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martynj3
9th Aug 2011, 01:56
Did someone say something a tad contentious?

C'mon, own up !

Pprune access from Singapore is blocked for the last week or so ....
The relevant Organ of the State is the MDA (Media Development Authority).

Grounds include porno, violence and racial incitement.

Take your pick

11Fan
9th Aug 2011, 02:12
It was me. I posted a picture of someone chewing gum on the street.

Sorry.

Buster Hyman
9th Aug 2011, 02:14
Ha. All I said was, Lee Kwan Y%@#( &^^%&(&$* ......:{{+_(*!


*Service interrupted*

Al Fakhem
9th Aug 2011, 06:47
MDA = Ministry of Truth.

Seriously, LKY is short of a few $$$ and will no doubt blackmail the owners of Pprune into apologizing and paying top dollar in compensation for telling an inconvenient truth. Has happened to most international publishers. Even The Economist paid at one point - that's when I stopped my subscription.

Sallyann1234
9th Aug 2011, 09:22
Ah, that will have been
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/457778-ruperts-travails.html#post6583006
and
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/457778-ruperts-travails.html#post6583330

Takan Inchovit
9th Aug 2011, 10:06
Lets talk about Singapore while they cant read it. :E

sisemen
9th Aug 2011, 10:17
Nice airline though. :\

Checkboard
9th Aug 2011, 10:20
The whole of London has been incited to riot - if I were Singapore I would think twice about foreign websites as well! :(

Blacksheep
9th Aug 2011, 12:43
In Singapore, rioters would - if they dared to try it - be rubber bulleted, CS gas sprayed and water cannoned. The police would be supported by national service men and women of the Vigilante Corps and, if necessary the army.

In the riots in Kuala Lumpur in 1969 the Prime Minister declared a State of Emergency and imposed Martial Law. The army then imposed a 100% curfew and shot looters on sight, leaving the bodies to lie where they fell. Three days later the curfew was eased to allow people out and about in normal working hours only, but to be back in their homes by sunset.

Now, that may sound harsh, but it did put an immediate stop to all rioting and looting - and also established who was in charge. The law has might and might is right.

Sallyann1234
9th Aug 2011, 13:38
Yes, I'm sure that repressive governments like those are looking at our public disorder and gloating. Their controlled media will be glad to show it as justification for their own merciless controls.

However having lived in Singapore I would rather be here where I can say what I please and read every shade of opinion (assuming of course that pprune's masters don't delete references to Chee Soon Juan in order to get the site unblocked in Singapore)

Al Fakhem
9th Aug 2011, 14:12
However having lived in Singapore I would rather be here where I can say what I please and read every shade of opinion

Spot on! When we moved to Singapore in 1995, we enrolled our two sons at the Australian International School. In the welcome package was a letter by the Headmistress reminding parents not to discuss Singaporean politics in front of their children, lest they repeat what they had heard in public. Might as well have been in Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia :yuk:

Fareastdriver
9th Aug 2011, 15:26
Why do you need to discuss Singaporean politics if you are not a Singaporean. I would be choked off if a load of Singaporeans discussed British politics in front of me.

A country gets the government it deserves.

Al Fakhem
9th Aug 2011, 15:31
Fareastdriver: when you live in a country and pay your taxes there, you have every right to discuss domestic politics. It's called integrating.

Sallyann1234
9th Aug 2011, 17:56
Why do you need to discuss Singaporean politics if you are not a Singaporean. I would be choked off if a load of Singaporeans discussed British politics in front of me.

Well I must say that's an interesting concept - that one shouldn't discuss the politics of another country. JB (and most of the internet) would certainly become a less stimulating place if that was the rule.

Fareastdriver
9th Aug 2011, 18:04
You can say what you like about them when you are over the border but once inside it is not your problem unless you are a Citizen of that country. Taxes dont count; I've been to enough countries and paid their taxes but I still keep my mouth shut about their politics when I'm there.

bnt
9th Aug 2011, 18:13
Weird. I'm not a citizen of Ireland, but I find it nearly impossible not to talk about politics here. It comes up in conversation without any prompting from me.

Did anyone here mention Singapore's policy on capital punishment? That'll do it - it's a sensitive topic all right. :oh:

Bob Lenahan
9th Aug 2011, 18:20
Discussing politics while in another country? If you are a foreigner in Mexico, don't talk against the gov't. You can, and will be deported- as many have found out.
Bob.

Metro man
10th Aug 2011, 01:17
Fareastdriver: when you live in a country and pay your taxes there, you have every right to discuss domestic politics.

