Landing fee's around Australia?

[anothertwit]

In relation to another thread, where are some of the "over the top" places?

eg. Lizard Island, near Cooktown (YLZI) $190 to chirp the wheels. :hmm: (not much of a strip either!) You have to pay when you land and they are waiting with their hand out when the prop stops spinning! :bored:

[aroa]

Lizard Island is a National Park... but the Resort area and the airstrip is leased.
And the strip was built at their cost presumably so they can charge what they like.

I know, I know ... it was just a landing, not a purchase agreement deposit!

The idea of the huge ldg fee is....stay away if yr not booked into the resort.

Camping permits used to be/still are ? available from the Park authority... best to go there by boat or seaplane.

Top spot tho.! As long as its not blowing a 35kt Sth Easterly.

[GreenerGrass]

Check out Nagambie...over the top unless you get to share the landing fee.:ok:

[QFF]

The idea of the huge ldg fee is....stay away if yr not booked into the resort.So does that mean it gets refunded or somehow waived if you are staying at the resort?
Mind you, I suppose if you can afford $2k+ per night, dropping a $200 landing fee might be considered small change...

Ayers Rock Connellan charged us $80 last month, but to be fair - it did include 2 nights parking. Mrs QFF did remark that it had the best facilities of all the airports we had seen so far - clearly marked taxi lines, individually marked parking bays, purpose built individual in-ground tie downs, even a "Follow Me" ute that ended up following me to the bowser, but that's another story.

[baswell]

So does that mean it gets refunded or somehow waived if you are staying at the resort?
According to ERSA, yes.

Ayers Rock Connellan charged us $80 last month, but to be fair - it did include 2 nights parking. Mrs QFF did remark that it had the best facilities of all the airports we had seen so far - clearly marked taxi lines, individually marked parking bays, purpose built individual in-ground tie downs, even a "Follow Me" ute.
Ah, you mean all those things any FBO in the US does for free, in the hope (no requirement) that you buy some gas from them? Which, by the way, they put into your aircraft for you, full service, while you take the courtesy car into town to have your business meeting, or just lunch.

Wouldn't personal and business transport flying in Australia be much more popular if you would actually get this kind of service, at the very least at the major GA airfields? :ugh:

[QFF]

Hmmm - yes, agreed - that would be very nice...

Most country towns don't even have a taxi service and we end up walking into town.

But hey - no landing fees! And a healthier pilot population...:E

[mcgrath50]

In fairness to the guys at Ayres Rock, on a recent stop in for fuel they waived the landing fee for us :ok: so there is some good news out there!

[Charlie Foxtrot India]

Rottnest Island..$ 44.00 :\

[Worrals in the wilds]

...even a "Follow Me" ute that ended up following me to the bowser, but that's another story.
That's more of a "Follow Him", surely. :}

[mcgrath50]

They did the same to us, they seemed to be checking against the list, I'm assuming for prior permission and assigning parking. They were more than friendly and quite happy to run my mate over to the exit gate as he was err in a rush to find the bathrooms! :D

[wishiwasupthere]

While we're on the subject of friendly locations then, what about Canberra?

I was impressed by the welcome to Canberra given by the snarling Gestapo member who went out of his way (even though I assume its his job) to let me out of Checkpoint Charlie because I had to much luggage to go through the turnstyle.

I guess its all part of the plan of the owners of Canberra airport to drive all GA away.

[ConfigFull]

Avalon!

Click here (http://www.avalonairport.com.au/resources/docs/2011_Notice%20Aerodrome%20Landing%20Fees%20Act%202003.pdf) for a laugh. At least their facilities are decent I suppose.

[Jack Ranga]

Check out Nagambie...over the top unless you get to share the landing fee.

You'd have to stay the night (and skivers are smelly)

[b_sta]

Wow, $40 per approach. That is truly ridiculous :ugh:

[rutan around]

Kowanyama (on Cape Yorke) $110 landing fee plus $82.50 gate unlocking fee. Local member has written to Minister Albanese so problem should soon be solved.
Lombadina(North of Broome) $62.50 per ton plus $40 "fine" if no prior notice given.
Cheers RA

[ReverseFlight]

I envy our counterparts in the US of A where the practice is no charges for landing fees. Even shooting their ILSs are free. Makes a huge difference when if are a student or doing recurrency.

[Fieldmouse]

I envy our counterparts in the US of A where the practice is no charges for landing fees. Even shooting their ILSs are free. Makes a huge difference when if are a student or doing recurrency.

Ha Ha. As the US economy slowly circles the drain.The good old FAA and its unrestricted, publically topped up, money bucket.

[Arm out the window]

Even shooting their ILSs are free.

Charging for navaids that radiate all the time is a horse's arse - it'd be different if you had to put money in the meter each time you wanted it to arc up, but for something that pumps out ergs regardless of whether someone's flying an approach or not, it's a blatant rip-off!

[Fieldmouse]

I hear what you are saying about shooting approaches but with a private ILS the facts are: The thing cost us around $1.5m to install, since it was installed we have had to ante up $1.5m in maintenance costs to Airservices who are the only people allowed to touch them, and what we have now is a worn out old ILS that we need to find $1.5 million to replace. We'd just as soon dig a hole and bury it and forget we ever owned one in pure financial terms. VOR/NDB/DME we can't charge for. Don't own 'em, don't care.
Just sayin.

[baswell]

Ha Ha. As the US economy slowly circles the drain.The good old FAA and its unrestricted, publically topped up, money bucket.
By "public", you mean the tax on avgas, which by its very nature, is only levied on people why actually, you know, aviate?

Here we have AsA which charges us, then returns tens of millions in dividend to the government, which puts it into general revenue. General revenue which tops of all sorts of road infrastructure that road tax alone can't pay for. :ugh:

The dividend they pay is just a drop in the ocean for general revenue, but if used just for aviation could make a huge difference to the industry. Same with tax on aviation fuels.

