CX715 engine fire

[leet]

Emergency landing of Cathay flight CX715 in Singapore last night after engine explosion in mid-air

Well done guys!

Emergency landing of Cathay flight CX715 in Singapore last night after engine explosion in mid-air - CNN iReport (http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-607790?ref=feeds%2Flatest)

[Busbert]

*Another* T700 fan blade liberated I wonder?

[SMOC]

Engine Stall

Cathay A330 turns back after engine stall warning (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/05/16/356664/cathay-a330-turns-back-after-engine-stall-warning.html)

[N1 Vibes]

Busbert,

it was heard to say "Go, fly free little one....."

Regards,

N1 Vibes

[Frogman1484]

I taxied past the A330 this morning. No explosion! Engine had some burn marks on the outside...fire mate!

[Dilligaffer]

Dont look back Busbert...Its not pretty.

Rgds/Dilligaffer.

[iflylow]

What a piece of sh*t aircraft...

[Master Caution]

Captain & F/O doing a good job fronting the pax here (video):

Cathay Pacific Airbus A330 engine fire | Turns back to Singapore (http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-incidents/terror-aboard-stricken--airliner-as-it-heads-back-with-engine-ablaze-20110516-1epfn.html):D

Note they are displaying "leadership" as required by OPS A 11.4 :ok:

Also note they are speaking to the pax not the media.

[Max Reheat]

iflylow

What a pathetic, niaive and uniformed statement!

[Sheko]

No names no pack drill, but well done Brad ;-)

All at 02:00 local time, kinda makes you wonder who rosters these trips at such times eh!

Nice job by all the crew,

Sheko.

[Busbert]

@Dilligaffer, looks like my cover is blown:
It's ok to look back and smile that thankfully I am not there in the thick of it, its called schadenfreude.

[zsq]

anyone know what's the reg # of the A330? B-HLM?

[Neptunus Rex]

Yet another Australian pilot steps up to the crease.

Bravo Zulu!

[Dragon69]

Let me repeat exactly what MaxReheat stated but directed towards Neptunus Rex

What a pathetic, naive and uninformed statement!

:yuk::yuk::yuk:

[VR-HFX]

D69

Sounds like you need to get out more.

All recent problems with the A330 and the 380 at CX and QF have involved Australian pilots. Survival record 100%.

Not so with other nationalities on the Bus.

So what is your point?

[Dragon69]

VR,

According to my girlfriend I seem to be going out too much actually, that is unless you think you know better than her from a single post! Would love to see your deduction skills :\:\

I am not trying to start a war between nationalities, but what moron comes on an aviation forum and insinuate that one group of nationality is better equipped at dealing with emergencies than another. In fact your comment of Not so with other nationalities on the Bus. is even more pathetic and arrogant than the first.

Your attitude is a small insight as to why some of the most hated checkers just happen to be Australians. :ugh::ugh:

[Steve the Pirate]

HFX

All recent problems with the A330 and the 380 at CX and QF have involved Australian pilots.I assume you mean "incidents" rather than "problems" and do you mean "both" newsworthy incidents or are there others that you're referring to?

I would have thought that all problems (sic) at QF involve Australian pilots or do they hire other nationalities? Just curious.

Well done to the crew, whatever nationality they may be.

STP

[boocs]

Agreed Steve. How bout just a 'well done to all concerned' & leave it at that 4 the time being.... FFS!!!!!!

b.

P.S. Don't give a flying f..k which nationality... Just well done!! that's all.. Jeesh!!!!!!!

[yi gung chek gei yuk]

Holy F*%@rk!!!!

Not....."Yet another completely buggered, overworked AIRBUS PILOT at the wrong side of the body clock doing what he was trained to do...."

no no no....its " Yet another AUSSIE pilot steps up to the crease"

All I can say is THANK GOD for the compassionate,empathetic, well meaning, in-fallable....and lets not forget HUMBLE AUSSIE Pilots for stepping up to the crease, cause otherwise we would all be BUGGERED!!!!

Yet more ammo for the yobbo F/O, busily pi##ing off the cabin crew whilst he is cocking up an approach and landing....to his HOME BASE!!!!

BKK controller.... "Quantas 1 you are cleared to land.....I mean takeoff.....I mean cleared to land....I mean takeoff....."

Golfers....." Looks like a rather large group would like to play thru....."

Nuff Said!!!!

Ps. Well done to the completely buggered AIRBUS Pilots last night!

