Interview For TAM and GOL airlines [Archive]

varigflier

10th Mar 2011, 02:02

For TAM basically just HR questions and a group discussion in front of a psychologist. No sim ride, no tech questions, no written tests but a few questions about yourself and your career so far.
Do you have an interview coming up??

VF

TOFFAIR

14th Mar 2011, 13:58

There are rumours that tam is to hire FOs directly to the B767/A330...
Can someone confirm this? What are the mins?
Check their website only found offers for A319/320

Please only reliable infos!

chileno 777

15th Mar 2011, 00:09

I am not from Brazil, not married to a Brazilian girl, neither planning to work in Brazil (although think that is a great country, with wonderful people, have been there several times and believe that it has a serious potential in the future).

While Lan Chile only requires 200 hrs TT (without Multi engine rating) for locals, and Tam currently asks 800 hrs TT (been the multi rating and a college degree a requirement), both companies will belong to a same group, use the almost identical fleet, and Sao Paulo has similar living costs compared to Santiago. So my question is more related as a comparison with Lan.

Lan Chile pays +-3000 USD net wage to the low time F/Os, therefore could anybody pls inform the net F/O salary (after taxes) in the A320 fleet with Tam?

Thanks

varigflier

15th Mar 2011, 16:00

It has happened before. A few years ago they hired people with a license and "fluent" English straight into the a330 so I wouldn't be surprised if it happened again.
The salary for a TAM a320 F/O should be still around 6k reais after taxes so about 3k USD.

VF

Lucavdh

16th Mar 2011, 15:27

Thanks For the Infos Guys !!!! I getting married to a Brazilian girl:O:O:O So i´m planning to come and work in brazil .I have 1200 Total hours on MD80 ( I know Md80s don´t fly in Brazil ) I think that Brazil is a very fast growing country ,even speaking about Aviation ....So my aim is to find a Right seat as soon as possible .

Please Send my more Info on how i can change my Italian licence (Cpl-Ir ATPL frozen ) Into a brazilian one and also more info about the kind of Iterviews they do .

Muito Obrigado Ciao

sec_fac_elac

19th Mar 2011, 23:13

VF
That is not correct. I'm Tam A320 FO, and Tam increases the salary. Nowdays, flying 75 hs-month, we make 10K (reais), plus 2K per diem (diarias), net, after taxes. So, 12K reais, U$$6.900, and here we have 13th salary, and FGTS (1 salary per year). I have a lot of friends considering EK or EY, but, the money now, is the key point.

chileno 777

19th Mar 2011, 23:19

Thank you very much Sec Fac Elac for the information provided. I was been told that the salary was +-9000 Reais (not sure if after of before taxes) and wanted to confirm that information. Found the numbers provided by VF very strange and certainly too low.

varigflier

20th Mar 2011, 02:38

My numbers are a little off since it's been a few years since I've flown the bus but that's what I used to make on average. 6k reais after taxes and not counting per diem.

chileno 777

20th Mar 2011, 14:16

Noted. Thanks for the information as well VF.

How do/did you count the per diem in Brazil?

sec_fac_elac

20th Mar 2011, 14:58

Hi T7
In Brazil, the per diem are payed if are on dutty, or on layover. Depends of the day time. We recive the per diems, for breakfast (around R$15), lunch, diner and "ceia" (around R$47, for each). Every thursday the airline pays the per diems in acordance of your previous week schedule.

guilherme18us

31st Mar 2011, 21:34

How many pilots you think you guys think tam is gonna hire this year ?? might move to brazil end of the year .. Im a CFI in the states.. I have a friend who is a capt at Tam those that help any ??

737-NG

31st Mar 2011, 22:08

Don't you need citizenship and local license to work in Brazil??

varigflier

1st Apr 2011, 01:38

TAM will hire as many people as they can find and I think that goes for the other airlines as well. Many flights are going out with two captains on the bus because of a lack of crew and the schedulers' incompetence to make a descent schedule.
Yes you do need citizenship or naturalization to fly for the airlines in Brasil.

guilherme18us

1st Apr 2011, 03:12

yea I got dual citizenship ..but no its not that guy !! lol looking forward to the end of the year to head back to brazil and apply there !!! hopefully Its a busy year at american flyers !!!

