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Hell Man
19th Mar 2011, 08:12
Some 'prunes' have very little understanding (total ignorance in fact) of what we are dealing with when we talk about Gadaffi. Comments about the Western response to Middle Eastern nations such as Bahrain, Saudi and Qatar reveal a total lack of comprehension of the Libyan-dilemma and which is hard to believe! Those Middle-Eastern regimes mentioned do operate 'closed-culture' administrations but, they cannot be compared to the out of control 'in your face' contempt which has been shown by Gadaffi since he siezed control of Libya. There is a world of difference between the two - just ask the citizens of those respective nations and you will soon find out.

Those wishing to educate themselves on who we are dealing with can browse this small sample of his resume. Pages more available if anyone wants:

·Libya operates extensive surveillance systems. Gaddafi's Revolutionary committees resemble similar systems in communist countries and reportedly 10 to 20 percent of Libyans work in surveillance for these committees, a proportion of informants on par with Saddam Hussein's Iraq or Kim Jong-il's North Korea. The surveillance takes place in government, in factories, and in the education sector.
·Gaddafi regularly publicly executes dissidents with the executions being broadcast on state television channels.
·Gaddafi supported the Soviet protégé in Ethiopia Mengistu Haile Mariam, who was later convicted of one of the deadliest genocides in modern history.
·Gaddafi employs a network of diplomats and recruits to assassinate dozens of critics of the Libyan regime abroad. Amnesty International listed at least 25 assassinations between 1980 and 1987 but the actual figure is estimated to be much higher.
·In 1977 Gaddafi ordered an artillery strike on Egypt in retaliation against Egyptian President Anwar Sadat' s intent to sign a peace treaty with Israel.
·In 1978 Gaddafi's long-held support of rebel forces in northern Chad escalated into a Libyan military invasion of its southern neighbor.
·Hundreds of Libyans lost their lives in the war against Tanzania, when Gaddafi tried to save his friend Idi Amin. Gaddafi was a close supporter of Ugandan President Idi Amin. In gratitude, Amin even married Gaddafi's daughter while in Libya.
·Much of the country’s income from oil, which soared in the 1970s, was spent on arms purchases and on sponsoring dozens of paramilitaries and terrorist groups around the world.
·Libya is the most censored country in the Middle East and North Africa, according to the Freedom of the Press Index.
·Political parties were banned by the 1972 Prohibition of Party Politics Act.
·On 11 June 1972, Gaddafi announced that any Arab wishing to volunteer for Palestinian terrorist groups "can register his name at any Libyan embassy will be given adequate training for combat". He also promised financial support for attacks.
·On 7 October 1972, Gaddafi praised the Lod Airport massacre, carried out by the Japanese Red Army, and demanded Palestinian terrorist groups to carry out similar attacks.
·In 1972, Gaddafi created the Islamic Legion as a tool to unify and Arabize the region. The priority of the Legion was first Chad, and then Sudan. In Darfur, a western province of Sudan, Gaddafi supported the creation of the Arab Gathering (Tajammu al-Arabi), which according to Gérard Prunier was "a militantly racist and pan-Arabist organization which stressed the 'Arab' character of the province."
·In 1973 Gadaffi promoted oil embargoes as a political weapon, hoping that an oil price rise and embargo in 1973 would persuade the West to end support for Israel.
·In 1973 the Irish Naval Service intercepted the vessel Claudia in Irish territorial waters, which carried Soviet arms from Libya to the Provisional IRA.
·In 1976 after a series of terror attacks by the Provisional IRA, Gaddafi announced that "the bombs which are convulsing Britain and breaking its spirit are the bombs of Libyan people. We have sent them to the Irish revolutionaries so that the British will pay the price for their past deeds".
·Gaddafi supported Soviet protege Haile Mariam Mengistu, who was later convicted for a genocide that killed thousands.
·In April 1984, Libyan refugees in London protested against execution of two dissidents. Libyan diplomats shot at 11 people and killed a British policewoman. The incident led to the breaking off of diplomatic relations between the United Kingdom and Libya for over a decade.
·Gaddafi asserted in June 1984 that he wanted his agents to assassinate dissident refugees even when they were on pilgrimage in the holy city of Mecca. In August 1984, one Libyan plot in Mecca was thwarted by Saudi Arabian police.
·After December 1985 Rome and Vienna airport attacks, which killed 19 and wounded around 140, Gaddafi indicated that he would continue to support the Red Army Faction, the Red Brigades, and the Irish Republican Army as long as European countries support anti-Gaddafi Libyans.
·Throughout the 1970s and 1980s, Gaddafi explicitly supported and financed acts of international terrorism inviting terrorists to seek Libyan support for their causes. Gadaffi has often been known to call himseld the 'father of terrorism' and of which title he is proud.
·In 1986 Libyan state television announced that Libya was training suicide squads to attack American and European interests.
·Gaddafi claimed the Gulf of Sidra as his territorial water and his navy was involved in a conflict from January to March 1986.
·On 5 April 1986, Libyan agents bombed "La Belle" nightclub in West Berlin, killing three people and injuring 229.
·Gaddafi openly sponsors Islamist and communist terrorist groups in the Philippines.
·Gaddafi has fueled paramilitaries in the Oceania and attempted to radicalized New Zealand's Maoris.
·In Australia he financed trade unions and some politicians. In May 1987, Australia deported diplomats and broke off relations with Libya because of the activities in the Oceania. Gaddafi financed various other groups in Australia including anti-nuclear movements.
·In late 1987 French authorities stopped a merchant vessel, the MV Eksund, which was delivering a 150 ton Libyan arms shipment to European terrorist groups.
· 1988, Gadaffi orders the bombing of Pan Am flight 103 which resulted in the loss of all 243 passengers.
· In 1989 Gadaffi orders the bombing of UTA flight 772 killing all 171 passengers.
·Gaddafi trained and supported Charles Taylor, who was indicted by the Special Court for Sierra Leone for war crimes and crimes against humanity committed during the conflict in Sierra Leone.
·Libya had close ties with Slobodan Milošević's regime. Gaddafi aligned himself with the Orthodox Serbs against Bosnia's Muslims and Kosovo's Albanians. Gaddafi supported Milošević even when Milošević was charged with large-scale ethnic cleansing against Albanians in Kosovo.
·Libya has supported Sudan's President Omar al-Beshir despite charges of a genocide in Darfur. After the International Criminal Court (ICC) filed international arrest warrant for Sudan's President Omar al-Beshir in connection to the Darfur genocide, Gaddafi complained that the ICC represents a "new form of world terrorism" that wants to recolonise developing countries
·In 1995, Gaddafi expelled some 30,000 Palestinians living in Libya, in response to the peace negotiations that had commenced between Israel and the PLO.
·In August 1978, the Lebanese Shia leader Musa al-Sadr and two companions departed for Libya to meet with government officials. They were never heard from again. On 27 August 2008, Gaddafi was indicted in Lebanon for al-Sadr's disappearance.
·As of October 25, 2009, Canadia visa requests were being denied and Canadian travelers were told they were not welcome in Libya, in an apparent reprisal for Canada's crisicism of Gaddafi.
·Libyan-Swiss relations strongly suffered after the arrest of Hannibal Gadhafi for beating up his domestic servants in Geneva in 2008. In response, Gaddafi removed all his money held in Swiss banks and asked the United Nations to vote to abolish Switzerland as a sovereign nation. In August 2009, Hannibal Gaddafi stated that if he had nuclear weapons, he would "wipe Switzerland off the map".
·Libya continues to promote bounties for the heads of Libyans abroad who criticized Gaddafi, including a standing reward for one million dollars for Ashur Shamis, a Libyan-British journalist.
·In September 2009, at the Second Africa-South America Summit on Isla Margarita in Venezuela, Colonel Gaddafi joined the host, Chávez, in calling for an "anti-imperialist" front way across Africa and Latin America. Gaddafi proposed the establishment of a South Atlantic Treaty Organization to rival NATO, saying: "The world’s powers want to continue to hold on to their power. Now we have to fight to build our own power."
·During a two-day visit to Italy in August 2010 Gaddafi upset his hosts by stating that Europe should convert to Islam. It was during a lecture in front of 200 young women whom Gaddafi had paid a modeling agency to attend that he urged the women to convert to Islam and, according to one of them, said "Islam should become the religion of all of Europe." Each of the women was given a copy of the Qur'an. Gaddafi, in a speech that aired on Al-Jazeera TV on 10 April 2006, said: "There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe – without swords, without guns, without conquests. The 50 million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."
·Gaddafi actively supports Somali pirates with weapons and cash and has defended their actions stating, "It is a response to greedy Western nations, who invade and exploit Somalia’s water resources illegally. It is not a piracy, it is self defence... If they (Western nations) do not want to live with us fairly, it is our planet and they can go to other planet."
·Gadaffi has a standing invitation for "any nation" to deport Israeli diplomats and make Islam their national relgion in return for large cash rewards. Gadaffi has variously called Christianity the "vermin of the west", "the most delusional ideology ever devised" and "the white man's pig filth lies".

HM

The Old Fat One
19th Mar 2011, 08:30
Heck man, that's a hell of a long post...

Why didn't you just post...


Some 'prunes' have very little understanding (total ignorance in fact)


Would have saved a lot of KBytes.

airborne_artist
19th Mar 2011, 08:47
HM - you seem very determined to tell us how bad Gaddafi/the Libyan regime is, which frankly most of us over 30 already know. However, this is a military aircrew forum, not an international affairs forum, and while geopolitics determines who we are fighting/protecting at the time, it's odd that you are so driven to educate us.

Capetonian
19th Mar 2011, 08:48
Under international law, he is untouchable as the legal head of state of his country, as is Robert Mugabe, as is the chap in Equatorial Guinea, and others. We also have to remember who set these people up.

None of our leaders have the balls to say : "Sod international law, he's a tyrant, a murderer, a menace to the world, and we should take him out."

HEATHROW DIRECTOR
19th Mar 2011, 10:47
And he seemed such a decent chap when I met him briefly just after he came to power!

racedo
19th Mar 2011, 11:04
Did OP miss the bit where US forces in Iraq kept arresting lots of Libyans almost all from Benghazi area.........oh wait they were anti Gadaffi so now US supporting an Al Qaeda branch it was fighting in Iraq.

Hell Man
19th Mar 2011, 11:04
And he seemed such a decent chap when I met him briefly just after he came to power!
And he probably was 'half' decent but you know what they say about power and its corrupting effect!

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44982000/jpg/_44982707_gaddafi_nassar_1969_getty.jpg

Madaffi in his younger days

Interesting to hear the absolutely deafening silence coming from Bliar and his cronies who were lining up to welcome Gaddafi 'back from the cold'.


http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00562/Pg-04-Gaddafi-getty_562627s.jpg

"Ooh Muamar, you have been a naughty boy but give us your money and we'll welcome you back." "Ok Mr Blair, but only if you kiss my nose!"

None of our leaders have the balls to say : "Sod international law, he's a tyrant, a murderer, a menace to the world, and we should take him out."

What a sham/e! If only someone did have a pair which could do the job!

HM