Speaking of taxes in Singapore you would be paying 8-12% of your salary in tax on an income of GBP100 000 a year. And it's safe to walk around at night. If you'd rather pay 40% in tax and have large no go areas even in the day time that's up to you. I will admit you can buy the Socialist Worker and the Morning Star a lot easier in London though.;)

Staying out of politics is generally good advice when in a foreign country, criticism from non citizens is usually unwelcome and taken to heart. Say something nice or say nothing at all.

11Fan
10th Aug 2011, 01:40
...say nothing at all.

In my travels, that was the appropriate course of action, even when prompted. I never even commented about my own so as not to offend. Of course, I was on business most of the time so following company policy / protocol and all.

OllyBeak
10th Aug 2011, 01:47
I didn’t know that PPPPrune had been banished from these shores until today.

It was Singapore’s 46th birthday yesterday. I was vaguely interested in watching the fireworks, but was on my evening wander round the streets when the banging and whizzing started. After an hour or so of walking, ‘Erindoors decided to venture further in search of onions; I was banned to the kitchen to begin culinary activities.

Her meandering took over an hour, but no problem; this is Singapore. You could send a twelve year old out for a stroll at three in the morning without a single thought about safety.

As for censorship, most people here laugh at the antics of the press and ‘broadcasters’. They say what they feel, and don’t seem to worry who hears them.

Capital punishment? Great stuff. Caning for vandalism? Excellent. There is crime here, but not very much at all.

Safety from rioters in exchange for a bit of tongue in cheek censorship? Yes please.

Happy days, all.

Rush2112
10th Aug 2011, 04:39
I didn’t know that PPPPrune had been banished from these shores until today.

It was Singapore’s 46th birthday yesterday. I was vaguely interested in watching the fireworks, but was on my evening wander round the streets when the banging and whizzing started. After an hour or so of walking, ‘Erindoors decided to venture further in search of onions; I was banned to the kitchen to begin culinary activities.

Her meandering took over an hour, but no problem; this is Singapore. You could send a twelve year old out for a stroll at three in the morning without a single thought about safety.

As for censorship, most people here laugh at the antics of the press and ‘broadcasters’. They say what they feel, and don’t seem to worry who hears them.

Capital punishment? Great stuff. Caning for vandalism? Excellent. There is crime here, but not very much at all.

Safety from rioters in exchange for a bit of tongue in cheek censorship? Yes please.

Happy days, all.

What he said!

Yes, there are a lot of faults as with anywhere but overall I would rather be here than back in UK just now.

Metro man
10th Aug 2011, 04:42
Here's a good example of a Brit mouthing off abroad.:E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCP4_Y7EjA&playnext=1&list=PL804BE5AD794ADC13

Al Fakhem
10th Aug 2011, 07:10
Speaking of taxes in Singapore you would be paying 8-12% of your salary in tax on an income of GBP100 000 a year. And it's safe to walk around at night. If you'd rather pay 40% in tax

You jest, of course. Like everywhere else, there are taxes that the Singapore government levies outside of the income tax system, such as the ridiculous "Certificate of Entitlement" you need to purchase a car.

I say "ridiculous" because the official reason for the Certificate of Entitlement being in place is that there needs to be a fiscal barrier to car ownership, else the roads would be totally congested. (Then, of course, they started charging for usage on top of the COE).

However, the roads are obviously not sufficiently congested for the same Singapore government to close down a substantial stretch of inner city roads for the sake of holding a Formula 1 GP :ugh: with a huge waste of electricity, one should add.

parabellum
10th Aug 2011, 10:13
When I lived in Singapore, as an expat, on a fairly good salary, personal income tax could be calculated as 21% of earnings, from the bottom up.

Now, I understand, expats can get a five year 'tax holiday', not quite sure how that works though.

Singapore is a place, for the Expat., to go to work, do your job to the best of your ability, come home and enjoy the time off. The good and bad points about Singapore have been known for the last forty years, so anyone who has accepted a contract within that time should know what to expect, or they haven't done their homework.

Metro man
10th Aug 2011, 10:37
When I lived in Singapore, as an expat, on a fairly good salary, personal income tax could be calculated as 21% of earnings, from the bottom up.

Not anymore, income tax rate tops out at a 20% bracket once you earn over SGD 320 000/GBP 160 000/AUD 255 000/USD 264 000/EUR 184 000 per year.

IRAS: Income tax rates (http://www.iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page04.aspx?id=1190)

Rush2112
10th Aug 2011, 12:28
Mine's 12%, but I don't count the GST on beers etc. And I don't have a car, agree what a scam the COE is, and it doesn't ease congestion at all either.