Cargolux and the 777F

[Piloteur737]

Gentlemen,

I heard (and read) some rumours that Cargolux thinks about some Triple Seven Freighters to fly some secondary lines.
What does that mean for the pilots, which are that secondary lines? If you are flying the 747 and you love to fly to JFK (just an example) and in the future the 777F flies that destination it´s bad.
I think it is one of the really big advantages of Cargolux that there is only one fleet, everybody has the change to fly every route.

What do you think about that? Is it just a rumour that they will buy some 777F´s? And if not, is that a disadvantage for the pilots?


Piloteur737

[Alcione]

All the companies evaluate continuously their business plan. The 777, the A380, the 747-8 and C17 were evaluated. The first three things that a good boss has to do in an economic meltdown are:

- Evaluate how is going to affect the company.
- Prepare the company for the worst case scenario.
- Plan the transition (to the good scenario)

This does not mean that CLX is going to purchase those beauties. They can do it or not. This means that the upper guys are doing their work.

If you are a journalist, please don't search for breathtaking news. Ask CLX management first.

If not, many many happy landings.:ok:

[ray cosmic]

Hi, here the source of most rumours:
Cargolux stellt sich neu auf - Nachrichten Print - DIE WELT - Wirtschaft - WELT ONLINE (http://www.welt.de/print/die_welt/wirtschaft/article12735024/Cargolux-stellt-sich-neu-auf.html)
A Cargo airline flies where the business is. I personally wouldn't care if I would not get to go to for example NY again. Still plenty of nice destinations left.
If I now would fly the 777F on the thin routes- destinations would be limited- but as far as I get it they would be used to prove routes. Name aany place not in the network yet. Buenos Aires? Delhi? Urumqi? whatever it is, it will bring again interesting new places. The 777F is great, but the advantage of having a single fleet and all pilots on 1 rating is perhaps more (cost)efficient- even if the profit per flight would be a little less.
But then again, last time i looked at my payslip I was still a pilot so I am not really qualified to judge these views.:)

[firepoint]

Hi Everyone,

I don't think Cargolux would buy B777F since they will introduce some B74-8F to the fleet. It would be new generation of the jumbo freighter and could last many many years. No sense that the company to purchase another type of Boeing freighter and this could be costly. The fleet with single type icraft would help to minimize the maintainence cost. Most of Cargolux's fight is long sector but not short, the two types of Boeing freighter is not helpful on this. Besides, cargo transit on two different types of Boeing freighter would be another big issue as well. Believe the top management will not ignore this.

Cheers/Fire

[airwaygill]

As you said, firepoint, I doubt that they will add 777 to the fleet now that they expect to take delivery of 3 748 by the end of the year. However as far as I know the pallets for the main deck (high cube containers only, max 118in high) and those for the lower deck (max 64in high) have the same shape and dimensions for both 747 and 777, so they perfectly fit on either type.

[acmi48]

now which airline order 777f 's like a car fleet ?

[grounded27]

now which airline order 777f 's like a car fleet ?


The one with the purple and orange logo.

[stilton]

Then why did Air France not like their 777F's ?

[711]

From a usually well informed source :

Cathay Pacific and Air China have plans to take over Cargolux.

Again, just a rumour.

[ScootCargoOps]

not CX but QR!!

QR Buys Into Cargolux
Qatar Airways will buy into Cargolux with purchase of 33 percent of the Luxembourg air freight carrier.
Sources close to the case told ACNFT the buyout has been confirmed and will be finalized very shortly.
The arrangement also precludes a financial investor from acquiring a major capital portion of Luxembourg’s air freight carrier.
The deal is the first time that an airline from the Middle East will have acquired shares of a European carrier.
Aviation experts rate this upcoming step as a win-win situation since it extends the geographical reach for both partners and enables them to mutually utilize their transport capacity.
Accordingly, Qatar Airways Cargo will feed their North- and Latin America destined shipments into Luxembourg’s Findel airport where Cargolux will take over to fly them across the Atlantic.
Vice versa Cargolux is expected to increase their presence in Doha by transferring some of their African- or Southeast Asian-bound shipments to Qatar Airways Cargo.
The accord, which has been under evaluation for more than a year was finalized some weeks ago when Luxembourg’s Finance Minister Luc Frieden together with Prince Guillaume of Luxembourg’s Grand Ducal family visited the Emir of Qatar.
The total value of the intended transaction is undisclosed.
Analysts, however, estimate the worth of the 33% stake at roughly €300 million Euros.

[SMT Member]

Why did AF not like the B777F?

Mainly because they failed to check the specs properly and, mistakenly, thought they could cross-load fully contoured pallets from a B747 to a B777. While both share the same height restriction, the contour is different.

Then again, there were quite a few issues with the B777F which AF failed to realise ....

[stilton]

Interesting, such as ?

[firepoint]

Same as someone mentioned above, the contour of the built up pallets, especially the Q7 or shelf pallets, which the height is between 96inch and 118inch, would be different on B77F and B74F, due to the curve of the cargo compartment. For instance, you can build 18 cbm loose cargo on a Q7/shelf pallet on B74F but have to load less cargo on B77F.

Cheers/Fire

[ScootCargoOps]

can you get a Q6 straight on a 777F?

[airwaygill]

referring to my previous post: not correct! :=

sorry folks, google and co. weren't able to find this nice little drawing that I finally managed to find on the AF/KL cargo website:

http://www.af-klm.com/cargo/b2b/cargo_en/images/777F%20pallet%20size%20small_tcm230-167205.jpg

So, 747F pallets be it 118 in. or 96 in. high cubes cannot simply be transferred to a 777F as the shoulder height on the lower (walkway) side is lower by 20,4 in. compared to 747 main deck contoured pallets!

Additionally, for 118 in high loads, the pallet top length on the short side of a 777F contoured pallet must not exceed 48,2 in. according to above drawing while a 747F contoured pallet may measure up to 72 in.