RSACHA

1st Apr 2011, 20:30

Hello guys,

I just want to know if we need to be fluent in portugese to work as a FO for TAM or GOL?

I can have a brazilian citizenship but my portuguese is far to be fluent.

Thank you

Regards

varigflier

1st Apr 2011, 22:06

Unfortunately yes, you do need to be somewhat fluent in Portuguese. Doesn't have to be 100% but you need to be able to get around well without any help. If you spend some time here you would pick it up pretty fast.

VF

TOFFAIR

1st Apr 2011, 22:06

Portuguese fluency is a must, although it might not be a stated requirement, in many places you will find ATC unable to do basic English RTF, and in most companies there are also pilots to be found who dont speak English, so they are kept on domestic flights, and most Cabin crew arent proficient in English either, think about CRM!
In biz aviation though you might find a job with no Portuguese knowledge.

RSACHA

2nd Apr 2011, 06:59

Thank you guys

Sacha

pdub20s

24th Apr 2011, 06:01

Any news or updates on changing the law requiring brazilian nationalization? I heard that was in the works..thanks!

alemaobaiano

24th Apr 2011, 14:10

Any news or updates on changing the law requiring brazilian nationalization? I heard that was in the works..thanks!

No, nothing. The law is stalled and now the election is over there is very little political mileage in pushing something that has some very vocal opposition. :ugh:

TTFN

lilg

14th Jun 2011, 21:51

hi,

anybody know the regulations of flying in brazil having done training in the uk or usa? i assume it is easier to convert from a CAA (done in usa) than a JAA to fly in brazil and is this required?

i know i have to be a brazilian citizen but i've been married to a brazilian girl now for 2 years and that part can be sorted out...

if anybody has any info on whether or not it is possible to do training outside of brazil and then fly there please send, getting conflicting reports!

thanks
g

alemaobaiano

15th Jun 2011, 12:42

anybody know the regulations of flying in brazil having done training in the uk or usa? i assume it is easier to convert from a CAA (done in usa) than a JAA to fly in brazil and is this required?

Yes conversion is required, the origin of your licence is pretty irrelevant, it's the same process for all.

i know i have to be a brazilian citizen but i've been married to a brazilian girl now for 2 years and that part can be sorted out...

How, if you don't live in Brazil? You need to start with a resident visa, which means you need to be living and working here, before you can start the citizenship process. This whole process takes around 9 years from the issue of your residence permit, and you will need to live here for the majority of that time.

if anybody has any info on whether or not it is possible to do training outside of brazil and then fly there please send, getting conflicting reports!

What training? If you convert your licence afterwards you can do the training anywhere. The advantage of training in Brazil is that you don't have to convert anything to fly here, but then if you want to go elsewhere you will need the reverse conversion process.

TTFN

EdForce6

15th Jun 2011, 21:22

Hi there alemaobaiano,

How long will it take for a Portuguese guy?? and is that the only way (being a national) or can one be a commercial pilot as a Portugues Equiparado ??

Concordo 100% com muitos dos teus post, sei que o mercado no brazil so deve ser para nacionais, ou para os que passao pelos anos de espera. Se nao, tudo vira como na europa e nos estados unidos, pagando para tudo e nao sendo aproveitado como piloto.

Um abraco,

Edforce6

alemaobaiano

16th Jun 2011, 09:58

Bom dia Ed

I think that Portuguese pilots have an advantage here, there seems to be some agreement between the countries for a fast-track scheme that reduces the time considerably, although I don't know the details. There are some whispers that Azul have some Portuguese candidates in the current recruiting round, but nothing that I can substantiate, so maybe its just a rumour.

I'm not really in favour of a completely closed market, but the reasons for opening things up concern me more. There is quite clearly no intention of recruiting well qualified crew from major carriers but simply a means to reduce cost by bringing in pilots from smaller countries who will fly here for even less than the present salaries. That is my opinion, not based on any stated fact, but from conversation with a number of well connected individuals in Brazilian aviation.

Boa sorte

Autothrust05

21st Jun 2011, 21:50

There are some whispers that Azul have some Portuguese candidates in the current recruiting round, but nothing that I can substantiate, so maybe its just a rumour.

The whispers are correct...

zedoscarro

27th Jun 2011, 20:01

yeah but how did they get the licences? does anybody know?

gonzags

5th Jul 2011, 17:00

New info about that?

aa73

6th Jul 2011, 15:33

Hello gents, sorry but I must ask this question from perhaps a naive U.S. point of view?

800TT for TAM??? 200TT for LAN??? Are these guys CRAZY?

When I had 200TT I barely had enough business being around a Cessna 152!! much less an airliner!

What will these guys do when the Captain becomes incapacitated?

Have we not learned from Colgan crash in Buffalo, the dangers of inexperience?

There is a very good reason why most major airlines in the U.S. require 5000TT MINIMUM to apply and get hired!

Sorry, but I wouldn't ever put my family on board a TAM or LAN airliner knowing that the F/O may only have 200TT!! This is Crazy and only a matter of time before something tragic happens.

Just my opinion, but backed up with tragedies of inexperience from the past.

aa73
Hired on at AA with 3000TT and that was LOW!

Autothrust05

8th Jul 2011, 00:05

there are the low timers and the slow learners...

TOFFAIR

10th Jul 2011, 21:24

Europe has already a long tradition of hiring lowtimers, guess you wouldnt fly with Lufthansa or let your family get onboard. In Brazil you dont have many options to "get experience". Tam and Gol used to ask for 1500 TT but many pilots got those hours logged through a scheme or simply inking them into their Logbooks...
Azul wants to upgrade 1500hrs FOs to captain on the ATR as soon as RBAC61 becomes effective.:uhoh:
There are now talks about introducing MPL to Brazil, so the situation now is only a preview of whats coming.
Statistics will show if this all will work out!

howardhugues

23rd Jul 2011, 20:18

Hi guys i'm new in pprune, i'm in the same situation, i'm a spanish pilot with JAA ATPL and 2500h TT, since two month ago i lost my job in executive airline.

Mi girlfriend is from Brazil, and we're living in Barcelona, but now we gonna move to Brazil, i'm quite nervous because a lot of people told me how complicate is fly in Brazil for the foreing pilots.

Does anybody now if i get married, how many time i'm a Brazilian citizenship?

Altough is mandatory to be Brazilian citizenship to apply in a brazilian carrier?

Independent if you have to convalidate your license ..
:ok:

materazzi

24th Jul 2011, 05:26

AA73, I wouldn't put my family into old aircraft (like AA has) for a trip, but sometimes you don't have a choice... those A300's you guys had until a couple of years ago were not maintained very good... and the B767's?? well, let me tell you the training the pilots get in LAN (and I'm sure in TAM) is very strict, professional, and to Airbus Standards. LAN has had the same criteria for hiring people for a long time, and besides a couple of incidents, the accident record has been 0 for a long time (hope to keep it that way for a long time).

so please don't speak before knowing a bit about the other companies.

ps. I have a lot of friends flying in US Carriers (regionals and majors) and I know how it goes the Airline business up there, and in South america we have nothing to envy you guys.

Happy Landings :ok:

alemaobaiano

24th Jul 2011, 11:42

Does anybody now if i get married, how many time i'm a Brazilian citizenship?

Typically 7 to 9 years from the time you arrive in Brazil. You need to get a residence visa first (usually 6-18 months) and then start the citizenship process, which normally takes about 7 years.

As the law stands at the moment you cannot fly commercially until the process is complete, but you need to live in Brazil and have a job during this time.

Things may change in the next few years. The bill privatising three airports has just been passed which has always been seen as the first step on opening civil aviation here, but even if the pilot market does open up, MERCOSUL and Portuguese speaking nations will have priority.

TTFN