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troppo
29th Aug 2011, 02:52
With just over a week to go until the start of the 2011 Rugby World Cup place your bets.

Australia to win
France or Samoa second
NZ third
South Africa fourth

Like This - Do That
29th Aug 2011, 03:57
Fearless prediction time!

Runner up of pool D is the big question .... Wales? Fiji? Samoa? Fiji likely to be missing players due to the Kiwi Govt ban on Fiji DF employed players. So that's down to Wales and Samoa.

Otherwise it's fairly predictable:

Quarter finals:
- Australia v Wales / Samoa => Australia goes through
- England v France => England goes through
- South Africa v Ireland => South Africa goes through
- NZ v Argentina => NZ goes through

Semi finals:
- England beats Australia in a repeat of the 2007 QF, an utterly sh1te game of set pieces, cynical killing of the ball, profoundly offside loosies, rollling mauls and penalties. The best advertisement for anything OTHER than rugby one could imagine. 'Aussie Spring' violence erupts in the leafy northern suburbs of Sydney for 12 minutes before the crowds flock to a hastily-organised 15% off sale at a North Shore Audi dealer, with free pink (oops - I mean 'antique red') shirts for the first 100 buyers.
- Springboks get a case of food poisoning from a waitress called Suzy, who has secretly been dispatched from Muzza's in Wanaka with some 'doctored' roast lamb. All Blacks win in a canter, tries scored by all outside backs, and three drop goals by Brad Thorn.

3/4 Playoff:
Australia plays South Africa and nobody remembers who wins.

Final:
NZ score 5 tries, 4 of which are converted, but lose to England's 8 penalties, 2 drop goals and incorrectly-awarded scrum penalty try, from a scrum reset 15 times 10m inside the England half.

SIMPLES!

Rush2112
29th Aug 2011, 04:25
Fearless prediction time!

Runner up of pool D is the big question .... Wales? Fiji? Samoa? Fiji likely to be missing players due to the Kiwi Govt ban on Fiji DF employed players. So that's down to Wales and Samoa.

Otherwise it's fairly predictable:

Quarter finals:
- Australia v Wales / Samoa => Australia goes through
- England v France => England goes through
- South Africa v Ireland => South Africa goes through
- NZ v Argentina => NZ goes through

Semi finals:
- England beats Australia in a repeat of the 2007 QF, an utterly sh1te game of set pieces, cynical killing of the ball, profoundly offside loosies, rollling mauls and penalties. The best advertisement for anything OTHER than rugby one could imagine. 'Aussie Spring' violence erupts in the leafy northern suburbs of Sydney for 12 minutes before the crowds flock to a hastily-organised 15% off sale at a North Shore Audi dealer, with free pink (oops - I mean 'antique red') shirts for the first 100 buyers.
- Springboks get a case of food poisoning from a waitress called Suzy, who has secretly been dispatched from Muzza's in Wanaka with some 'doctored' roast lamb. All Blacks win in a canter, tries scored by all outside backs, and three drop goals by Brad Thorn.

3/4 Playoff:
Australia plays South Africa and nobody remembers who wins.

Final:
NZ score 5 tries, 4 of which are converted, but lose to England's 8 penalties, 2 drop goals and incorrectly-awarded scrum penalty try, from a scrum reset 15 times 10m inside the England half.

SIMPLES!

You wouldn't be an Aussie by any chance would you?

I don't recall the 07 QF quite like that... I do recall Andre Watson keeping you in the 03 Final with some amazing scrum decisions - why would we drop a scrum when we are on top??

Otherwise, agree with your calls on the 11 QFs but semis too tight to call, but I have a sneaking feeling about the Saffies over coming the potential food poisoning by packing lots of Immodium, and getting to the final at least.

We will be feeling a lot better after Dublin on Saturday but we will need to step up a gear or two.

Howard Hughes
29th Aug 2011, 05:04
What odds are you offering on England beating Australia, I might take some of that action!:E

I don't know who'll win, but they will have to beat New Zealand to do it!:ok:

Quizling
2nd Sep 2011, 14:16
Back to page 1 we go


We can't have this thread usurped by that historical one, besides which there are aspects of RWC2007 that we Kiwis don't like to be reminded of ! :{

yotty
2nd Sep 2011, 15:56
Heart says England head says Oz! :p

Storminnorm
2nd Sep 2011, 17:15
I DO hope that England DO beat the Aussies at least.
That's all!!! Just PLEASE beat the Aussies!!!
Don't give a stuff about the rest!!!

JUST BEAT THE AUSSIES, PLEASE!!!!

Seldomfitforpurpose
2nd Sep 2011, 20:49
Norm,

Outstanding sentiment, outstanding :ok:

Mike X
2nd Sep 2011, 23:49
Nah, Mateys. Us Saffers gonna be kicking ass and taking names.

birrddog
2nd Sep 2011, 23:57
Bokke FTW :ok:

Nervous SLF
3rd Sep 2011, 00:47
Ref this RWC, the only event worth looking forward to is this:-

Boobs on Bikes set to return for World Cup - National - NZ Herald News (http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10749101)

Rest of it is a waste of time, oh yes and beware of being over charged.

Mike X
3rd Sep 2011, 00:57
Your username is apt !

yotty
3rd Sep 2011, 22:15
Apologies to anyone who may already have seen this, The Greatest Try of All Time, 1973 All Blacks vs. Barbarians - YouTube

Shack37
3rd Sep 2011, 22:54
I DO hope that England DO beat the Aussies at least.
That's all!!! Just PLEASE beat the Aussies!!!
Don't give a stuff about the rest!!!

JUST BEAT THE AUSSIES, PLEASE!!!!



Not like you to beat about the bush Stormin.

prospector
3rd Sep 2011, 23:07
In that clip of the AB's Barbarians match, it would appear that head high tackles were the in thing from the AB's. Two very obvious examples shown.

Mike X
7th Sep 2011, 21:56
So, SA is gonna beat your asses. Nothing to say for three days ?

troppo
8th Sep 2011, 04:43
One more sleep and we can let the rivalry begin

MagnusP
8th Sep 2011, 10:24
From the news item:

he wants topless women painted in Rugby World Cup colours, and I think that's against the rules of the IRB," said Ms Casey.

One can fairly assume that Ms Casey knows eff-all about rugby players, then. :rolleyes:

bar fly
8th Sep 2011, 15:25
O Driscoll's men will answer Ireland's call. 40/1 represents an underestimation I feel.

COME ON IRELAND! :D

Storminnorm
8th Sep 2011, 15:39
Will those painted ladies need a hand to get cleaned up later??

Quizling
8th Sep 2011, 17:51
Will those painted ladies need a hand to get cleaned up later??

Yes, Mr Norman, but I think you should be advised that:-
a. ones hand may encounter unexpected objects...........:yuk:
b. there may be charges involved.................:\
c. one may be filmed and end up in a starring role...............:eek:


The day has arrived.........we can now count hours......,about 15..............:ok:

22 Degree Halo
8th Sep 2011, 18:21
No fun sweepstake? Is there time to do one?

Booger it, I'll start one and get this up and running before kick-off.

Pick a number between 1 and 20. I'll explain how you got "your" team at the end - it will be fair and square, like I did with the 2010 Football World Cup sweepstake ;)

22 Degree Halo
8th Sep 2011, 18:47
No takers after 25 mins. This is doomed to failure :p

Storminnorm
8th Sep 2011, 18:49
OK, put me down for No 18 please.

22 Degree Halo
8th Sep 2011, 18:50
Romania, Sir

(sorry.......)

Quizling
8th Sep 2011, 18:53
Me too, Number 7 please.

Storminnorm
8th Sep 2011, 18:54
Ah Well."Romania in Shock World Cup Final" it is then!!!!

I'll be round the Bookies tomorrow.

At least they SHOULD beat Ireland!!!

22 Degree Halo
8th Sep 2011, 18:55
Ireland for Quizling

Rule3
8th Sep 2011, 18:57
13 for me thank you.

22 Degree Halo
8th Sep 2011, 19:20
Canada for Rule3

Mr Chips
8th Sep 2011, 20:18
May I have number 2? (my old shirt number)

22 Degree Halo
8th Sep 2011, 20:22
Argentina for Mr Chips

Mr Chips
8th Sep 2011, 20:26
Oh Halo that leaves me with mixed feelings now!!! Still, strong front row!!!

22 Degree Halo
8th Sep 2011, 20:37
1, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20 remaining.

Can we muster up enough support? :hmm:

Beaver man
8th Sep 2011, 20:51
4 please 22. My niece's hubby ( an Englishman) has put money on Wales. At 100 to 1 not bad odds. My heart says, " Yes!!", my brain says...maybe not!!