[Captain Dart]

I'm sure that the ground staff will be effusively praised in the various CX mouthpieces for their handling of the situation...

[MrClaus]

I'm sure that the ground staff will be effusively praised in the various CX mouthpieces for their handling of the situation...

It seems to work. Pay them sweat FA and blow smoke up their a%#e at every opportunity.

[Wobblywonker]

Ah, and don't forget AN881........Oztralian AND a former CX pilot at that :}

what a combination...........:D

[MD330]

Well done to the crew, whatever nationality they may be.



Steve the pirate

Well said! :ok:

Wonder why all this nationalties thingy. Who's now starting the racism etc.?? :=

Happy and safe landing!

[Frogman1484]

Wow! How I wish I was Australian...that way I would be safer! :D

[elgringo]

[QUOTE]Not so with other nationalities on the Bus./QUOTE]

Then there was that little incident on the Hudson...


I don't suppose Sullenberger was Australian too....was he?

[elgringo]

oh...wait...if he had been Australian I suppose the Bus never would have ditched but would have landed back in LGA or continued on to CLT without incident.. how stupid of me to think otherwise..

[Steve the Pirate]

elgringo

For your information, in Australian vernacular, a "Sullenburger" is something you eat after your footy team loses a game. The collective noun for 12 Sullenburgers is a "Ponting". :)

STP

[N1 Vibes]

Can I get a hell yeah for the:

- 'sparks'

- 'eng stall'

- 'Rolls Royce'

Spin, spin, spin......

[VforVENDETTA]

Can Rolls Royce build anything other than garbage for engines?!?! What was the last proper engine they made?! The mighty Merlin 60 on the P-51 Mustang.

[N1 Vibes]

V,

RB211-535E - engine of choice on 80% of all 757's.....and about the most reliable engine there is.

Best Regards,

N1 Vibes

(We could of course mention at this point the marvellous CF6-80 that throws large chunks of turbine disk at the drop of a hat.....but that would deflate your point) :ok:

[asianeagle]

BKK controller.... "Quantas 1 you are cleared to land.....I mean takeoff.....I mean cleared to land....I mean takeoff....."

Golfers....." Looks like a rather large group would like to play thru....."

LOL :D:D:D:p


Yet another Australian pilot steps up to the crease.

You might find that all the other nationalities would have been monitoring all the parameters and picked up the problem before the "boom". Thats why you never read about them in the press:}

Well done to the crew anyway!

[VforVENDETTA]

Actually N1 chap, I think it's the -535E4 you want to brag about not the -535E which was almost 10% less efficient than the PW2037 option for the 757. Only a handful of early 757s were equipped with the -535E, the rest are -535E4 which almost matches the fuel efficiency of the 2037 by using wide chord fan blades. Still the PW2037 is more fuel efficient and 1ton lighter per engine compared to the -535E4. Let's not forget how the ridiculously complex RB211 landed RR into bankruptcy and nationalization by the British government. From personal experience, flying both the RR powered and PW powered 744, what a piece of crap, underpowered, unreliable, inefficient, overly sensitive, pieces of crap the -524HT is compared to the PW4000 engines. This latest freezing fog sensitivity is just laughably far too over the top. They're much heavier, less fuel efficient, less compressor efficiency, sound like sh!t with that piercing hissing sound at idle. I've had three of them surge and overtemp and never any problem with the PW4000. Ask one of our engineers how it takes twice as much time to replace components on the RR than it does on the PW and all of a sudden the maintenance costs become a factor too which is another issue. The last three serious incidents all involved the latest RR engines. The CX A330 dual engine failure/malfunction, the A380 engine blow up rupturing the fuel tank, and now again another A330, all RR powered. Btw, if I remember correctly, Bombardier just recently announced that RR will not even be an option on the new Global Express jet they're developing which was the only engine option for the Global Express aircraft until this one. With this, RR is effectively locked out of bizjet aviation. RR is in deep sh!t financially being locked out of bizjet market, the 773ER, the real possibility of losing engine option orders on the A380... not a good big picture.

Too much complexity getting in the way of functionality, kind of like the various British versions of the English language. Unnecessarily complex and less functional than the American version.

[Chillimausl]

Gulfstream make bizjets, I think. All the large cabin aircraft have RR engines. So, RR alive and kicking there.

As for the 535, I seem to remember airlines switching to it having initially chosen Pratts.

