbus]

Do you think TCs opinion of the 380 has anything to do with the kickbacks he receives from AB?
I am not saying the 380 is a bad airplane. It just fits a niche market.
Thanks for your concern DD and FB. I wear it well.