22 Degree Halo
8th Sep 2011, 20:55
#4 is South Africa

Beaver man
8th Sep 2011, 21:09
Thanks 22. Now that's torn my allegiance in two!! Wales play SA in a couple of days!! Mind you, my lad's girlfriend is from SA so maybe...it's a sign!!

22 Degree Halo
8th Sep 2011, 21:26
Roll up, roll up......:\

fergineer
9th Sep 2011, 03:54
Well all I can say is the weather here in NZ is sunny and warm.... not bad for spring.... The All Blacks at a canter for me no bias of course. A fair competition is all we ask for and all visitors treated well good old Kiwi welcome for them all.

Quizling
9th Sep 2011, 04:56
Down to a few hours now.

Not really into predictions, would rather sit back and enjoy and celebrate at the end if appropraite.
Here in Christchurch we get two bites at the celebration cherry. With our No.2 and No3 favourite sons as AB's captain and back line marshal/goal kicker we will certainly celebrate an AB's victory, but with Canterbury's No.1 favourite favourite son coaching Australia the shouts of "We told you so" will be heard in Oz if they win the cup.

A fair competition is all we ask for and all visitors treated well good old Kiwi welcome for them all.
Yep, I agree fergineer, and let's acknowledge the impact that the visiting teams have already had and the impressions they have made.
As everyone knows, we here in Christchurch have had to bow out of all involvement in the event after loosing 3500 hotel beds and our rugby ground in our earthquakes.
We were to have hosted England (and others) and hosting, for many, is a greater loss than loss of the games. England are now based in Dunedin but a number of the team have been in Christchurch on morale building visits. The back page of yesterday's Press features a photo of an ashen faced Martin Johnson ( England team manager) inspecting the damage at Lancaster Park, which will probably never see another Rugby match.

Excellent PR and great ambassadors. :D

Now lets enjoy the fun. :ok:

Howard Hughes
9th Sep 2011, 06:08
but with Canterbury's No.1 favourite favourite son coaching Australia
I don't think he'll ever be Australias favourite son, but then again "a month is a long time in Rugby"!;)

PS: I'll take number 1 in the Sweepstakes if it's still available.:ok:

troppo
9th Sep 2011, 06:39
Put me down for na na na 19

Quizling
9th Sep 2011, 07:34
I don't think he'll ever be Australias favourite son

Yep, no problem with that. He will never be Australia's son, favourite or otherwise.
Like Phar Lap or pavlova or John Clarke, or Crowded house, or Alison Durban

One hour before the opening ceremony. Fingers crossed for that. Hope the present events aren't going international. Load of carp. :uhoh:

adsyj
9th Sep 2011, 08:30
Can i have no 3 if it is available

I reckon this could be best RWC yet.

Tonight will be a ripper, plenty of passion from the Tongan boys.

You would think the All Blacks are going to be hard to toss this tourney but I reckon the choke could be on again.

Go the Wallabies.

troppo
9th Sep 2011, 09:27
See here's how it is.
Fiji is going to win.
Fiji can beat Samoa, Samoa can beat Australia, Austraila can beat South Africa and New Zealand so logic dictates that the Flying Fijians are it!
GO FIJI GO!!!!!!!

I think the organisers are going to get a flooging in the media given some of the reports of monumental chaos leading the news.
World Cup: Hundreds of rugby fans trapped in trains - National - NZ Herald News (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10750606)

troppo
9th Sep 2011, 12:08
41-10 to the AB's. Far from convincing. Should have been more like 100-0

22 Degree Halo
9th Sep 2011, 12:59
5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20 remaining.

adsyj = Australia

Howard Hughes = New Zealand

troppo = USA

Need more participants!

troppo
9th Sep 2011, 13:09
but i want fiji democratically

Howard Hughes
9th Sep 2011, 13:21
Howard Hughes = New Zealand

Woo hoo!:ok:

birrddog
9th Sep 2011, 13:25
Put me down for 11.

Ancient Observer
9th Sep 2011, 13:34
No 6, please.
ta
AO

22 Degree Halo
9th Sep 2011, 13:34
birrddog = Italy

AO = England

5, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20 remaining.

birrddog
9th Sep 2011, 13:43
Bloody hell, Italy? :{

Do I get a mulligan? ;)

MagnusP
9th Sep 2011, 14:12
16 for me, please; at least it's legal. :p

Stoney X
9th Sep 2011, 14:18
14 please....

22 Degree Halo
9th Sep 2011, 17:28
Magnus P = Samoa

Stoney X = Georgia

5, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 17, 20 remaining.

adsyj
10th Sep 2011, 10:51
Thanks 22DH- go the wallabies,

On another note, what the hell are England wearing, those jerseys are disgraceful. Why Why Why,

Can one of my pommy cousins give an explanation

Pretty rugged game with the Argies right now.

mocoman
10th Sep 2011, 11:30
what the hell are England wearing, those jerseys are disgraceful

Totally agree. They look like cheap iron-on numbers that would be more appropriate for a cheap copy for the supporters rather than a high quality jersey that would befit a national team..

:eek:

4PON4PIN
10th Sep 2011, 12:19
Just seen this. Can't believe slow response.
Lump me on number 17 please Mr Halo.

david1300
10th Sep 2011, 12:28
Did England think that playing in all black might help?? (And I agree - what a bad advertisement for the jersey supplier - you'd not want to buy something made by them). I am not crying for you, Argentina, but well played. For a long time I thought you might do it.

B Fraser
10th Sep 2011, 13:44
Number 5 for me please.

Scotland showed brilliance and mediocrity in equal measure. I hope they settle down and get a few good results.

OK, admit it....... who swapped Wilkinson's contact lenses around :rolleyes:

22 Degree Halo
10th Sep 2011, 14:32
4PON4PIN = Japan

B Fraser = France

8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 20 remaining.

Juliet Sierra Papa
11th Sep 2011, 09:32
Go BOKKE go

Just an other number
11th Sep 2011, 11:31
Please may I have lucky number 8.

Storminnorm
11th Sep 2011, 11:57
Wales were unlucky!! There again, they usually are.

CathayBrat
11th Sep 2011, 13:44
15 please. Is it me, or is going to the pub at 0930 in the UK seem a bit wrong.

Mike X
11th Sep 2011, 13:49
Go BOKKE go

A win is a win ! :ok:

22 Degree Halo
11th Sep 2011, 14:45
Just an other number = Wales.

CathayBrat = Russia

9, 10, 12, 20 remaining.

Mariner9
11th Sep 2011, 15:01
With my username, supposed I'd better take 9. At least it's not Wales:ok:

22 Degree Halo
11th Sep 2011, 15:15
Mariner9 = Tonga

10, 12, 20 remaining.

22 Degree Halo
11th Sep 2011, 15:25
A correction is made

Japan was issued twice when infact Magnus P should have had Samoa. Thus, now corrected, and here is the full list, with just numbers 10, 12, 20 remaining.

Storminnorm - Romania
Quizling - Ireland
Rule3 - Canada
Mr Chips - Argentina
Beaver man - South Africa
adsyj = Australia
Howard Hughes = New Zealand
troppo = USA
birrddog = Italy
AO = England
Magnus P = Samoa
Stoney X = Georgia
4PON4PIN= Japan
B Fraser = France
Just an other number = Wales.
CathayBrat = Russia
Mariner9 = Tonga
faps = Fiji

fabs
11th Sep 2011, 17:05
May I have 12 please?

Mike X
11th Sep 2011, 18:31
Beaver man - South Africa

Got that one right !

22 Degree Halo
11th Sep 2011, 19:28
fabs = Fiji

10 and 20 remain

IJM
11th Sep 2011, 23:53
I'll join in the fun if that's OK!

May I have 20 please?

Rush2112
12th Sep 2011, 02:10
Totally agree. They look like cheap iron-on numbers that would be more appropriate for a cheap copy for the supporters rather than a high quality jersey that would befit a national team..

:eek:

I heard somewhere that Nike had forced the design on us to try and get one over adidas (who supply the ABs) but I think it's safe to say it rather backfired on them.

david1300
12th Sep 2011, 03:33
http://i51.tinypic.com/wlrn7b.jpg

adsyj
12th Sep 2011, 03:41
I really enjoyed that weekend of back to back Rugby. I'm loving the improvement and determination shown by the newer Rugby nations.

Congrats to the kiwis for putting on a great:ok: opening ceremony,

Is there any history behind the new the English colours or was it just a brain explosion from some marketing dimwit. It just doesn't look like England. Bring back the proper strip for which England are known for.

Pseudonymn
12th Sep 2011, 04:33
Ok, I'll have #10 if chicks are allowed... :E

troppo
12th Sep 2011, 04:43
and to compliment the bra
http://www.ougrote.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/the_allblack_choker.jpg

Quizling
12th Sep 2011, 06:35
Game of the weekend, for my money Fiji vs Namibia (who?). Fiji played at the frenetic pace more reminiscient of a sevens game (seven minutes each way) for about seventy minutes. Big ups :ok: to Namibia for forcing them to play so well.
The bunnies, for the most part are playing beautiful Rugby. Gone are the days of 100 point margins.
A word in defense of IRB and WRC2011. It was not a failure on their part that led to the kurfuffle in Auckland on Friday night. It was an Auckland infrastructure failure, details of which are not clear yet.
And the England playing in all black? I think we'll find this is a one finger salute to their hosts intended to force the All Blacks to play in white if the two teams meet. :*
Our Aussie neighbors invented a phrase to describe the English propensity for such unsporting antics. They call them "Pommie Bastards".
On this occasion I suspect it may be their own countrymen who pull the plug on this piece of f'witery :=

MagnusP
12th Sep 2011, 09:58
I HATE THE FECKIN' BBC!

Set the recorder for the Scotland game at 2am, up 6:30 on Saturday so I can watch it as if it were live (and MrsP doesn't emerge until 8:30), switch telly on, and all the results were on the screen. :{

Bugga.

22 Degree Halo
12th Sep 2011, 10:58
Full listing

----------

Storminnorm - Romania
Quizling - Ireland
Rule3 - Canada
Mr Chips - Argentina
Beaver man - South Africa
adsyj = Australia
Howard Hughes = New Zealand
troppo = USA
birrddog = Italy
AO = England
Magnus P = Samoa
Stoney X = Georgia
4PON4PIN= Japan
B Fraser = France
Just an other number = Wales.
CathayBrat = Russia
Mariner9 = Tonga
faps = Fiji
Pseudonymn = Scotland (:ok:)
IJM = Namibia

;)

IJM
13th Sep 2011, 04:09
Pseudonymn = Scotland ()
IJM = Namibia

Thanks for arranging the sweepstake 22 Degree Halo!

Pseudonymn - would you like to do a swap?

I could then have my home country, and you would have a country who might do better...... :E

Pseudonymn
13th Sep 2011, 11:11
I suspect that might be frowned upon by 22°H, IJM. Besides, I didn't get my home country either. :8

ExSp33db1rd
13th Sep 2011, 11:51
JUST BEAT THE AUSSIES, PLEASE!!!!

Can buy a T-shirt in NZ which says .... I support New Zealand and anyone who play against Australia......

English shirts. Whether one supports the New Zealand All Blacks or not, NZ is the Host Country, and for the English team to turn up and wear black is just downright rude - in my opinion. ( and this opinion has been echoed in the Media - not made them any friends)

Can someone explain to an ex-pat Brit. living in NZ, just why did they did it ?

and ...... should they end up playing against the All Blacks, who will decide which team keeps the black ? Is it a toss of the coin, or will reason prevail and make the English team wear an alternative strip ?

Ancient Observer
13th Sep 2011, 12:02
The only conceivable reason for the England team to wear black is that some ferkwit in marketing decided that it was a good idea. I hope they have fired her by now. I bet they sold all of three of the replica kits. The rest will end up in Petaling Street at 20 R per kit.

Nick Riviera
13th Sep 2011, 13:26
I think that this article sums up my feelings about the black kit:

Scott Jordan Harris: England's All Black Kit Isn't an Insult to the All Blacks -- It's an Insult to England Fans (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/scott-jordan-harris/englands-all-black-kit-is_b_920565.html)

It is ludicrous for the RFU to seek to cash in on a controversial change of strip and it is also ludicrous for such a song and dance to be made about it in NZ.

henry crun
13th Sep 2011, 22:58
Nick: The media in NZ are little different from those in UK, they will make a song & dance about anything.

ExSp33db1rd
13th Sep 2011, 23:01
.........and it is also ludicrous for such a song and dance to be made about it in NZ.

I presume that you're not in NZ (?) as a Brit. who is, I'm disgusted, hope the All Blacks beat the (black) pants off the lot of them as a result.

david1300
14th Sep 2011, 00:44
England in black jumpers - what an insult to the English fans who have spend $$millions on merchandise in the past to support their team. I agree with the sentiments expressed in the article referenced 2 posts above.

IJM
14th Sep 2011, 02:36
Pseudonymn and 22 Degree Halo - I was only joking about the "swap", am happy to look out for Namibia's results! :ok:

Pseudonymn
14th Sep 2011, 03:16
I guessed that. Now I just need to perfect my scottish brogue. :}

reynoldsno1
14th Sep 2011, 05:13
it is also ludicrous for such a song and dance to be made about it in NZ

I live in NZ and didn't sing or dance about the all black strip, and nor did the majority of the Kiwis I know ... perhaps you just wish we did. :bored:

alwayzinit
14th Sep 2011, 06:12
Is it me or does anybody else feel the spectical of this event is having the shine taken off it by being played in tiny little club grounds?

Just watching Tonga Canada and it looks like no extra seating has been installed from what would be a club game.

No wall of sound like Twickers or any other big stadium.

All a bit ............well quaint!

ExSp33db1rd
14th Sep 2011, 07:03
All a bit ............well quaint!

The " Event " is being spread around NZ to allow as many people as possible to be able to afford / travel to the various venues and participate in RWC ' fever' and watch foreign teams that many can only dream about, this is a popular decision welcomed by the majority. Supporters in Invercargill, at the bottom of the South Island wouldn't travel to Auckland in such force as will attend their local stadium around the corner.

If the event is held at Twickers, how many will bother to travel from South Shields ? but they might if a game were to be played in Newcastle.

Why do we make Sporting Events public, why not hold them in secret in the best locations purely for the benefit of the players, and let the public eat cake, or watch on television. If it is to 'entertain ' the public then why not make it easy for the public to enjoy ?

The 'tiny little club grounds ' are good enough for the NZ public, from all backgrounds, to enjoy playing, and watching, the game of Rugby, if these grounds aren't good enough for the Prima Donnas of the Worlds' so called Sporting Celebrities -- tough.

QED

Beaver man
14th Sep 2011, 07:34
Couldn't put it better myself, EX

MagnusP
14th Sep 2011, 08:15
C'mon the mighty Samoa!

Pseudonym: if it's ghillie brogues, I can tell you how to tie them. :p

McGoonagall
14th Sep 2011, 08:23
C'mon the Sweaties.

Although not born there I was brought up in Melrose and went to school opposite the Greenyards. Happy days.

:ok:

Howard Hughes
14th Sep 2011, 08:43
Looking forward to the battle between the Bears and the Eagles tomorrow, bring back the cold war!:ok:

Curious Pax
14th Sep 2011, 09:12
I see Andrew Sheridan is out of the World Cup. Given there are another 4 props in the squad will this make much difference to England?

MagnusP
14th Sep 2011, 10:19
Hard game, but Scotland just won 15-6. Phew.

Pseudonymn
14th Sep 2011, 10:36
Yay. Go Team! :E

ExSp33db1rd
14th Sep 2011, 12:06
I live in NZ and didn't sing or dance about the all black strip, and nor did the majority of the Kiwis I know ... perhaps you just wish we did.

We obviously read different newspapers and listen to different talk-back radio !

As a Pom Abroad I'm being given a lot of stick about it, like it's all my fault !

Go! the All Blacks !

Nick Riviera
14th Sep 2011, 13:48
"I presume that you're not in NZ (?) as a Brit. who is, I'm disgusted, hope the All Blacks beat the (black) pants off the lot of them as a result."

Kind of proves my point. To support a team against your home nation just because the RFU have decided to use a black strip is ludicrous.

Capt.Grumpy
14th Sep 2011, 14:18
Come on Nick, chill out........put on your Viceroy of India outfit, make some cucumber sandwiches, pour yourself a Pimms (or something similar) and enjoy the :ok: RWC.

Nick Riviera
14th Sep 2011, 14:27
I'm totally chilled, thanks. Anyway, the Viceroy outfit is a birthday treat that I won't be able to enjoy for a few weeks yet. However, I must chide you over your suggestion that I may partake of a Pimms. That is a summer drink and we are now officially in autumn so it is very bad form to suggest it. I can allow some latitude as you are a colonial and not fully aware of the social niceties but be aware that you are on decidedly shaky ground.

MagnusP
14th Sep 2011, 14:41
Tsk, tsk, Nick, as any fule kno, there is a winter Pimms. Pimms Winter Cup, infused with spices and orange peel has replaced Pimms #3.

Nicest Pimms I had was at the restaurant school next to the ILO in Geneva, at a UK Government reception for the International Labour Conference. Nibblies and drinkies served by the students on the lawn running down to the lake. Very civilised.

Nick Riviera
14th Sep 2011, 14:52
Winter Pimms!! Good God, Sir, you must be one of those nouveau riche types. I'm prepared to accept a mulled wine at Christmas but Pimms will remain a drink for the warmer months.

MagnusP
14th Sep 2011, 15:14
Ah, Nick, we've started discussing Pimms on a rugby thread. Perhaps we should just slope off and pretend it never happened. :O

Ancient Observer
14th Sep 2011, 15:22
The rugby or the Pimms?

I like Rugby and hate Pimms.

Of course, form is transitory, class is permanent.

Nick Riviera
14th Sep 2011, 15:30
Agreed, Magnus. I am suitably ashamed.:(

Mushroom_2
14th Sep 2011, 16:07
WazeyJtY7UQ

deltahotel
14th Sep 2011, 16:15
Thought the England black strip was the change strip for one game only (vs Argentina in pale blue and white). Think England revert to normal for the rest.

Mr Chips
14th Sep 2011, 17:20
Deltahotel you are right (although I see no clash between Argentina and England! As a rugby shirt, the black England shirt is actually really nice, my friend bought one at the warm up game against Wales at HQ

But its just wrong! The fact that England wore it that day at Twickenham kind of proves it was a marketing ploy, which just isn't rugby!

having said all that - I'm currently wearing the sevens "Tequila Sunrise" shirt!

reynoldsno1
15th Sep 2011, 01:03
We obviously read different newspapers and listen to different talk-back radio !


Prolly not - but the meeja want to make the news, not report it :rolleyes:

alwayzinit
15th Sep 2011, 10:15
Ex Birdseed, thank you for making my point for me.................

The idea of a RWC is to get as many as possible to experience the event, I agree , hence my obsevation:cool:.

The grounds, it appears, have not been adapted to accomodate any more folk, Kiwi or Visitor, than for a club game. No temporary stands at either end etc.

Lets face it this is the bleeding RWC not a club tournament so MORE seating should be made available.

I am slightly surprised your thought I was postulating that the entire event should be held at Twickers:confused:. I was merely comparing the sound of 70,000 peeps all excited and singing vs 20,000 if you are lucky.

As to your assertion that people from South Shields won't travel........... Have you seen the Toon Army on the move?:} Or the whole of Cornwall on the move when they reached the county finals last time!

But seriously of course they would perfer to watch it locally ie St James Park (Capacity 50.000+)
not Arnwick RFC (capacity 2500)

As I understand it the number of teams had to be cut as there are not enough stadiums in NZ to fit the normal quota of competitors, so not to increase the ground's capacity, to permit more to attend in person, IS VERY quaint.

Keep taking the tablets and enjoy the rest of the tournament.

Bless.

ExSp33db1rd
15th Sep 2011, 23:03
Keep taking the tablets and enjoy the rest of the tournament.

I actually don't give a st*ff. Tonga/Canada invaded my locale two days ago - my wife and I left town ( but I'm glad Canada won ) - but it's nice for those who do partake, and enjoy it, to have the games on their doorstep, many local schoolchildren were thrilled.

Just watching Tonga Canada Maori TV have hijacked the TV rights, and sold some rights to SKY, but as I refuse to subscribe I don't even get to watch the games ! ( tho' I think the Final will be available to all, as was the opening game ? ) Lucky you.

I should care.

david1300
16th Sep 2011, 05:40
@alwayzinit - let me guess, you are a whingeing POM. You can't even bother to get your facts right without slagging off. As a South African born Aussie who lived in NZ in 1987 & 88 and attended many of the first RWC matches, shouting for France in the final, I have no real love for NZ. I have often said the best place in NZ is the departure lounge, BUT

"The idea of a RWC is to get as many as possible to experience the event, I agree , hence my obsevationhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/cool.gif." Err - maybe not. The idea is to find the top rugby playing nation at that point in time, AND expose rugby to as many as possible, mainly through increased television viewing, and to provide incentives for developing nations.

"The grounds, it appears, have not been adapted to accomodate any more folk, Kiwi or Visitor, than for a club game. No temporary stands at either end etc." Absolute garbage - Eden Park was redeveloped in 2010 to hold 60,000 for the RWC (50,000 permanent seats and 10,000 temp). Other stadiums were also redeveloped, but proportionate to the country and expected attendance. For info, the Rotorua Stadium where Canada played Tonga (a match you complained about as having no 'wall of sound') holds 34,000 people which is 2,000 more than Lords, and the (Kia) Oval only holds 23,000 (which is 11,000 less than Rotorua, a regional city with a population of around 60,000)

"I am slightly surprised your thought I was postulating that the entire event should be held at Twickershttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/confused.gif. I was merely comparing the sound of 70,000 peeps all excited and singing vs 20,000 if you are lucky." You think you would get 70,000 peeps all singing at Twickers for Canada playing Tonga, or Argentina playing Georgia. I think not. (And for comparison, look at the puny capacity of your top cricket grounds).

"But seriously of course they would perfer to watch it locally ie St James Park (Capacity 50.000+) not Arnwick RFC (capacity 2500)" Yep, self interest to the fore.

"As I understand it the number of teams had to be cut as there are not enough stadiums in NZ to fit the normal quota of competitors, so not to increase the ground's capacity, to permit more to attend in person, IS VERY quaint." You understand it very wrong. Maybe check a few facts next time. From a simple Google search referring to an IRB statement made in 2007: "The International Rugby Board (IRB) announced on Friday that the Rugby World Cup 2011 tournament in New Zealand will comprise 20 teams. This mirrors the number of teams that played in the last three tournaments. The decision was taken at a Special Meeting of Council following a recommendation to the Council from the Rugby World Cup Limited Board."

"Keep taking the tablets and enjoy the rest of the tournament." You keep taking your grumpy pills, and ignore the facts, if it helps you.

alwayzinit
17th Sep 2011, 10:07
Whoa Hold Tex, or David 1300

Not sure your definition of "slagging off" is quite the same as mine. As you can see in my first post I asked a question (you know those sentences that you put forward to query or clarify something).

Good to see your are holding up the balanced and clearly unbiased views of your country.

As to the title POM....................Ah a small point that gets muddled up in translation, between "Strine" and English, difficult I know but the title or slang deriverative POM comes from the pyjamas your forebears wore.........they had POHM printed on them (Prisioner of His Majesty).

Consequently and mildly amusingly, the inhabitants of your large, though mainly barren island( that is slagging off btw:E), of British stock are the POMs, as you so sweetly put it, not me or anybody else who relatives were not light fingered. So assuming ( I know one should never assume but what the heck) you are original Aussie, it is you who is the, well .whingeing POM, and that Dear David is history.

So do keep taking the medication and enjoy the rest of the games.

I am quite sure that the Yellow and Green (:E I know its supposed to be Gold but I am on a roll plus it does look yellow!) will do very well, if not win, it still doesn't change the original quesion, why no extra seating ?

Bless.

PS I am in Melbourne next week so we could slag it off over a wet one if you like!:)

PPS just reread yours David and you are a Yarpie, my apologies. However the tenents still hold true.

PPPS David with your much travelled background............where do you call home and who would you be supporting? Must be quite confusing.

Quizling
17th Sep 2011, 11:15
Ireland????



Ireland


You Beauts

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Standard Noise
17th Sep 2011, 12:07
Well, that was a poke in the eye for the idiots in the English media who repeated, ad nauseum, Ireland's pre-tournament friendly results as if that was how our RWC would turn out.

I'll happily take one win over the Ozmates every five years as long as it's in the RWC.

Revenge for '91!
(so nice that Mr Lynagh was able to share it in the studio too:E)

:):):}:}:D:D

Like This - Do That
17th Sep 2011, 12:14
At kick off my 7 year old asked me who I thought would win. "Ireland mate, I think the Wallabies are walking into an ambush". He fell asleep; I seethed.

What a bloody disgraceful performance by Australia. Pocock, Ioane, Moore out, but I wonder if would have made a difference....? Ireland played precisely the game they needed to (straight from the Marseilles 2007 playbook).

Utter tripe.

Still, well done Ireland.

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

david1300
17th Sep 2011, 13:24
Well played, Ireland. You played the game needed to win, based around a forward pack that never let up. Congrats.:ok::ok:

david1300
17th Sep 2011, 13:29
@Always - apologies if I read your post wrongly, and went on attacke (best form of defence, etc etc). I actually won't mind if either Aus or Sefrica win, but they will probably meet each other in the quarter final, given todays result (Ireland over Aus), so I'll start my earnest support with the winner of that match. Up till then I'll support attractive, open rugby, and whoever is playing it on the day. Once we get to the knockout stages it becomes win however you tactically need to. BUT - whoever beats NZ, they will be my team on the year - I think they play every aspect of the game just bordering over the illegal side of the laws, specially offsides at the breakdown.

alwayzinit
17th Sep 2011, 13:43
David !300 .:)

No harm No foul.

Couldn't agree more about the kiwi's "big feet" and their offsideness. The speed ay which they can cover 7 mts they should all be bleeding sprinters in the" oilpics" !

Missed the Boggies game as stuck in China, my Darling Bride woke me with a loud PING to pass on the excellent news of the tournament being thrown wide open.

Well done Boggies, age, guile and in your faceness. What Rugby is all about.

Lon More
19th Sep 2011, 12:24
Now if they could just learn to play rugby!!

Ancient Observer
19th Sep 2011, 14:07
Lots of teams appear to play right on the edge of the laws. The Kiwis and Aus are the experts at this. The English are just amateurs at playing at the edge - they will end up with a record number of penalties against. Stupid shower.

Well done Ireland. Hopefully, that's your lot for 2011!!

Storminnorm
19th Sep 2011, 17:16
Thank you Ireland!!!!

I love you all, forever!!!!

TWT
23rd Sep 2011, 12:49
*BREAKING NEWS*

Wallabies rugby practice was delayed nearly 2 hours today after a player reported an unknown white powdery substance on the practice field.

Coach Robbie Deans immediately suspended practice while police were called to investigate.

After a complete analysis, experts determined that the white substance unknown to players was the TRY LINE.

Practice resumed after special agents decided the team was unlikely to encounter the substance again...

Howard Hughes
24th Sep 2011, 07:34
I'm glad you've all written the Wallabies off!:ok:

Quizling
24th Sep 2011, 09:28
Not all of us, HH, not all.

TWT, Please don't prod the sleeping dingo. :=

Q :oh:

Storminnorm
24th Sep 2011, 16:49
Oh dear!!! England 67, Romania 3.

That's not helping me to win the Sweep!!!

Mike X
24th Sep 2011, 23:58
Nah, Mateys. Us Saffers gonna be kicking ass and taking names.

Your (plural) silence is deafening. Saffers to the win, again.

Pseudonymn
25th Sep 2011, 02:27
Go Wallabies!


Ummm, sorry. I meant: Go Scotland :O

cabbages
25th Sep 2011, 07:48
come on argentina

hellsbrink
25th Sep 2011, 08:16
come on argentina


C'moan ABE!!!


:p

cabbages
25th Sep 2011, 10:20
great result......magnificent try followed by hilarious drop goal miss in the last minute.....never get tired watching the Bravehearts blow it.

22 Degree Halo
25th Sep 2011, 10:35
Can't wait to beat your lot next week ^^ (better than winning a World Cup, is that :ok:)

B Fraser
25th Sep 2011, 11:06
shitfukkityfukkitybollox ....... 98% of it was a good game :ugh:

Only Button winning in Singapore and Di Resta getting a point can save my day.

Ancient Observer
25th Sep 2011, 13:11
As an English person watching the Argie v Scots game, I have to say that I was entertained.
However, chatting to an English friend yesterday, I was very surprised at his vehement hatred for all things Scottish rugby. He's not thick - good school ,good Uni, good job. He was so wound up about it I decided that asking him why was not a good idea.

Why might he be like that?

have I missed something? Whenever I've been to rugby, (I used to play it but this body lets down the 18 year old inside), there has been vicious banter, but no more than banter.

On the pprune comp, I was lucky enough to draw England. Could we pl. take the game against Romania as the Final? It would save us having to play any of the good teams.

yotty
25th Sep 2011, 22:12
A O. I know what you mean about the rivalry between us and the "sweaties". Scotland is and always has been a Sovereign nation. After the debacle at Darien, where they were misled by one of their own and after the Spanish "put the boot in" as it were, they decided to join the Union with us in the 1700's. After jointly carving up a good proportion of the "known world" (along with the Welsh Irish and others). The world is constantly changing so perhaps it's time the union was done away with. :cool:

MagnusP
26th Sep 2011, 10:20
We wuz robbed!!

Oh, hang about, we weren't robbed, we were just sh!t. :sad:

Storminnorm
26th Sep 2011, 15:57
It's OK for you AO !!

I drew Romania!!

Still, you never know your luck, eh?

It's all on the day.

Rule3
29th Sep 2011, 13:14
Cheating Pommie Bastards!;)

ExSp33db1rd
30th Sep 2011, 09:51
Cheating Pommie Bastards!

I'm ashamed to admit that I'm a Brit. at the moment, first black kit, then this.

A Samoan player was fined $10,000. for using a non-approved, i.e. not made by the regular sponsor, mouthguard, yet England get away with a mere slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket.

Just seen that one of our TV channels started a move to collect money to help the Samoan team, first of all a street side " sausage sizzle " ( Hot Dogs ) at 50c a dog, then a Samoan mobile telephone provider threw in a pledge of $7,000, and at last count the largely NZ public queuing to get into the Samoa / South Africa game ( game ? slaughter more like, half time score S.A 13, Samoa 0 ) coughed up the rest of the $10K into offered buckets.

Good on'em.

( I recall being in Rhodesia just after it had become Zimbabwe, and being told the joke about the lion licking another lions' arse. The reason was because it had just eaten an Englishman and wanted to take the taste out of its' mouth. In Canada in the 50's we were called Kippers - two faced and no guts. I'm beginning to see why these sort of tales gain popularity -Go! the All Blacks )

cabbages
30th Sep 2011, 14:00
'I'm ashamed to admit that I'm a Brit.'

What a coincidence....im ashamed to admit you're a Brit as well.

sitigeltfel
30th Sep 2011, 15:28
Cheating Pommie Bastards!;)

Serves them right for tampering with Wilkinsons balls :ooh:

Solid Rust Twotter
1st Oct 2011, 08:46
Alba go bragh!

Go, you good things!:ok:

Cacophonix
1st Oct 2011, 10:54
Weren't the French pathetic against Tonga today...? It is a pity that Tonga can't go through.

What has happened to that once proud team (the French I mean)?

England scrape on by but a win is a win.

Go Bokke!

Caco

Rush2112
1st Oct 2011, 11:11
AdNews: Rules to Rugby (http://www.adnews.com.au/campaign/rules-to-rugby)

One of my friends has just sent me this link, and a refresher of the rules of the game is probably apposite.

It is mildly NSFW though... but a thing of beauty nonetheless.

Storminnorm
1st Oct 2011, 12:05
Didn't have chance to watch the game against Scotland.

Probably just as well really.

At least England won, didn't they?

"Weren't the Ffrench pathetic against Tonga today"???
They're almost always Pathetic !!!!

Mr Chips
1st Oct 2011, 14:47
To see the faces of the Tongan front row in the final scrums of that game was a beauty in itself!

England played badly in the first half, came out fighting in the second and never gave up - is that where Scotland lose it? I think it fair to say that we (or at least Dan Cole) were very harshly refereed at times

Still, I had £20 at 6/1 for Scots ahead at half time and England to win - despite Johnny's best efforts to lose by a small margin, the delightful Mr Ashton won me £120, so I am wearing a brand new England shirt!

Ladbrokes - official kit sponsors to Mr Chips!!!

rab-k
1st Oct 2011, 17:58
Balances things up nicely that does; our Rugby World Cup Squad is now officially as sh1te as our Football World Cup Squad.:hmm:

They need to get their @rses home on the next plane and try to learn to play the bloody game, and leave that chump Robinson at the border.:mad:

Loosing to a piss-poor England side is simply not good enough.:ugh:

ChristiaanJ
2nd Oct 2011, 00:06
Roll up, roll up......:\Discovered this thread too late, but if 17 is still going, I'll have it.

Apologies, just saw it's gone... any left?

CJ

Mike X
2nd Oct 2011, 15:12
What are the odds on the Bokkies whipping the Wallabies asses ?

Storminnorm
2nd Oct 2011, 16:02
Odds? A dead cert I think!!

Mike X
2nd Oct 2011, 16:47
You're on my Christmas list Norm. :ok:

skua
2nd Oct 2011, 17:02
This England team is largely mediocre. Tindall injured so can't play for the rest of the tournament? Frankly no loss, and his replacement will pit more fizz onto the back line. Ackford's idea of having both Flood & Wilko in probably has some merit.

Agree the site of the Tongan front row in the last quarter was very heart-warming.

Storminnorm
2nd Oct 2011, 17:45
I'm English, but I LOVED watching Ireland play.

