TBM700/850 versus CJ1

[Pace]

Have a potential owner looking at both! Obviously for me the CJ1 has to win :E
What are the negatives of operating a single turbine in Europe other than weather related downsides.
I believe some airports dont allow singles etc?

Pace

[sovereign680]

Well I know airports which are off limits for jets, but do not know about any ruling single turbine out if they are above 2 tons.
Are you sure this new owner knows what he wants?
Early CJs are now trading for about 1 million. Only the fuel expenses will be higher compared to a TBM, but the CJ is much faster. Airway and landing fees will be in the same range.
And if you ever loose one engine there is a big difference!

[Tinstaafl]

If the purchaser is trying to choose between those two, has he first defined the payload/range/speed/runway performance he needs & wants?

[CaptainProp]

Roughly $500 vs $900 in direct operating costs when calculated @ 400 hrs / year if I remember correctly. Socata claims around 1500 nm range @ LRC and 1300 @ max cruise, CJ1+ gives you around 1300 nm. The TBM is fast and for 1 - 1.5 hr flights you would see little difference in flight times when comparing the two.

I am aware of 3-4 off market TBM 850s and a couple of CJ1s.

Let me know if you are interested and I'll put you in touch with the right people.

CP

[BlueUpGood]

Have you considered the Pilatus PC 12 / 12NG?

Supremely versatile if payload / volume is a high priority.

[Pace]

Sorry guys (late to reply) I was trying to find reasons why a TBM 700/850 was a bad choice over a CJ1.

Obviously there is the single engine at night, over sea, over fog arguement etc.

i dont believe airports like London City allow singles? Are there many aiports that only accept twins?

France didnt used to allow single engine night has that been changed? any other negatives to push this potential owner towards a CJ1?

Pace

[IO540]

I don't fly a TP or a jet but have never come across any European airport with a ME requirement - except the restrictions at LHR and LCY, but anybody flying a TBM is clearly too impoverished to pay the £500+ landing + mandatory handling charges at these places anyway :)

The TBM is a super aircraft - I've got 1.5hrs in one with a factory instructor. Built like a tank and almost unbreakable.

In terms of getting around Europe, a TBM can go to far more places than a jet. I see some based at 500m runways.

[Pace]

10540

Thanks for the PM. Yes I appreciate the TBM will go into short strips. Goes back to Single engine V multi?

Ok when you see the stats but not so reassuring at night mid winter over fog banks?

Any countries still ban singles at night?

The TBMs demand high purchase prices a bit like buying a semi detached house at detached house prices :)

But its not my call :E which in his case would still be CJ1

Pace

[theficklefinger]

This isn't even comparing apples and oranges, more like Apples and hamburgers..

The only thing those two aircraft have in common is that they have wings..

If the owner is really on the fence between the two, he has zip idea on what his mission is, has zip idea with regard to capitol costs and operating costs...

He might as well look at helicopters and semi trucks as well..

He should find and aviation consultant to help him with this, or the aviation sales guys will bend him over...

[cldrvr]

If the owner is contemplating either a single or a twin engine jet, the choice is a no-brainer. Flying a single is stacking the odds against you, fly one long enough and you will become a statistic.

If the prospective owner is a director, officer or even senior management, he/she may want to check his/her key personnel/key men insurance as most wil not allow flying single engine aircraft.