VA Rejected Take-Off LA

[KRUSTY 34]

On the News this morning, Australian bound VA flight had a Rejected Take-Off from LAX. I'm not very good at posting links but a nearly 3 minute video from the Nine MSN website, if somebody would like to post.

Abysmal reporting of the incident, lots of file footage of Virgin Atlantic 747, and lets face it, RTO's with a safe outcome do happen from time to time. The real problem for VA however appears to be the way they handled the situation post event.

Looks like the events of last year and the lessons that should have been learnt have been well and truely forgotten! :rolleyes:

[Voz1]

RTO at 80 kts compressor surge/stall. Very Very rare on a GE115.

[PoppaJo]

Here is the link Engine drama grounds V Australia jet in LA (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8237246/v-australia-flight-fails-to-take-off)

A380's...747's?? Might has well throw in a few McDonnell Douglas birds while your at it Channel 9 :ok:

[TBM-Legend]

probably caused by overseas maintenance!:eek:

[43Inches]

The original news artical has been edited. It originally had passengers reporting and engine explosion during take-off at high speed, a rejected take-off and the pilot making a PA that a surge had caused the explosion. It now reads that the pilot heard a noise after departing the gate and returned. The new artical also seems to write off any issues with passengers as they were all re-booked within hours, not still waiting with no answers after 24hours as the TV report states.

[Scamp Damp]

well this same reporter is stating that they got airborne and then put the gear back down before landing after the "explosion"...

I find it hard to believe that the Capt would have gotten airborne at 80kts nor reject the takeoff after getting airborne ....

Great reporting (like always) - same with the footage

[LAME666]

A V Australia Boeing 777-300, registration VH-VOZ performing flight VA-2 from Los Angeles,CA (USA) to Sydney,NS (Australia) with 305 passengers, rejected takeoff from Los Angeles' runway 25R at low speed after the crew heard a bang and thought they had a problem with a tyre on the nose gear. The airplane stopped after a roll distance of about 440 meters/1440 feet, the crew requested emergency services to check the runway for debris. The crew of another aircraft reported they had seen a spark off the nose gear, the crew of a third aircraft reported they had also seen a fire ball off engine #1 (GE90). The crew decided to hold on the runway and wait for emergency services to arrive and examine the aircraft. The aircraft taxied to the apron about 10 minutes later

It might be maint problem,lets wait for the report to follow

[whatever6719]

Geez the media are hillarious!
A reporter from ABC Melbourne was onboard the flight and described what happened.
She claims the aircraft became airborne, she even mentioned she could hear the landing gear retract, then an almighty bang with a few shrieks from pax.
Then, in an instant, they were back on the runway and came to a stop whereby a fleet of emergency vehicles surrounded them.
They were kept on board for about 3 hours before being de-boarded and allocated hotels.

Oh, and by the way, when asked by John Faine if the aircraft had 2 or 4 engines, she replied, 4
:ugh:

[dash 27]

I think a law suit for slander might be on the cards from publicly humiliating V with pure lies vomited from the channel nine pathetic reporting. Virgin Atlantic on the screen, Virgin Australia mentioned when at the mo that name doesn't exist, and lies about fuel explosions/becoming airborne/retracting the gear/ then redeploying the gear and relanding.
Another career path might be in order for this newbe reporter, not to mention taking the piss out of the airline that will De-strand her from LA. Might be walkin home love!!! Bight the hand that is currently feeding you!!!!
Show me an RTO that the pax are clapping about and writing wonderful reviews over, but this land of make believe pathetic excuse of a reporter needs to repromanded for this, and a Voz vs Miss future centrelink might show an example.
Well done to those involved. :D:D

[winglets747]

FYI Virgin is chartering an Air NZ 747-400 for a "few" sectors.

Virgin Blue to charter Air NZ 747 for disrupted schedule - Wings Down Under (http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/wings-down-under/2011/04/virgin-blue-to-charter-air-nz-747-for-disrupted-today.html)

They sure seem to be pulling out all of the stops ahead of their forthcoming re-branding. ;)

[captwawa]

Can someone get a message to the media that there is more than one pilot on board! How many times have you read these crap articles and they say 'the pilot' this and that!

