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cyrilroy21
13th Mar 2011, 22:42
NEW DELHI: Fake commanders who fudged marksheets to get to the captain's seat may have been conned themselves. Here's how: co-pilots failing the exam to become commanders are routinely approached by touts with the promise of having their papers "re-evaluated" for the pass mark required.

And with the DGCA exam database being inaccessible to even its head office, verification is not possible at the time of submission.

Pilots cough up between Rs 5 lakh and Rs 7 lakh (sometimes as a bank draft) for a package deal — real marksheets with no reds and a Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) licence for commandership. But what the commanders do not realize is that the middlemen may after all be handing them fake marksheets that will show up when checked with the original database.

The double-con came to light when top aviation officials began probing licences on the directive of the Directorate General of Civil Aviation after a woman pilot repeatedly landing on the nosewheel was found to have forged a marksheet. "A number of industry people have told us middlemen involved in this racket ask the co-pilots to fill up forms for re-evaluation and even take bank drafts to make it look real," said an official connected with the probe. "They are learnt to ask for Rs 5-7 lakh for this task and then (for) getting a licence issued. Co-pilots see this as a foolproof way of doing an illegal thing."

But what pushes co-pilots to acquire an airline transport pilot licence (ATPL) by fraudulent means, paying a huge "fee" to boot? "By the time a co-pilot is eligible to become commander in terms of number of hours flown, his or her monthly salary is about Rs 2 lakh," said an official. "On becoming commander, the salary doubles to Rs 4 lakh. If someone is not able to pass the ATPL exam, the monetary loss is a whopping Rs 24 lakh annually. So it makes economic sense for such people to pay Rs 5-7 lakh and become a commander as the cost will be recovered in just four months."

What makes the job easier for the tout and his client alike is that the DGCA has no way of verifying the documents at the time of submission. Marksheets are issued to pilots from the Directorate General of Civil Aviation's central examination office in R K Puram, south Delhi. These have to be submitted, along with other documents, at the DGCA's head office opposite Safdarjung Airport.

The head office cannot cross-check the documents against the Directorate General of Civil Aviation database because the exam office computers are not part of the intra-network. Not by accident, though. Exam records were kept delinked to prevent hackers from getting through — now working to the benefit of those forging their papers to fly millions across the country and abroad.

Officials say checks will be put in place now, before licences are issued. "There were some cases where people submitted fake education degrees and we started verifying them with the universities. Now, we are devising way to cross-check the marksheets submitted for issuance of licences with original records. This will be done even if it means a delay of a couple of days in the licence process," said a senior official.

Pilots with fake licences getting conned themselves? - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Pilots-with-fake-licences-getting-conned-themselves/articleshow/7696671.cms)

planeboy_777
14th Mar 2011, 06:06
:D:D:D:Dmore Jobs for us now....:D:D:D

attitudeFlying
14th Mar 2011, 06:13
jus curious what punishment are they gonna get?

Gulfstreamaviator
14th Mar 2011, 07:09
Promoted, out of harms way....now where have I heard that one before....

glf

vserian
14th Mar 2011, 07:59
Dont know how many more are going to come out of this...
A big embarrassment not just for the DGCA and the airlines but for the country itself. Its a shame that these morons who failed the test multiple times but they fly big jets earning 5 lacs a month while most of the ones who worked hard to pass the exams are sitting at home doing nothing.

IAC_Pilot
14th Mar 2011, 10:53
jus curious what punishment are they gonna get?



Before punishment, prosecution will be needed.



Taziraat e Hind, Dafa 463
Forgery.-- Whoever makes any false document or part of a document with intent to cause damage or injury, to the public or to any person, or to support any claim or title, or to cause any person to part with property, or to enter into any express or implied contract, or with intent to commit fraud or that fraud may be committed, commits forgery.


Intent to cause damage has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt. Hence case would be different when a Frist Officer who was bypassed files the complaint and when Director Licensing files the comlaint, depending on ho w prosecution handles the case.



Taziraat e Hind, Dafa 463
Punishment for forgery.-- Whoever commits forgery shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to two years, or with fine, or with both.

nikhilheb
14th Mar 2011, 11:14
Taziraat e Hind, Dafa 463
Forgery.-- Whoever makes any false document or part of a document with intent to cause damage or injury, to the public or to any person, or to support any claim or title, or to cause any person to part with property, or to enter into any express or implied contract, or with intent to commit fraud or that fraud may be committed, commits forgery.

Im not sure about the exact rules of forgery, but if what you say is true, I think its pretty clear that intent to cause damage isn't the only criteria. It could be to 'support any claim or title' (probably the case with fake ATPLs), 'cause anyone to part with property', etc.

But today's TOI had an interesting article about how someone within DGCA HAS to be involved for a forgery of this extent to work successfully.

Maybe we should consider whom to punish, or whom all to punish.

Wannabe Flyer
14th Mar 2011, 11:26
You sit for an exam, you fail, you pay someone upto $10,000, your results come back as pass............. And you say you were conned!!!! Give me a break. Because the person give you forged documents you were not conned........ you were wrong in the first place attempting to cheat and pass when you knew you had failed. This is willful and do not try and give some sob story.

A case of pot calling the kettle black eh!

If you cheat or attempt to cheat in the first place you loose all your rights to seek redemption if you are "conned"............get back in line, study harder and try again, this time the correct way :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:.......

Hope you learn a lesson you cheaters out there :p:p:p:p

nikhilheb
14th Mar 2011, 12:03
"Get back in line and try again"?

I don't think they should be given that privilege!