As for the B777, that was a blow, but then along came the A350 and the boot was on the other foot, in my view.

And RR has been gaining market share steadily on the A330. I'd be really interested if anyone could lend weight to the claims that the Trent 700 has some shortcomings.

Probably all some dreadful misunderstanding on my part. That the crew did their jobs well the other day is the one thing that is clear.

[stilton]

I guess that explains Pratt's enormous success in the widebody business these days..

[N1 Vibes]

V for,

what a lot of knowledge you have, but I did answer your question:

Can Rolls Royce build anything other than garbage for engines?

As for your information, there needs to be a few clarifications - RR made only one 535E (the E4 as you correctly mentioned) but the earlier variant was the 535-C37 (which relates to the 37,000lb take-off rating, the E4 had 41,000lbs).

For your weight comparison between the RB211-524HT and the PW4000 on the 744, well the PW4000 is installed with C-Ducts, so the engine dry-weight when it's tken off-wing doesn't include these, the RB211-524 has an integrated reverser and exhaust nozzle, making it heavier - in actuality the 3 spool RR engine is acknowledged by those in the know to be at least 300kg lighter when you compare like-for-like (i.e. with the reverser and exh nozzle removed).

For your comparison of the 535Ea being 1 ton heavier than the PW2037 - I have to concede, you may be right....

- RB211-535E4 = 7,680lbs
- PW 2037 = 7,300lbs

....oh dear that'll be 380lbs, oh dear, oh dear - I forgot to mention the PW2037 weight is without the starter and the ignition boxes - let's call it 280lbs shall we?

I can also deduce that you have never flown on the classic 747, for another airline, with the PW JT9 which surges at the mere thought of a crosswind. And the PW4000 also had the same problem, because the Spam's designed the compressor casing to be axially split (a very 1950's design), when CX purchased the SIA a/c they were all converted to the ring-case configuration - thats why you haven't ever experienced a surge on a CX PW powered a/c.

Yes you can drag up the Nationalization of RR(1971 to be precise - 40 years ago), but we won't mention the fact that the US government buys so many military jets with PW engines that it amounts to the same thing, as PW also has a pathetic market share when it comes to the civillian market.....

3x RB211's surge and overtemp - how very unfortunate for you - I hope you changed your undies afterwards. But in general the RB211 rarely has an overtemp when it surges - since I presume you are talking of the surge-in-reverse issue?

As for the hissing sound - then buy a pair of earplugs!

Best Regards,

N1 Vibes

[swh]

CX A330 dual engine failure/malfunction

So fuel contamination is now a engine design fault ? Did you read any of the reports that the HKCAD put out ?

As for the B777, that was a blow, but then along came the A350 and the boot was on the other foot, in my view.

The reason why GE was selected as the sole engine supplier for the 777-300ER/200LR comes down to GE giving Boeing US$200 million contribution to the development of the airframe in exchange for exclusive rights to hang their engine on it.

RR designed, built, and tested an engine for the 777-300ER, it was the Trent 8104, it produced over 110,000 lb of thrust on the test stand before Boeing let them know of their exclusive deal with GE.

I guess that explains Pratt's enormous success in the widebody business these days..

They have made some progress of late, however it is a little bit too little too late. There will not be another new wide body designed for some time. I just hope they have some success with the GTF, it is one of their last hopes in the civil aviation world. We all remember how the stillborn PW superfan turned out.

[Chillimausl]

Yes, quite. Thank-you.

GE did a neat hatchet job in my estimation. Made sense in that the GE90 needed to secure a future.

The wonder of RR's engine technology is reflected in the mantra - invent once, use many times. RR's Trent family reflects that. The GE90 was a different matter.

Anyway, RR's press releases tell me that the Trent 700 has captured more than 75% of orders for the A330 in the last three years. In a three-way engine competition that's impressive (I believe RR was once firmly rooted in third place). If it is a poor product, then it's amazing, surely?

But I don't have to work with them day in day out so I'll never have the full picture.

[spannersatKL]

Hi V
Well from your comments you have clearly not actually worked on any wide body engines.....Try changing a stator anti ice valve on the old JT9D.(before they were all removed as too bloody difficult to change)..or may be the fuel control on the same engine...bloody nigh on impossible, or the bleed system...plumbers nightmare...Or may be a routine boroscope inspection....where as an RB-211 the Fuel Pump and Control is relatively easy to replace! Boroscope plugs actually come undone and engine cowlings that you can't use a razors!! Oh and the CF6 not a bad engine...as long as no one farts in front of it as maintenance with a dust pan and brush to sweep up the bits is then required. As for changing the Thrust Reverser Motor!...not recommended.