[baswell]

but with a private ILS the facts are
See, there is our problem right there. WTF do we have private ILSs to begin with? This **** is critical infrastructure for the proper (and safe) operation of the economic infrastructure in this country, it should not be in private hands to begin with.

This is in no way a criticism for you charging, it is criticising how this government chooses to run aviation.

To compare to the US, the worst you'll see is, say, Fedex, moving into a new airport and sharing cost for installation (or local council because they want the business!), after which the FAA takes ownership of it and maintains it.

[Fieldmouse]

I think the point I'm trying to make is please don't think regional and remote airports are using these great swathes of revenue to buy ourselves steam yachts, The costs of operating an airport can get pretty scary and I bet the relative cost of maintaining a place as remote as Kowanyama is bloody horrendous compared to an east coast strip.
Its all relative and its all a balancing act that used to be adequately done by the old Department of Aviation god bless 'em. I miss having aviation experts with the interests of the industry in charge. Now we have career bureaucrats with NFI.

[Arm out the window]

Fair enough about the maintenance cost of a private ILS, fieldmouse.

I don't know the circumstances of your one, but I guess it all depends on the business case (ie was it put up for a training organisation's private use and therefore anyone else should be charged to use it for their own training; or was it partly funded by the commonwealth as a necessary navaid as a shared venture?)

I guess my point was if the thing's there and radiating, it doesn't cost any more if someone flies the approach or not. Tricky one.

[Fieldmouse]

Yep, the businesses cases differ. Totally bought and installed as part of a trade off for other funding. We got kinda screwed. The original capital asset costs pale into insignificance when you consider long term maintenece and replacement costs. The fact that they are radiating all the time doesn't really mean they are free. You do want your ILS to be maintained so that it works in anger, that costs about $67000pa. If you need it to get in in IMC, its free, if you shoot a practice for currency in VMC, it's not, you pay for its availability until such time as you need it in anger. Yes a local training organisation uses it heavily but they pay the same as everyone else and don't have any priority in the queue so that point is moot. The current charges cover the maint ok but thats all. We would love for AA to install the next one and take it over but we are not holding our breath. One other private ILS I can name has no maint costs associated because of where it is. Luck of the draw.

[aroa]

Last time I was at Kowanyama it was 30 bucks and no gate. Silly old me.. I didnt realize that inflation was THAT bad!

The cost of the sealed strip and etc was paid for by Qld and Fed taxpayers.
Might be on Council land, so I guess it becomes a milking cow.
I'm surprised they are not charging for re-entry and take-off as well.!

If you want fly-ins for tourism and etc ... this is an excellent was to keep people away.


And rutans note.... Allbeeneasy has been advised, so that will be corrected..
Hahahaaaaa!
Thanks for the laugh!

[Lasiorhinus]

Kalumburu, $600.

Melbourne, $260

London Gatwick, £800

Los Angeles International, $25

I still think Nagambie's fee is the best in the ERSA. At least you know exactly what use they put the landing fees towards.

[Fieldmouse]

Yep, and all the roads I'll ever need to drive on have already been built and yet they still tax my unleaded. Go figure!
Agree on Albanese. The man is a tool.

[baswell]

Yep, and all the roads I'll ever need to drive on have already been built and yet they still tax my unleaded.
You mean just like our AVGAS?

Al we ask for is some fairness. If road and fuel tax is put towards maintaining council roads, why isn't aviation fuel tax and AsA dividend put towards maintaining the public aviation infrastructure?

[Fieldmouse]

Hey Baswell. That's an easy one. Way back in the days of the local ownership program when the commonwealth divested itself of airports, they gradually stopped all funding and told the councils they were on their own. The trade off for aviation was they dramatically reduced the tax grab on aviation fuel (at the time) to compensate pilots for the new user pays regime. Now, unless you are a remote, essential strip (like Kowanyama) or have a zillion pax you can charge (like Ballina,Coffs and Maroochy) or are just a monolithic car park and shopping centre like the majors, you are pretty much on your own.There is a limit to what ratepayers can and will bear and rate pegging means if they fund the airport they probably can't afford to also have a working sewerage system in town. we could make the RPT's pay for it all, but then a ticket for a 45 min flight to the city would be $500 and regional RPT would die. So it gets shared around.

[aroa]

Das Fliegermaus

At YMBA that problem already exists.!

Council get $14 mil for airport dev. Consultant sharks have a good bite.
All smiles and claps for Capn Blight as a vote buyer.?

Alas ..NO state funding avabl for the urgently needed sewerage scheme.
(Est 30$mil !!.. no sh*t) Qld broke ??

Probably like the local fire station funding .. application "mislaid by a bureaucrat in BNE"... and only found AFTER the ceasation of such funding. Smells a bit.

The "mislaid" statement is a euphemism for... We're broke... NIL $s avbl.

So... for the populace,/ the PBR ( poor bloody ratepayers ) which should have the priority.... a schmicky airstrip for some, or the proper treatment of the waste of all.?

But thats pollie tricks for ya.!

[deadcut]

Uhh Kalumburu is free mate.

Trusscott on the other hand...

[sprocket check]

Connellan my most expensive so far... $55 LF + $38/night.

And the escort in and out....

YSMB $10 or less with prior permission... up to 2.5 million for company and $250,000 per individual without. Thanks to this great gov't that is about as useful as an air pocket on a singlet.

And whoever reckons your fuel taxes are actually going to roads?

Like the US, but in different ways, we now have a civilisation in decline.

[ramble on]

How does over $500 per circuit at Avalon grab you!

Our infrastructure in private hands!

I refuse to use it now.

Boycott them.

B..........S!!