Could we perhaps LEARN something from them??

They played with passion and commitment.
Something that England seem to,lack at times.
(In fact most of the time!!)

Hope a few of the English squad try to copy them.

Thank you Mike X. Nice to be on a GOOD list for a change.

mutt
3rd Oct 2011, 10:41
What are the odds on a Ireland - New Zealand final?

Mutt

Storminnorm
3rd Oct 2011, 10:48
I've already put money on Ireland to win.

I'm not telling you the odds though.

Mike X
3rd Oct 2011, 11:57
...and I'm not paying for your beer. :)

Storminnorm
3rd Oct 2011, 14:26
What a spoilsport!!!

Quizling
8th Oct 2011, 05:20
Please England.


Send those snail eaters home and let 4 million New Zealanders dare to begin to hope.

Please!!

Rush2112
8th Oct 2011, 08:00
I've already put money on Ireland to win.

I'm not telling you the odds though.

Don't give up the day job mate!

Monster defensive performance, Ireland just could not break them down.

Nice little appetiser, now for the main course...

Cacophonix
8th Oct 2011, 08:21
Well done Wales. Now to watch another dour England game. I can't see "les bleues" winning this one though...

Caco

Quizling
8th Oct 2011, 08:50
Nice little appetiser

Yes indeed. Rugby as it should be played and not what we expect from Northern teams. :ok:

ExSp33db1rd
8th Oct 2011, 09:02
England -v- France.

In progress, 27 minutes into the first half, France lead 11 - 0

Cacophonix
8th Oct 2011, 09:04
I can't see "les bleues" winning this one though...

Seeking out an edible hat... just in case!

Caco

Quizling
8th Oct 2011, 09:09
Considering the number of people watching around the world and the number who will want to watch delayed coverage it probably is not a good way to win friends by posting scores and results while the game is in progress.

Rush2112
8th Oct 2011, 09:13
Loitering on the internet is not the best way to avoid finding out the score, and in particular a thread about the rugby!

mustpost
8th Oct 2011, 10:04
Anyway, it is a rumour network, and that's not the score anyway..:p

Cacophonix
8th Oct 2011, 10:08
I can't see "les bleues" winning this one though...

Have taken out the bottle of ketchup!

Caco

Rush2112
8th Oct 2011, 10:26
Have taken out the bottle of ketchup!

Caco

Bon appetite!

As I own a house in France, I can claim them as my second team... Allez les Bleues!

sitigeltfel
8th Oct 2011, 10:40
Have taken out the bottle of ketchup!

Caco

Nah. Should be Dijon mustard, for added penance. :}

Rush2112
8th Oct 2011, 10:43
Nah. Should be Dijon mustard, for added penance. :}

Harsh. But probably fair.

Cacophonix
8th Oct 2011, 10:55
Damn that beret tasted bad. :ok:

The French deserved their win... Give them hope and see what you get! ;)

Caco

Rush2112
8th Oct 2011, 11:02
Unfortunately they only have one good game per World Cup - I would be happy to see them win it, but cannot seeing them beat either set of sheep worriers in their way now.

Cacophonix
8th Oct 2011, 11:04
Have just caught some of the earlier Wales/Ireland game which I didn't see earlier. The Welsh looked truly professional. They are a very good team.

Caco

sitigeltfel
8th Oct 2011, 11:08
Useless rugby fact XVIII...

The name of Mas, the French No.3, is the Provençal word for "Farmhouse".

Rush2112
8th Oct 2011, 11:11
Have just caught some of the earlier Wales/Ireland game which I didn't see earlier. The Welsh looked truly professional. They are a very good team.

Caco

They will take some beating. The other worrying thing is they have quite a lot of young players coming through so 2015 will see them a strong proposition then as well.

mutt
8th Oct 2011, 12:07
The Welsh looked truly professional They were excellent, they shut down Ireland completely:{:{:{:{:{

Mutt

Storminnorm
8th Oct 2011, 12:27
Oh Dear!!!
That's that then!!

England failed again. And the Taffs won.

Doom & Gloom.

Ancient Observer
8th Oct 2011, 12:34
Sad. very sad. Especially as I drew no. 6, England.

Mind, given the way the Welsh played, they would have beaten us.

Where did they get that massive physicality from, and how did they manage to commit so many to the breakdown? Someone will figure out a way to deal with that. probably the kiwis.

Storminnorm
8th Oct 2011, 12:41
The way WE played a team from a Convent would've beaten us!!!

Slfsfu
8th Oct 2011, 13:55
We shall bask in our glory :ok: (and incur another weeks hotel bills:()

22 Degree Halo
8th Oct 2011, 14:02
@ cabbages

Au Revior Ing-er-lund. :ok:

Irritable in victory, surly in defeat - much like the cousins in any sport, really.

Cacophonix
8th Oct 2011, 14:10
The United Kingdom!

A nation divided by an oblate spheroid or rugby shaped ball!

Caco

cabbages
8th Oct 2011, 16:24
Despite being knocked out today, the English can be proud of bringing the game of Rugby to the world.

Id also like to take this opportunity to thank the Chinese for bringing us Golf.

charliegolf
8th Oct 2011, 21:15
England vs Ireland:

Who will win the battle for the window seats on the plane?

I've had such a nice day!

CG:ok:

charliegolf
8th Oct 2011, 21:17
Id also like to take this opportunity to thank the Chinese for bringing us Golf.

Wasn't that the Germans?

CG

Mike X
8th Oct 2011, 23:03
Boks vs Wallabies. Any opinions ?

mini
9th Oct 2011, 00:06
Congrats to the Taffies, a well deserved win. May you go far.

*you lot are in for a bloody hiding in Dublin next spring*

The old French mystery again... They are capable of beating anyone - including the All Blacks - when they turn up.

If they ever find themselves a Coach who can make them prolific we're all doomed.

In the mean time. Go Bokke!

Pseudonymn
9th Oct 2011, 07:49
Go Wallabies! :ok:

Cacophonix
9th Oct 2011, 08:56
Bokke!

:{

Caco

ExSp33db1rd
9th Oct 2011, 09:28
........and that's not the score anyway..

but it was at the time.

.......is not a good way to win friends by posting scores and results while the game is in progress.

New Zealand -v-Argentina

Then I won't tell you that XXXX are leading XXXX at half-time.

So there.

Quizling
9th Oct 2011, 09:31
Spoilsport ! :{

ExSp33db1rd
9th Oct 2011, 10:10
I'm taking my ball home, too.

Only 15 minutes to go to full time, and one team is winning !!

Quizling
9th Oct 2011, 10:23
Only 15 minutes to go to full time, and one team is winning !!

Careful, the grammar police will get ya. You mean "one team is leading!!" :ugh:

One team won though.

Rush2112
9th Oct 2011, 10:24
Hmm, I got one out of four right, I shan't be giving up the day job either.

Slightly harsh scoreline for the Pumas.

ExSp33db1rd
9th Oct 2011, 10:31
Careful, the grammar police will get ya. You mean "one team is leading!!"

Dictionary definition .........

win·ning   [win-ing] noun

1.the act of a person or thing that wins.

???? Isn't the leading team engaged in the act of winning ?

All too much, G'night.

Cacophonix
9th Oct 2011, 10:33
This couldn't have worked out better for the men in black. The Aussies are going to be hurting badly after today's ferocious clash.

Come on Wales!

Caco

Ancient Observer
9th Oct 2011, 12:26
Yikes! I say, old boy, couldn't someone tell those Froggie chaps to let us have the ball sometime? It was jolly unsporting of them to keep the ball. The sheep shaggers will now slaughter them.

Like This - Do That
9th Oct 2011, 13:29
Well well well. Going into this match (Aus-RSA) I assumed a tight Springbok victory. The adrenaline has settled down now, so I think I can write coherently...

Points for consideration:

The Springboks don't deserve to be going home;
Wallabies defensive effort one of the greatest in RWC history;
Mr Lawrence not particularly impressive;
Wallabies will not beat the All Blacks.


Stuart Barnes wrote an article last week dividing the (then) 8 remaining teams into teams of physical contact and teams of space utilisation. A telling quote from his article:

In the greater interests of the game, I hope that the smart variety of the All Blacks school comes out on top but as I wrote last week, unless it does, the Ugly Winners will proclaim their often toxic brand of negativity as the best way to win World Cup rugby; the sport needs positivity to triumph this time around.

One of Barnes' most significant contributions to rugby as a player was his instrumental role in a try England scored against Scotland in 1992(?93?). From well inside the English half, from a scrum, he stepped, went through a gap, then set Carling & Guscott (Guscott & Carling?) away, feeding Underwood for a try in the corner. I think this was the try that prompted Mrs Underwood's oft-televised wild celebrations in the grandstand with her arms in the air, jumping up & down.

Had Rob Andrew been playing 1st 5/8th that day, he may very well have kicked it. So Barnes' natural instinct might be to laud the 'space invaders' over the physical contact / kick / penalty / set piece teams, as it fits the style of play he favoured when playing. British PPRuNers who have watched both play may be able to set me straight if I have a skewed recollection of the two.

So if Barnes' distinction holds, we have competition in which the 'space utilisers' are the last remaining teams. Wales over Ireland; France over England; Oz over RSA; and ABs over Argentina. Will this make the semis and the final any more open and free-flowing? I doubt it. The Wallabies didn't win by running into space; Cooper was shut down completely, Ioane almost unsighted, Beale made one thrilling break but that was it. They won tonight on the basis of heroic defence, and a couple of saving (and questionable) decisions.

However - and this is where I'll quit - Springbok supporters can't complain too hard about Mr Lawrence's officiating. The disallowed try was in the immediate aftermath of two shocker decisions that utterly unjustly cost the Wallabies possession of the pill. Still, shame to see the Boks out of the tournament.

Rush2112
10th Oct 2011, 06:17
It's hard to recall Rob Andrew running with the ball in all honesty, he did seem to kick an awful lot. But we probably won more games with him at 10 than with Barnes there. I'll leave it for some Statto to prove me wrong though!

YorkshireTyke
10th Oct 2011, 06:17
All too much, G'night.

Wouldn't worry about it too much, ExS. - wel all B torkin txtspeek B4 2long.
( xsept I probly wont, cnt stnd it. )

Alloa Akbar
10th Oct 2011, 08:48
Had to laugh at UK commentator Steve Rider "England are better than this.." - Steve old boy, that's why you English are percieved as arrogant.. No you are not better than this, as Pinaar said. Fact - England were poor because they are a poor side.. end of chat.

I am personally hoping for a Wales - New Zealand final :ok:

Barksdale Boy
10th Oct 2011, 08:59
I thought that the most ironic moment of the weekend was the sight of one of the greatest locks ever to have played the game walking off an international field almost certainly for the last time after a game his team barely deserved to lose. He, as ever, had played magnificently, albeit in defeat, but yet found it in himself to congratulate his opponents, many of them scarcely out of nappies, in the most gracious and cheerful way. I give you the peerless Victor Matfield.

charliegolf
10th Oct 2011, 09:59
He, as ever, had played magnificently, albeit in defeat, but yet found it in himself to congratulate his opponents,

A thankfully consistent feature of rugby, I'm pleased to say.

I am starting to see the creeping spectre of 'girly soccer-player' behaviour though- players gesticulating wildly to the linesmen while the ball was still in play, looking for an advantage.

And SA would've won had Matfield and his mate not siezed the Ozzie with the afro hairdo mid-air. Things hang on instants, I suppose.

CG

ENFP
10th Oct 2011, 12:30
Well my little ticker is all of a flutter as I put 50 pounds on a Wales/NZ final before the start of the tournament. :oh:

Ancient Observer
10th Oct 2011, 12:38
I have found the way to my fortune!

As I would have bet on Ireland, England and SA getting through, and none did, clearly my way to a fortune is to carefully consider my bets, and then to write them down and to actually bet on the other outcome.
It's a bit like me and shares. I ought to buy the ones I do not actually buy. The ones I do buy head South whilst the ones I do not buy soar. You'd have thought I would have learnt over the years.

charliegolf
10th Oct 2011, 13:19
ENFP: what were the odds?

CG (Little ticker also a-flutter!)

ENFP
10th Oct 2011, 15:18
CG

I got 24/1 for the final, which could well come up I think, and 50/1 for the much less likely Wales to win. (having said that the pressure will be all on NZ and Wales will have nothing to lose and everything to take). (I laid bets many months ago though). Fingers (and everything else) crossed. Good luck.

david1300
11th Oct 2011, 05:10
Always room for a conspiracy theory:

LIMITING THE POWER OF THE WHISTLE

There are no doubt a lot of Australian rugby supporters celebrating our victory over the Springboks yesterday. There are also a number of us that are wondering how on earth we managed to pull it off against a side that dominated possession and territory and lineouts. Now, I don’t want to take anything away from the Australian victory – our boys did perform supe...rbly but on the day the Springboks were, we have to admit, the better side. The boks, as always were magnanimous in defeat with a somewhat pragmatic approach to the result. I wonder what our boys would have said faced with the same situation of blatant incompetence by Mr Bryce Lawrence.

I support Australia and always will but for those of us that believe in fair play this was a hollow victory. This was very much like fighting a worthy opponent with one arm strapped behind his back – it leaves a bad taste. There were rumours about Mr Lawrence’s impartiality before kick-off from a lot of ex pat South Africans now living in Australia but we tend to dismiss these conspiracy theories with a grin. Certainly, Mr Lawrence’s performance on the field did nothing to dispel those theories. His performance was nothing short of abysmal. He did not award the bok try because of a dubious forward pass. I have looked and looked and to me, anyway, it did not look forward. Minutes later when the boks once again breached our defences and were well on the way to scoring another try, he called them back for a forward pass. If the first call was contentious, there certainly was nothing wrong with the second one. Here, I must ask – why not use the “eye in the sky”? An impressive expensive piece of equipment that should be used for such decisions.

He failed to penalise Pocock for slowing the ball down. If we had played like that against the All Blacks, they would not have been so quiet about it. – and rightly so. In the dying minutes of the game he was in full view of at least 2 high tackles by our boys that went unpunished. Any of these transgressions, if properly acted on, would have surely given the game to the Boks with their advantage over territory. To rub salt in the South African wounds, he awarded a high tackle to the Wallabies for a chest high tackle.

We won, but did we really? Our sport has always been regarded as a “hooligans game played by gentlemen” – If we do not want rugby union to degenerate into a farce that soccer can become we need to make sure that our refs are of suitable calibre. They need to be trustworthy gentlemen.

Mr Lawrence, I would advise against any planned holidays to South Africa for a couple of years.

Chris Davis

david1300
11th Oct 2011, 05:35
Bryce really does sem to have upset some people:
Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150473619614908.454975.592849907&type=3#!/pages/Petition-To-Stop-Bryce-Lawrence-Ever-Reffing-A-Rugby-Game-Again/286992594653732)

Alloa Akbar
11th Oct 2011, 09:37
Lifting the tone ever so slightly.. (Interesting post though David :ok:)

I went into a fancy dress shop yesterday and asked for a vampire costume, and the assistant handed me an England shirt.. I said "Excuse me miss, I think you misunderstood, I said I wanted to look like a Count"..

Rush2112
11th Oct 2011, 11:54
Always room for a conspiracy theory:

LIMITING THE POWER OF THE WHISTLE

There are no doubt a lot of Australian rugby supporters celebrating our victory over the Springboks yesterday. There are also a number of us that are wondering how on earth we managed to pull it off against a side that dominated possession and territory and lineouts. Now, I don’t want to take anything away from the Australian victory – our boys did perform supe...rbly but on the day the Springboks were, we have to admit, the better side. The boks, as always were magnanimous in defeat with a somewhat pragmatic approach to the result. I wonder what our boys would have said faced with the same situation of blatant incompetence by Mr Bryce Lawrence.

I support Australia and always will but for those of us that believe in fair play this was a hollow victory. This was very much like fighting a worthy opponent with one arm strapped behind his back – it leaves a bad taste. There were rumours about Mr Lawrence’s impartiality before kick-off from a lot of ex pat South Africans now living in Australia but we tend to dismiss these conspiracy theories with a grin. Certainly, Mr Lawrence’s performance on the field did nothing to dispel those theories. His performance was nothing short of abysmal. He did not award the bok try because of a dubious forward pass. I have looked and looked and to me, anyway, it did not look forward. Minutes later when the boks once again breached our defences and were well on the way to scoring another try, he called them back for a forward pass. If the first call was contentious, there certainly was nothing wrong with the second one. Here, I must ask – why not use the “eye in the sky”? An impressive expensive piece of equipment that should be used for such decisions.

He failed to penalise Pocock for slowing the ball down. If we had played like that against the All Blacks, they would not have been so quiet about it. – and rightly so. In the dying minutes of the game he was in full view of at least 2 high tackles by our boys that went unpunished. Any of these transgressions, if properly acted on, would have surely given the game to the Boks with their advantage over territory. To rub salt in the South African wounds, he awarded a high tackle to the Wallabies for a chest high tackle.