[captain.weird]

Why does Cathay love RR engines? The most planes are equiped by RR engines.. Do they hace financial agreements with Rolls Royce or what?

[AD POSSE AD ESSE]

Can Rolls Royce build anything other than garbage for engines?!?!


It's a crappy english company, what do you expect:yuk:

[jetjockey696]

should try aussie engines....:ok:

[Nullaman]

should try aussie engines

Ah yes you must be referring to the Bruce Industries Whine-master Mk1 (all hot air and no thrust)

:}

[N1 Vibes]

Captain Weird,

the answer you require to:

Why does Cathay love RR engines? The most planes are equiped by RR engines.. Do they hace financial agreements with Rolls Royce or what?

.....is in the Central London Telephone Directory

RR London Head Office:

Registered Office, 65 Buckingham Gate, London SW1E 6AT

Swire London Offices:

Swire House, 59 Buckingham Gate, London SW1E 6AJ

Best Regards,

N1 Vibes

[broadband circuit]

Ok, back on thread:

Did you notice a few days ago in the SCMP where our favourite "aviation reporter" reported the incident?

Those of us that have been following along will have recognized the story from other papers. In fact, I didn't notice any difference at all from what was published word for word in the British & Australian press. That's probably why it appeared here 2 days after appearing in other major news sources.

Here's some bits of advice Simon. Think about them next time you question why us pilots so deeply despise your poison pen:

1. Some people read other news sources. If you're going to be lazy and do a straight cut & paste, we will notice.

2. After doing a straight cut & paste, at least have the journalistic integrity to independently research and correct the factual errors. (the mis-spelling of the captain's name would've been a great place to start)

[Dan Winterland]

Most articles are syndicated these days. If it's word for word then the credit will be given to the originator. If it's modified in any way, then the editor may take the credit.

It's the same difference between plagerism and research. Plagerism is copying from one souce, research from two!

[Algol]

Flown all three.

Order of preference;

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RR

First walkaround I did on the RR - looked up the tailpipe and thought 'Crikey...who stole the engine!'
Then, 14 secs from fuel/ign to light up??? Sheeeit...never saw that before!
Spool up on T/O - Slooooooooowwwwww.....
In flight re-light must be sphincter tightening.
POS.

PS Aussies are all fkn prats. I've tried to be tolerant, but recent events proved my prejudice was well founded.

[spannersatcx]

I've maintained all 3

order of preference

RR
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GE
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PW

I know it means absolutely nothing. :ok:

[N1 Vibes]

Broadband,

as you put it back on thread.

If you knew anything then you would know that there was an initial report from Reuters within about 6 hours of the event happening, mostly reported by the experienced press photographer who was onboard the a/c with his family. CX initially refused to comment and I think made their very bland statement late on the day of the event.

So the rest of the world had mostly the verbal experiences of the pax to go on, and in their own way they retold the story as they experienced it - educated or not in the field of aviation and engine failures - to them a fire is a fire, the light's going out is the lights going out, a bang could be an explosion, severe vibration can be anything their minds think....

Yes, there is sensationalism in the press. And I'm certain you're right that Simon spelt the skippers name wrong - but considering he wouldn't have got any of that from CX, what's the use in crying?

But if you find CX's uber-conservative nature soothing, and the PR machine flawless - trust me it's so much better to know the truth, than the 9th floor view of the world.....

Best Regards,

N1 Vibes

[nitpicker330]

Algol, "most Aussies are fkn prats". Ouch....

Australia is a multi-cultural country, so which particular fkn prats upset you the most? The Anglo Saxon? Greek?, African?

[SeldomFixit]

This guided tour through the many prejudices that have sweet f/a to do with " THE EVENT " should come to an end.
Bruce, Nigel, Chuck or Hank - immaterial.
Brad - good job mate :D

[crwjerk]

Yeah good one Blad..........!!!!

[N1 Vibes]

I hear that CX just put an order in locally for a lawn-mower.....

[PilotKarl_777-300]

Can I get a hell yeah for the:

- 'sparks'

- 'eng stall'

- 'Rolls Royce'

Spin, spin, spin......

HELL YEAH! :ok: