Jepp Mobile FD for iPad

[Nivo]

Has anyone tried the new JeppFD app? It adds enroute mapping to the terminal info available in JeppTC.

I am having trouble adding route details after selecting departure and destination airports. Anybody had any luck with this?

cheers,

Nivo

Update: Jepp support advised rebooting the iPad which cured the problem. They advise they are working on a fix for this issue.

[startingout]

Had a issue when my area coverage is up the 180 parallel 5nm wide from NZ to alaska... Jepp wont get back to me with a fix, guess it's a new program and a few serious issues

[Jabawocky]

Oooohhhhh, this and Ozrunways......what else do you need!

Even Forkie might join the iFad revolution :E

[itsbrokenagain]

Its seems you can only see the approach plates , no maps/charts are available outside of the USA and canada from what i can figure from playing with my subscription

[startingout]

As for the problem you are having, it is an issue that we are working on. This happens when the coverages do not touch on land. Yours is not working because you have the Far East and Australasia.

Received the above from Jepp last night. Guess a fix is on it's way :hmm:

[Nivo]

The Australian maps and approach charts are working for me. The more you zoom in, the greater the detail. You can even have track up for VH-XXX!

As Jaba said, this and Ozrunways - all you need.

Cheers,

Nivo

[Old Akro]

Mine's been plug & play. On the desk here its very impressive. Can't wait to fly with it. I like the manual look up using iBooks.

[blueloo]

Anyone know what the subscription fees are for (the Mobile Jepp FD coverage)

a) Australia

and/or
b) Australiasia Pacific Basin ?

[ConfigFull]

blueloo,

I asked Jeppesen in Canberra and they said the JeppView subscription which is what the app asks you for is $273.95 for the first year.

You can use that subscription on 4 systems too.

[Jabawocky]

Jabair had its first Jepp FD mobile experience today. Works well, except the list below.

No Freq Data on the chart (or I can't find where to turn it on)
No User Waypoints (that I can find)
Did an RNAV and did not see the GPS position on the chart like the old FD does, (which is no biggie for me but the FTDK seems to think so)
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab58/jaba430/IMG_0521.jpg


And the OzRunways by comparison, for IFR and VFR its still way in front with WAC's etc etc etc, I do prefer the Jepp plates and the en route charts are clearer.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab58/jaba430/IMG_0522.jpg

[Jabawocky]

Anyone know of the user waypoints and the hibernating are being dealt with?

I have just emailed them about these things, who knows if it makes any difference.

[das Uber Soldat]

the bugs are known, and are being worked on.

[Jay Bo]

Are the Jepp FD functions all working?
Im trying to add route waypoints specifically airports with both NDB and VOR. For example I stick in MDG but want the track to originate from the VOR and not the NDB. Is there a way to differentiate between the two?

Cheers

[Capt Claret]

Jaba,

How'd you get the JeppFD to show your position on the airway?

I tried today, with an external (Bad Elf) GPS, with Airplane mode on, and off. All to no avail.

Cheers,

[AerocatS2A]

Jay Bo, I've contacted Jepp about that problem. Basically there is no way to specify a VOR or the NDB and the route algorithm defaults to the navaid closest to the direct track. What happens then is that if it defaults to the NDB, but the VOR of the same name is what defines the airway, it won't accept the airway as part of the route. It is frustrating as it's a pretty fundamental function of a flight planning/routing program to be able to specify what type of navaid you want. I suspect this has happened because it's made by Yanks, and the Yanks have forgotten that some parts of the world still have a significant number of NDBs. :ok:

P.S. You can work around it by just manually entering waypoints though the tracks won't be quite right particularly where the NDB and VOR are some distance from each other.

They need a way to save routes as well. And they could do with giving you more than just the departure, destination, and two alternates.

[Jabawocky]

Clarrie:ok:

By actually flying on the airway, you need to try a bit harder with your nav skills:}

Ok seriously, go to you iPad setting and make sure the LOCATION SERVICES has you Jepp app on. The when in Jepp FD poke the own sip icon and you should be where you meant to be.


Anyone know if user waypoints will be released any time soon. I can't leave home without them.

[Jack Ranga]

Ok seriously, go to you iPad setting and make sure the LOCATION SERVICES has you Jepp app on. The when in Jepp FD poke the own sip icon and you should be where you meant to be.


Again in English please Jaba?

[Capt Claret]

Ok seriously, go to you iPad setting and make sure the LOCATION SERVICES has you Jepp app on. The when in Jepp FD poke the own sip icon and you should be where you meant to be.

Location services on but still didn't work. :{

[TSIO540]

When I press the arrow icon to display present position, it can take up to 10 minutes to actually find where I am. How long have you been waiting?

TSIO

[Jabawocky]

I am indoors right now and this image took 10 seconds max.

You do need to press the OWNSHIP ICON in the bottom right, and maybe you have turned it off:p.
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab58/jaba430/photoJepp.png

And for Forkie's benefit......The Retard Vehicle off track a little, but check out the speed and altitude :E
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab58/jaba430/photoOZR.png

Ranga....sorry about the spelling etc...bloody iphone keyboard. iThings are great devices but they never replace a good keyboard and puter!

[Jack Ranga]

Thanks dood, I'm struggling to understand this at the best of times!!

[justhavingalook]

the issue I have with the app is I cant see any DME distance steps, am I blind or are they not included?

[Jabawocky]

No you are not blind....I can't find them either. Even if it was included in the notes tab when you click on the 'i' icon. There are no ATC frequencies or other stuff either

The FD App is rather lacking in quite afew areas. I prefer the Jepp Approach plates and use them.

For everything else I use the OzRunways app.

[ELCHUPACABRAS]

I have the same problem if you know how can solved appreciated your help.

[22k]

Hey guys,

So the aip (atc, met, terminal etc) sections come with the 280 buck package or is that just ercs, plates and tacs? I'm trying to get the books on my pad, dont want the plates and charts.. Anyone done this?

[Capt Claret]

22k,

I don't think you can download only 'the books'.

Manuals are selectable, in that one selects which if any, to download. But I've not noticed any select ability of charts.

[Ando1Bar]

I've just joined the iPad revolution by purchasing an ipad2 wi-fi. Has anyone been able to successfully pair a Bluetooth GPS receiver with the iPad to run their own ship position? I was hoping to get my location showing up on Jeppesen FD and other apps such as Oz Radar. I thought I'd check it will work first before I splash out $100+ on a receiver. Sounds like it works ok on ozrunways but wasn't sure about jepp FD.

[FJ44]

Used the DualXGPS150 via Bluetooth the other day with iPad2 in flight mode, (Bluetooth on of course) and it worked great with Jepps and Oz runways.

[blueloo]

I add my vote to the dual x GPS150. Works well - and more importantly leaves your iPad/Iphone docking port free (and means if you need to charge both iPad/iphone and dual x Gps they can be plugged into another power supply inflight should they require it via a small battery pack)

[Ando1Bar]

Thanks for the info. Could you pick it up locally or did you have to use eBay or Amazon?

[Trent 972]

Hi Ando, If you're looking for the Dual xgps 150 there are all the usual places as you know. If you want it new from the agent, then the best I've found so far is Expansys (http://www.expansys.com.au/dual-universal-bluetooth-gps-receiver-wirelessly-add-gps-to-your-devices-217236/) in Hong Kong. Shipping an additional $15 registered post, 10 days + or $30 Fedex -4 days.
Amazon won't ship it to Aus. :confused:

[Ando1Bar]

Thanks Trent :ok:

[Jabawocky]

Jepp FD mobile update folks!

Some of the things we all asked for have finally arrived.

Go get em folks


And Trent972, would you mind picking to pieces the photo above, should be a few there for ya!:ok:

[havick]

did they fix the aip side of things? ie not just one big pdf file?

[Jabawocky]

I take that all back, USER waypoints are fine IF you can guess where to poke your finger, and then you can not adjust the Lat and Long. :ugh::ugh::ugh:

In Australia when so many places are not in the Jepp system, you need a decent USER waypoint system.

OzRunways, still a better app overall, although the Jepp will allegedly show your plane on a airport diagram now, but that was never really a biggie.

[MilFlyer]

I recommend the GNS 5870 iPad GPS (https://www.flightplanning.com.au/product.php?productid=16158&cat=255&page=1). Has a very cool 'swipe on / swipe off' interface and a good signal.

[AussieNick]

Jaba, when I lasy played with Jepp TC I found it annoying that i couldn't have the whole chart displayed at once, but had to scroll to to bottom to see the Minima details etc, has this been fixed.

Also I can't seem to find pricing on the Jepp website, how much do you pay for a 12 month subscription mate?

[Jabawocky]

Mobile FD you can zoom in and out, so yes that is all good.

As for how much, Jepp View is what you buy, maybe $200+/- a bit.

The ipad app is free.

[AussieNick]

Who did you call mate? I'm having issues with the Jepp site

[Jabawocky]

Phone Jepps in Canberra.

They are pretty helpful, and on a scale out 1-10 for service in Canberra, about 9.5:eek:

But when you are in Canberra, it is not hard to shine! :O

[AussieNick]

Thanks Jaba, i'll give them a ring on monday.

[belly tank]

Got the download today, with FD yes you can point the finger and add waypoints but its still basic compared to Oz runways as Jabba has said.

i still prefer Jepp plates though and i think this App in the longrun has some potential....at least they are working on it:ok:

[Capn Bloggs]

i still prefer Jepp plates though and i think this App in the longrun has some potential....at least they are working on it
They're playing with you guys. A massive Flight Info publication company, owned by the biggest aviation manufacturer in the world, and they have been soundly outdone by a couple of Aussies. :cool:

[Jabawocky]

Indeed! :ok:

[MilFlyer]

Jeppesen have been pretty slow off the mark in terms of GA flight planning software in Australia for a long time. They seem to have no interest in selling any of their packages such as FliteStar etc, which I've found surprising because it appears to be a reasonable package.

Jeppesen in Australia have had their bread buttered for years with the old school chart service and extracting very large fees from organisations such as the RAAF for their JetPlan service.

Seems strange, noting they actually already have the software sitting there. As far as I'm aware you can't buy it anywhere except perhaps by looking up their corporate office in Canberra and calling them.

They installed a new General Manager a year or two ago, so perhaps he'll set a new direction.

Porting FliteStar over to an iPad format [which I'm sure they will soon enough due to the US market] would be quite interesting.

[AerocatS2A]

A major update for JeppFD from Jeppesen and I still can't put in a route from Adelaide to Melbourne via the TBD VOR. It defaults to the NDB and there is no way to specify the VOR. This is very basic functionality for a flight routing app and it doesn't do it.

[Aimpoint]

It went straight to the VOR when I tried. The new update lets you drag the route line to another navaid - I was able to go between both navaids very easily.

[AerocatS2A]

May be it works if you don't put YMML in as the destination airfield. If you put YPAD as the departure field, and YMML as the destination then either drag or write in the route, it defaults to the NDB, even if you drag to the VOR, get the VOR details up, and tap the add to route button. Sounds like omitting the destination airfield until the route is entered might be a good work around, I'll try it.

Edit: Nope, it still goes to the NDB. I start at AD, tap the TBD VOR, the window pops up with the TBD VOR details, I tap "add to route" and it still draws the route to the NDB.

[Capt Claret]

The email below was received in August last year from Jeppesen as a result of my enquiry, related to the App not accepting routes. I'm disappointed they haven't fixed it yet.

Good afternoon Claret,
*
Your service request has been escalated to my attention. I understand that you’ve been having some problems with various routes not being accepted in the Mobile FliteDeck application. It appears that most of the routes in your example include a VOR entry/exit point that shares the same ID as a nearby NDB (e.g. GV, CS, AS, AYE). This is causing the problem, because the application will sometimes default to the NDB if it is nearer to the direct route. However, since the NDB is not the entry/exit point to the airway, the route fails. This is a known issue that our Development group is aware of and are working to address in a future update to the application. I apologize for any inconvenience this may be causing.
*
Best Regards,
*
Aaron Rocky Smith
Tier 2 Technical Support Specialist - Nav
Technical Support Services
______________________________________
Jeppesen
A Boeing Company

[email protected]
55 Inverness Drive East | Englewood, CO 80112 USA
Jeppesen – Transforming the Way the World Moves (http://www.jeppesen.com)
*

[AerocatS2A]

Thanks Claret, you can force the VOR to be used by using a dummy route to start with that has the VOR closer than the NDB, it will then use the VOR. Once the VOR is in the route you can change the rest of the route to what it should be. This is pretty useless though, I'm surprised you can't just type "TBD" and get a popup window asking to select either the NDB or VOR. I suspect that the American designers forgot that NDBs are still in use in other parts of the world.

Interestingly enough, even when I do get TBD VOR in the route, it still won't accept the airway Y12 that starts at the TBD VOR. It seems there are two problems. You can also have routing problems from an RNAV waypoint.

[Pass-A-Frozzo]

It appears that most of the routes in your example include a VOR entry/exit point that shares the same ID as a nearby NDB (e.g. GV, CS, AS, AYE). This is causing the problem, because the application will sometimes default to the NDB if it is nearer to the direct route. However, since the NDB is not the entry/exit point to the airway, the route fails.

Strange.. the FMS I use insists on NB following a navaid name.. e.g. Richmond NDB is RICNB ...

I thought our FMS was using Jeppesen NavData.. wonder why there software would be different?

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

That is the Jeppesen convention. (NB for a NDB)

This is why GPS RNAV initial waypoints for a northern approach are named NA, NC & ND but not NB.:ok:

[Capn Bloggs]

That is the Jeppesen convention. (NB for a NDB)

Only for low-end databases! :} Real FMSs don't have the ND suffix; the pilots thereof are clever enough to work out what aid is what waypoint.

The NB caused a bit of consternation at some places as there were two, for example, CUNNBs within a few nms of each other in the early days.

[planck]

Greetings,

Perhaps I'm just missing it...

Doesn't Jepp Mobile FD display ETA for waypoints? :confused:

A.

[Cesspool182]

Anyone know of a good GPS for teh iPad 2 to go with Jepp FD?

[Slopwith]

There are currently four GPS that will work with the iPad (that I know of).
The first i the Bad Elf which plugs straight int the iPad dock connctor and is about3cm square. It uses the iPads batery and unless one uses an extension lead it is hard to place in a good position on an airliner with heated windows.

The next three are all bluetooth but Apple specific Bluetooth Protocol.

The first is the GNS5780. I had one until I left it on the glareshile. It was pretty good at acquiring and had very good battery life but had a quirky swipe strip to turn off and on and thye had major problems with being unable to swipe it off. It requird only a bare touch to turn it on, the upshot of which was it was easy to inadvertantly turn on when one put it in ones bag and thus was usually flat when you wanted it. I do believe they have now solved this issue.

Dual XGPS-150. Generally good performance though can really take some time to acquire position. Has a downloadable app which indicates satellite acquisition and battery state which was nice. Battery life good but one bugbear was that if not requested for position info for more than 15mins, it would go into a standby mode and then when asked again would have to re-acquire position. This is frustrting if one is in a descent with the STAR up on JeppFD for 20 mins and then on landing when selecting 10-9 Airport and expecting position info/ownship there would often be nothing. More so than in the air, it is on the ground taxiing that ownship really scores. Has a good positive on/off button function.

Recently released is a new GPS by Garmin Called the GLO. This is a combined GPS and GLonass receiver. It has excellent battery life-10hours plus and is really fast to acquire a position. It aso has a removable battery which is a standard Nokia BL-5CA phone battery which can be picked up cheaply as a spare/backup. There is unfortunately no app to acompany and the manual is pis poor-it seems you can only charge the device if it is switched on but nothing about that in the paperwork. It has a push on off button but again it is quite easy to turn on accidentally. However as the newest GPS available this one has been the most impressive it terms of acquisition time and battery life.

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

I could mention also, the Bad Elf Pro -
BE-GPS-2200 for those who like the numbers.

Wifi unit about half the size of a mobile phone, self contained = own battery and can be 'chucked' up on a window sill somewhere to WIFI connect with the I-pad, for which it is 'Apple approved'.
Can be charged in use via the 'cigar lighter' / supplied USB cable.

Advantage is several pages / bits of info on the unit's own screen, and is completely independant of I-pad port, leaving it avbl for charging etc.
USD$149 plus postage....

Seems to work quite well so far......

(No, not on commission.......)
Cheers:ok:

[Capn Bloggs]

Dual XGPS-150. Generally good performance though can really take some time to acquire position.
My experience has been that it achieves a position very quickly (in a few seconds most of the time, even though it's been turned on hundreds of miles from where it was turned off), unless there is poor satellite coverage.

one bugbear was that if not requested for position info for more than 15mins, it would go into a standby mode and then when asked again would have to re-acquire position.
I've never had this. It could be a function of the ios app; I use an Android Bluetooth app to connect to the XGPS150 and it's never disconnected on me provided the Bluetooth app is running.

I could mention also, the Bad Elf Pro - BE-GPS-2200 for those who like the numbers.
It will connect with up to 5 Bluetooth devices. :D

[Ando1Bar]

Has anyone else had issues with an extetnal GPS connecting to their iPad 2 since installing ios6? It connects via bluetooth ok, but won't show up your position on Jepp FD, OzRunways etc unless you reset your privacy/location settings before launching the app. I'm using a Dual XGPS - nothing is on their website and the above work around I picked up from an Apple forum. No more running multiple GPS-reliant apps at the same time...