Media please understand there is more than one of us up the front. Not just one guy for say 14 hours - although sometimes this is probably better - even if it is just Mel-Syd :)

[Old Fella]

captwawa. Don't be so precious. Of course the media will say things like "the pilot rejected the take-off......" or "the pilot decided......." or whatever. You would have something to be concerned with if they wrote "The Cheif Cabin Attendant rejected the take-off because........". You will have your day in the sun one day.

[Roger Greendeck]

ABC newsradio reported that the engine fell off the aircraft. Haven't heard that faux pas for a while. Maybe we need a reporter course. 'When we say we lost and engine...':ugh::ugh::ugh:

[capt.cynical]

Boofheads And Bimbo's-sadly this is the 4th. estate nowdays :ugh::(

[LAME666]

Haven't heard the Voz spokes person .But I could picture a QF reply to the incident something like" It was nothing at all,just a few sparks coming from the back of the engine(head shake),these engines are designed to spark so there wasn't a problem at all.(headshake and smile),these things happen all the time (smile).If there was a problem it got to be the manufacturer's fault (smile)

[CharlieLimaX-Ray]

Wasn't an AD issued recently about carbie heat inspections required on all those engines prior to flight of greater than 10 hours on ETOPS operations?

[framer]

CharlieLima Xray; Yes, that is correct. All GE115 engines now must have carbie heat insections prior to the long hauls to prevent this exact scenario. Heads will roll if it wasn't done thats for sure.

[fmcinop]

It was a low speed reject around 70kts after an engine surged as take-off power was set. The aircraft taxied to a stand off bay where pax disembarked. Some were put on qantas with others on air nz while others overnighted. GE have already inspected the engine with the report due tomorrow. A NZ 747 has been chartered until VOZ is back in operation.

The "reporter" should be sacked but when did they ever report the truth?

[Cactusjack]

Perhaps the engine ingested some excess flair ? Or did it ingest one of those overpaid CFO's ?
Seems that LA and V don't mix.

[amos2]

The latest report from Virgin indicates that a thermistor actuator associated with the carbie heat may have malfunctioned. The procedures associated with this malfunction are pretty basic really and why there should be all this drama staggers me. I mean, in the days of DC3s this is just the equivalent of throttle, feather, mixture!

[Worrals in the wilds]

she even mentioned she could hear the landing gear retract, then an almighty bang with a few shrieks from pax. Then, in an instant, they were back on the runway...


ABC newsradio reported that the engine fell off the aircraft.

That would have been awesome :E.
fmcinop, you're not winning any friends, never let facts get in the way of the Media :};). Seriously, (and others with real info) thanks for the heads up. It's funny how so many of these things happen without an ounce of media attention and then once in a while an incident hits the big time. Maybe Reporter On Board had something to do with it.

[Anthill]

A similar thing happened on an Air Afrique B777. Both the pneumatic and the hydraulic carby heats failed on take off, just as the aircraft got airbourne. The pilot wisely rejected the take off just before he selected gear up but the result was a heavy landing which broke both engines off their mounts on the wings. Fortunately, the emergency hand brake worked otherwise they would have run off the end of the runway.

[industry insider]

Ant

Do you mean that reverse landing gear thrust also failed on Air Afrique? Didn't the auxiliary ram air turbine kick into assist with normal brakes instead of the crew having to use the emergency hand brake? Looking at the B777 auxiliary reverse landing gear system diagram, I am not sure you are completely correct about the emergency handbrake having to be used?

[woftam]

Apparently the master cylinder was leaking which caused the brake shoes to stop working. The slipping fan belt on #1 engine thronomister was ultimately blamed for the leak.

[Anthill]

II, yes . Normally you would be correct, but with the Air Afrique incident the B system hydraulic accumulator was M.E.L. ed, thus the emergency hand brake was the only source of standby brake pressure. The Captain was sufficiently professional to have briefed this pre-departure. I'd fly with this guy any day.

Woftam- Correct. Midas (who manufacture the brakes) are looking into this as there have been several reports of this happening on B777-200ERs and -200XKs. This would be the first on a B777-300ER, if this is the case.

[Buck Rogers]

Investigations into the incident has been concluded.. It was nothing to worry about because it was the trainee pilot in the right hand seat playing with the ignition keys resulting in a backfire of the number 1 engine just like the old Nissan Patrols ,luck was on there side resulting in no apparent damage to the muffler.

[PyroTek]

That channel 9 video is GOLD!:ugh: