Getting away from CX

[Saturn]

Now that the flood gates have opened, I wanted to get away from these people too. The check and training department just are never going to change. What a bunch of jerkoffs these people are. Now we are going to get an aircraft where a lot of the functions don't work? You're kidding right? We talk about threats and the biggest threat is our own managment/fleet office.

So Korean is now offering 20,000$ USD a month. Is it better, well the money sure is! The AOA has told the memebership that we got a raise, that is a joke.

Guys are leaving in droves now and I am starting to realise you are better leaving than staying. This place stinks.:mad:

[Captain Boers]

Saturn, here we go again. I've heard this for the many years I've been in the company and you know what - few ever seem to go. This is so very unfortunate because an inability to crew the aircraft parked on the ramp is the only driver that will ever lead to a meaningful change in remuneration and, possibly, attitude.

So I'll do my bit to help:

RESIGN RESIGN RESIGN RESIGN. Get the f...ck out of here and find Nirvana

[Yeager]

Just resign mate and don't look back.
Don't be bothered anymore about the wankers up on whatever floor it is (forgot).
There is just to much wanking and to little fun.
Most of us became pilots because we wanted to fly aeroplanes and have fun doing so. I had very little fun "flying" aeroplanes in CX (of course most of the time was as a sandwich officer - which I suppose is not really flying anyways:O)
Whatever lifestyle you want and what's important too you - decide from that. Don't let money rule your world - there is more to life than that - money.

There are a lot of good blokes on the F/D in CX as well - lets not forget that - But a fun, enjoyable place to work - forget it! :}

[uspilot]

We keep hearing Guys are leaving in droves....How many are really leaving...unless is 10% to 20% of pilot force, I really don't think the company would care....its sad cause you guys are great pilot group....all the best.

[geh065]

I have personally heard of 3 who have left in the last 2-3 months. I am sure there have probably been more but "droves" it isn't!

[Capt Toss Parker]

Cuz ...

CX are happy with their "Henchman" every fleet has two complete lunatics that should be locked up for bipolar aggression asshole disorder ..

In a conversation I had with "NR" a long time ago .. he said they can't do anything until the pilots are willing to put it in writing ..

If you encounter one of these "tossers" put every little detail down and submit it to the training department.

Or .. embrace some type of social media campaign :E

[The Messiah]

Just resign mate and don't look back
Great advice maybe you should take it yourself:ok:21 of your last 25 posts have been on the Fragrant Harbour forum and when did you leave again? Hilarious:D:D:D Keep it up:ok:

[Yeager]

The Mess aka The Joker :}

Me, I'm in F.H. having a wander around from time to time to see whats cooking in the kitchen of Cathay Pathetic Airways.. And you are right - it is hilarious to spectate.. I'm lovin' it..
In no other PPrune forum is there so much talk and so little action than F.H.

A guy needs a little encouragement and all you do, The Mess, is waste his time. No wonder you hardly have any friends buddy. No wonder. :}

[broadband circuit]

an inability to crew the aircraft parked on the ramp is the only driver that will ever lead to a meaningful change in remuneration and, possibly, attitude.

So, STOP helping them out. Don't work G days. Don't volunteer for training. It ain't rocket science people! :ugh:

[GlueBall]

. . . leave and find utopia? :{

[evyjet]

Korean is offering $20000 a month ?? Since when?

[FreqFlyer001]

KE's five major contract agencies (Rishworth, Parc, Cambridge, GAP & Euro Pacific Aviation) have all removed the T&Cs and payscales from their websites. What they're offering now is anyone's guess.

Euro Pacific Aviation (http://www.euro-pacific-aviation.com/)
Rishworth Aviation (http://www.rishworthaviation.com/opportunities/details.asp?oppid=971&cat=1)
Global Airline Pilots (GAP) Aviation (http://www.gapaviation.com/koreanair.html)
Cambridge Communications Ltd (CCL) (http://www.kal-ccl.com/)
Parc Aviation (http://www.parcaviation.aero/pages/current_assignments/crew_resourcing.asp?RMURL=VacDetail%2Easp%3FCommAdSeqNo%3D17 05)But like Emirates; KE will be taking delivery of quite a few new aircraft over the next few years, so unless they really are offering $20,000 USD p/month it will be interesting to see where all the new pilots come from.

[Dan Winterland]

KA is the code for Dragonair. KE is the code for Korean Airlines. Using KA incorrectly will cause some confusion on this forum!

[411A]

Using KA incorrectly will cause some confusion on this forum!
No doubt.
However, it might not make a difference, as 'many' (it appears anyway) desire to run away from CX.
The bed of roses ain't what is used to be, apparently.:rolleyes:

[FreqFlyer001]

You're right, I just edited the post. Thank you.

[SMOC]

BA about to hire 20-30 DEPs onto the 744 if you're after a UK base you'd be nuts not to go for it.

[Sand Man]

20-30 DEPsI've heard of DEC, DEFO, DESO but what is DEP?
DEP = Direct Entry Peanuts, Direct Entry Purser, Direct Entry Pole Dancer, Direct Entry Podiatrist, Direct Entry Pensioners or Direct Entry Prostitute :}

[HOWARDinOGDEN]

A good question posed by Sand Man. In my humble opinion, as this is an aviation forum, it's possible that the P in DEP is for pilot.

Prostitute was a good guess though - frequently synonymous to pilot.

[Oval3Holer]

As opposed to CEPs... Circuitous Entry Pilots

[The Messiah]

Me, I’m in F.H. having a wander around from time to time to see whats cooking in the kitchen of Cathay Pathetic Airways.........
In no other PPRuNe forum is there so much talk and so little action than F.H.

Yeah right what a load of crap. It’s no secret that your hand was forced to leave due to your marginal personality disorder causing you to blame everybody else for your poor performance and your lack of a life away from work. You are now a bitter and angry loner who burned his bridges and comes on here to vent and look for confirmation he’s done the right thing. I actually feel a bit sorry for you.

Saturn let our friend Yeager, aka doughnut without a hole, be a warning to you. For all of CX’s faults there are plenty of positives. On the money issue, yeah sure it isn’t everything but it’s hard to raise a family without it. Do you really want to spend your career chasing contracts around the place explaining to your kids why you can’t be at their sports carnivals etc? If you are looking for the perfect airline good luck, it doesn’t exist.

Guys are not leaving in droves at all and they never will, the reason being that compared to most of the options CX is a pretty good gig, just don’t take some of the stuff to heart. I still enjoy going flying the vast majority of the time, but every job has it’s office w#nkers, why should flying be any different? They can often make a day at work very entertaining.

Good luck with your decision.

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[M-rat]

Worked recently with an Ex CX FO who is highly regretful of his decision to leave CX. He works his ass off here with many fewer days off, and for less money. He really feels he fu*ked up and knows he'll pay dearly to reverse it. He feels stronly he may actually apply to return to CX, well knowing he will likely not see the left seat for a very very long time, but feels he must leave this place.

Something to keep in mind.

[Yeager]

The Mess,


Every job has its pilot w@ankers - yup - guess who that one is now :D You just jumped outta the closet there - did you, The Mess.. haha.. :D

As often before buddy, your lack of interpersonal skills, inability to put a realistic perspective on things in life, and now apparantly topping off with making up stories, just serves as a standing prove of what a weak character you are.
Nothing new. :oh: Just the same old, same old..
AND hey we both know, The Mess, who the loner is - its written in you forhead buddy.. :D

[The Messiah]

Looks as though I hit a nerve there on the doughnut without a hole :ok:

There is no need to make up stories when the truth is so amusing ;)

[Yeager]

Ha.. The Mess.. You hit it right on the nail - dare I say that you are a lot smarter than you look like :p

[AnAmusedReader]

Good guess Howard. Below is the BA advert. AAR

Job Details
Direct Entry Pilot Scheme




Ref UKLHR1218
Region UK - Heathrow
Location London - Heathrow
Category


Job Description


Closing Date: 29th April 2011


The Direct Entry Pilot Scheme is for experienced high calibre pilots who want to develop their careers with one of the most progressive international airlines in the business.




Principal Accountabilities


You will need:


* A current type rating on the Airbus A320 series, a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL(F) and a minimum of 500 hrs recent experience on type


or


* A current type rating on the Boeing 747-400, a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL and a minimum of 2000 flying hours to include 500 hours recent experience on the 747-400. Please note that a full type rating is required and 'cruise only' ratings are therefore not acceptable for this scheme


Please ensure you have these hours now, at the point of application. For your information recency is:- flown on one of the above type(s) within the last 12 months.




The Individual


* You will have a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL(F) applicable for A320
* You will have a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL applicable for 747-400
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* You will be physically fit and in possession of a JAA/UK CAA Medical Licence (Class 1) and able to satisfy British Airways medical requirements. Please note that British Airways’ medical criteria for employment is of a higher standard than the CAA requirement
* Height between 1.57m (5'2") and 1.91m (6'3") with weight in proportion to height (height is accurately determined during the assessment process). Qualified pilots who are taller than 1.91m may submit an application but will be required to undergo a functionality check to confirm their ability to meet the requirements of the seating positions in the British Airways fleet of aircraft
* You will have fluency in spoken and written English




Application Process


All applicants are required to answer the following questions, each within 250 words. Please prepare your answers in advance.


* What are the behaviours that demonstrate your motivation and commitment to your current employer and your customers?
* Give a recent example of when you have made an important decision. Consider the sources of information you used to make your decision, how you prioritised your actions and how you influenced others to implement your decision
* Give an example of when you have been involved in a major change in the work environment. How did you adapt to this and what did you learn?
* Explain the competitive threat facing British Airways at present. Describe how you, in the role of Flight Crew, can contribute to the overall success of the busines
Nota Bene the continuing requirement for Airbus rated crew for LHR shorthaul ops.

[Kontract Killer]

Because "The Speedbird", only recruits high calibre pilots ;)

Q.4) Only 6 words required: Your appalling cabin and customer service!

[hongkongfooey]

Q:What are the behaviours that demonstrate your motivation and commitment to your current employer and your customers ?

Mmmm, thats a tough one since I am sitting here in front of you interviewing for another airline :}

Q: Give an example of when you have been involved in a major change in the work environment. How did you adapt to this and what did you learn

3 major changes of SOPs in 3 years, from airbus to boeingbus and now back to airbus, I have learned CX know 5hit about flying but are good at continually re-inventing the wheel.

[gofor]

CX has 26 Captains at the bottom of the seniority list - of which some FO's had left and returned to HKG for DEC on the Freighter - these FO's would not even have reached their normal command on the pax fleet yet!

[positionalpor]

One thing that surprised me when I joined CX, was the amount of pilots (SO& FO) resigning whilst still on course (mainly for the "excellent personalities " of TC). I never heard of such things happening to another "major" carrier!