We won, but did we really? Our sport has always been regarded as a “hooligans game played by gentlemen” – If we do not want rugby union to degenerate into a farce that soccer can become we need to make sure that our refs are of suitable calibre. They need to be trustworthy gentlemen.

Mr Lawrence, I would advise against any planned holidays to South Africa for a couple of years.

Chris Davis

I thought he had an absolute shocker. Carried on where he left off from Eng v Arg though.

Stoney X
11th Oct 2011, 12:02
The refs are human, just like the players. We can't expect them to get it right 100% of the time, just like we can't expect the players to always play be the rules :} As a saffa I'm gutted with the result, but I'm not going to blame the ref. It's Australia's fault for not letting us put points on the board.

Regards

Wingswinger
11th Oct 2011, 12:37
And SA would've won had Matfield and his mate not siezed the Ozzie with the afro hairdo mid-air.

I think the penalty was not against Matfield who quickly left the aussie alone but against his mate Roussow who removed his legs while he was still airborne.

ENFP
11th Oct 2011, 13:25
Stoney

Whilst your sentiments are admirable, Rugby, has, for many years, had the advantage of video reffing. Some of the calls (not all) would have benefitted from (and needed) a 30 second time out whilst the 4th official gave a verdict.

Stoney X
12th Oct 2011, 10:51
I don't agree with that. What about, for example, an obvious high tackle that the ref and assistants miss during open play? No call is made, so how do you use the video ref to adjudicate? Should we review each passage of play, not just the call, everytime the whistle goes just to be sure, or do we trust that the officials are acting in good faith? Admirable or not, I know which I would prefer.

ENFP
12th Oct 2011, 14:59
Agreed, but perhaps a disallowed Tri that resulted from a very uncertain "forward pass", may be worthy of a review. Had that happened, the result would have been different.

Solid Rust Twotter
12th Oct 2011, 16:48
http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=129044

Cacophonix
13th Oct 2011, 09:24
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon...

While the Welsh flag flies over Whitehall (an honourable touch by Mr Cameron)!

Brian Moore: My blueprint to reform the Rugby Football Union and revitalise the England team - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/8822935/Brian-Moore-My-blueprint-to-reform-the-Rugby-Football-Union-and-revitalise-the-England-team.html)

Caco

Just an other number
13th Oct 2011, 22:30
If by some mischance, or dodgy refereeing, Wales don't go through (and I will be a bit disappointed as I hold the lucky number 8 for the land of my fathers), and we end up with France and the All Blacks in the final, presumably one team will have to change their colours. So can the experts please help - which team will have to change, and why that one?

charliegolf
14th Oct 2011, 12:08
The 'normal' tradition is the opposite to what happens in footie, ie the home side changes. However, the decision might come down to a coin toss.

Back to the top.

CG

sitigeltfel
15th Oct 2011, 09:36
If by some mischance, or dodgy refereeing, Wales don't go through

Bad decision against the Wales captain, yellow card at the worst.

I hope that ref never gets to adjudicate another top flight game.

Wholigan
15th Oct 2011, 10:56
He won't need to. He can probably afford to retire to the South of France!

Storminnorm
15th Oct 2011, 11:04
Wales were ROBBED.

Nothing more to say, except that I WON'T be watching the Final.

sitigeltfel
15th Oct 2011, 11:06
He can probably afford to retire to the South of France!

There are many Welsh expats here who would give him a fond welcome!

Ed Morrison, head of elite referee development at the Rugby Football Union, confirmed on Radio 5 live that referee Alain Rolland was "100% right" to send off Warburton, adding that dropping a player from shoulder level is automatic red card.Thats all right then:rolleyes:

Rush2112
15th Oct 2011, 11:17
Still waiting for the one big game from the French - Kiwis watch out!

E-Spy
15th Oct 2011, 11:27
Quote: Ed Morrison, head of elite referee development at the Rugby Football Union, confirmed on Radio 5 live that referee Alain Rolland was "100% right" to send off Warburton, adding that dropping a player from shoulder level is automatic red card.



The laws state that a ref may start at a red card and work backwards. Many other tip-tackles in this competition have warranted no more than a penalty, perhaps this one a yellow card at most. It sets a dangerous precedent that the ref went straight for the red, especially as he realised what was happening and released him on the way down.

sitigeltfel
15th Oct 2011, 11:59
What was the StarTrek like smoke gun being used on injured French players by their medics?

Cacophonix
15th Oct 2011, 12:13
If by some mischance, or dodgy refereeing, Wales don't go through

Today's decision really has devalued this world cup! I can only think of graves, micturition and that referee! :ugh:

Caco

merlinxx
15th Oct 2011, 13:26
After Wales beeting Ireland, a game between Wales & France ref'd by an Irishman with a French christian name :ugh::mad:

SUCKS BIG TIME

1DC
15th Oct 2011, 13:35
He has a French christian name and surname because he has a French dad..........

Cacophonix
15th Oct 2011, 13:41
They stopped at the Hermit’s Nest for a rum to keep out the cold. “I played for Aberavon in 1898”, said a stranger to Enoch Davies.
“Liar”, said Enoch Davies
“I can show you the photos”, said the stranger.
“Forged” said Enoch Davies.
“And I’ll show you my cap at home”.
“Stolen”.
“I got friends to prove it”, the stranger said in a fury.
“Bribed”, said Enoch Davies.

:)

Caco

Ancient Observer
15th Oct 2011, 13:44
As England had lost, the brits tune in to ITV to support the Welsh, and find that the french have appointed a french ref.
What a fix!!!!

Lon More
15th Oct 2011, 13:51
the Welsh flag flies over Whitehall (an honourable touch by Mr Cameron)! or a cheap bit of electioneering; even Blair at his worst didn't try this.

Just because Armitage initially got away with it; different game, different ref.

the brits tune in to ITV to support the Welsh
Non, pour moi les Français

Cacophonix
15th Oct 2011, 13:57
or a cheap bit of electioneering; even Blair at his worst didn't try this.

Lon

The Beezlebub himself could have flown the Welsh flag at the gates of hades today and I would have seen it as a positive thing...

Mind you I now have an "Irish" candidate in mind to walk though those gates ASAP! ;)

Caco

Edited to say...

Non, pour moi les Français

Contre la Nouvelle Zelande bien sur!

Caco

ChristiaanJ
15th Oct 2011, 15:42
Caco,

Gallic shrugs on both sides of the Manche, I suppose.
Wales = Pays de Galles....

CJ

Solid Rust Twotter
15th Oct 2011, 15:47
From another website it appears the refs were told before the RWC that they should come down hard on this type of offence. It goes back a while already. Something to think about...

http://p.twimg.com/AbyShhqCQAI1G62.jpg:large

Sultan Ismail
15th Oct 2011, 16:00
The team with the most points wins the game.

The ball that falls short of the crossbar scores no points.

The Referee gave Wales the game and they gave it back.

N'est-ce pas?

Capetonian
15th Oct 2011, 16:11
I have no interest at all in Rugby, or any sport, but wanted to hear that the arrogant French had been thrashed.

My Welsh friends are, to put it in their words, 'gutted' by the decision of the referee. To have a Frenchman (albeit it one born in Ireland) refereeing the semi-final of a World Cup when France are playing is just ludicrous. There must be some checks and balances which can over-rule the decision of one man.

I don't know or really care who France are playing in the next round but I hope they are trounced.

ChristiaanJ
15th Oct 2011, 16:29
Solid Rust, Thanks for that bit of info.

I quite like watching rugby, but missed Wales-France. However I saw the disputed tackle on a news clip, and I thought it was bl**dy dangerous.
The purpose of the game is to win, not to maim the opposition, after all.

IIRC the same happened in an earlier RWC match, and was 'rewarded' with a red card, too. No complaints about the referee at that occasion.

CJ

Cacophonix
15th Oct 2011, 16:41
It was a 'robust' tackle that deserved to be carded but the red was simply over the top IMHO and hasn't really added anything to the cup. This one will run and run.


Caco

TwinAisle
15th Oct 2011, 18:13
I'm trying to ignore a certain irony, in that the Henry V speech quoted by Cacophonix was of course made by a Welshman...

Really wonder what checks are made on referees when one with a French dad and an Irish mum is allowed to oversee a match between one parent's home country, and the team that beat the other parent's home country.

He may not be biased at all of course but as in so many other things, perception is all...

Cacophonix
15th Oct 2011, 18:16
I'm trying to ignore a certain irony, in that the Henry V speech quoted by Cacophonix was of course made by a Welshman..

I trust you will note that I am a Welsh supporter, which for a South African is treachery enough! :)

Caco

TwinAisle
15th Oct 2011, 18:18
I thought I liked you, now I'm sure! :)

TA