Why would Qantas choose the F100?

[JohnMcGhie]

Given Alan Joyce apparently announcing that Qantas will acquire 10 Fokker 100s, I was wondering why they picked that model (from a manufacturer that is bankrupt and no longer trading)?

There seem to be quite a lot of alternatives:

Airbus A318 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A318)
BAe 146 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAe_146)
Boeing 717 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_717)
COMAC ARJ21
Bombardier Canadair Regional Jet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Canadair_Regional_Jet)
Embraer E-Jets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_E-Jets)
Fairchild Dornier 728 family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Dornier_728_family)
Tupolev Tu-334 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-334)
Yakovlev Yak-42D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-42) So I thought I would ask those likely to know: Why the F100? And how would you compare the aircraft in that list?

Having just stepped off a Boeing 717 today, I wondered why Qantas did not order more of those: they seem to be very reliable and nice to fly in?

I will be interested in the responses...

[Mr.Buzzy]

Because the Mascot museum doesn't have any of those ones yet........

[VH-UFO]

For fly in/fly out reasons.

There's a reason Alliance, Skywest and Network all use them...........

[Flyingblind]

Hi UFO,
I have my thoughts as to why, but not part of that sector did wonder why Q picked (and others) the F100.

Not looking for any type of gos just why this frames above others.

[Pin37]

I was wondering how many of those aircraft on your list are still manufactured ?:confused:

[Skystar320]

ummm Duh! Cause they are going to Network Aviation!
:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

[cone zone]

Have I missed something?

Why Alliance? Wouldn't they go to Network ?

[Icarus2001]

Well QANTAS didn't really. More like NETWORK, because they have two already and have the aircraft on their AOC, spares etc. The airframes are for FIFO not RPT, they seem to do an adequate job as do the B717 and Bae146/RJ so WHY NOT?

[Spinnerhead]

That is exactly where they would go, skystar has just made a monumental fool of him/herself.

[The Green Goblin]

It's the ideal FIFO machine. Low cost to acquire, cheap to operate, performs well in the dessert, can land on short strips that are weight limited, the seat pitch suits the beer bellied miners, and they look mint!

Oh, and the punters love 'em!

[Capt Toss Dudley]

I think that is all they will be able to afford.:)

[Worrals in the wilds]

I'd love to see a Tupolev or Yak in Qantas colours. That would be awesome :}.
Seriously, where are Qantas planning to source their F100s? I know Alliance buy them at the Nevada Desert garage sale, ferry them over and fit them out, is that the Qantas plan of attack as well?

[Skystar320]

well a certain group has just purchased several FK100's from a European Airline. Suppose those would be headed to AUS!

[RENURPP]

There seem to be quite a lot of alternatives:
Airbus A318 - :confused:
BAe 146- reputation precedes them, however as Cobham have proven, they do the job very well.
Boeing 717- too big 125 seats, too expensive, maybe ACN/PCN?
COMAC ARJ21- not at all familiar with this one, but too small, 2000 mts TORR sound a bit much unless they mean TODR in any case first of type and being a relatively new Chinese manufacturer, Not for me.
Bombardier Canadair Regional Jet- expensive and as Ansett/Kendals proved, don't do the job all that well.
Embraer E-Jets- ask Virgin about the E jet.
Fairchild Dornier 728 family- first of type with all the associated problems and 80 pax is probably too small.
Tupolev Tu-334- have o agree with WITW, :eek:
Yakovlev Yak-42D

[Peter Fanelli]

Having just stepped off a Boeing 717 today, I wondered why Qantas did not order more of those: they seem to be very reliable and nice to fly in?


Probably because they are no longer in production.

[Mickster]

I doubt Qantas would have announced the plan if they hadn't already arranged the purchase otherwise they might get caught out.

Why F100? Probably 'cause they are relatively cheap, a few spare parts in Australia as several operators using them. I'm guessing, but you could probably get 10 F100's for the cost of one B717.

No doubt someone out there in Ppruneland would have more accurate figures.

[RENURPP]

Quote:
Having just stepped off a Boeing 717 today, I wondered why Qantas did not order more of those: they seem to be very reliable and nice to fly in?
Probably because they are no longer in production.

And the ****ers are. :confused::confused:

[Peter Fanelli]

There is a company attempting to put the Fokkers back into production, although I wouldn't hold my breath. Maybe QF knows something we don't.

Fokker Aircraft (http://www.rekkof.nl/)

[Sunfish]

The distances involved, the hot conditions and short runways, the need to operate without any GSE or support and provide what passes for a premium service to Pax are what dictate the F100 I suspect.

[Xeptu]

Why would QF choose the F100's

Surely you guys see it, or is it just a case of reluctance to come out and say it.

QF intend to take XR on head to head in their own backyard, Network is simply the vehicle to do it.

As Network accquires XR's FIFO contracts, they will poach XR's F100 pilots, simple as that.

Now before you say why would XR's pilots do that, simply because they won't have much choice, if they want to continue flying the F100 and live in perth, there'll be no other options.

Like most pilots, choice of base "where you want to live" is the overriding factor in choosing who you work for. If there's a choice at all.

[T28D]

Why choose Network and the F100, because they both make money, low capital ingoing, high net return on investment.

[Capn Bloggs]

IMO the main reasons are: Network already has them, they're reasonably cheap but they are also much lighter from an air nav charges POV. Companies have been known to reduce the Flight Manual limit weights by a few tonnes to reduce the air nav/pavement charges.

As for being a "premium service", they are sardine cans compared to the 146, 717 or ijit.

[GAFA]

Because it is the best 100 seat jet out there, sorry Bloggs the 717 comes second and at around $5-8m each they are a bargain.

[Capt Claret]

As a matter of curiosity, what max pax number are the F100 certified for? For example, last time I looked at the 717 AFM it was 125.

[Capn Bloggs]

GAFA,
Because it is the best 100 seat jet out there, sorry Bloggs the 717 comes second
I will admit the flight controls are focking beautiful. Leaves the swinebat or the maddog for dead.

Oh, how many round dials does that fokker have again? :)

[TBM-Legend]

A better question: Why was Qantas allowed to purchase Network in the first place?


Who's permission did they need????

[remoak]

Green Goblin

performs well in the dessert

Yeah you need an aircraft that can punch through a fluffy meringue... cut through the custard... :ok:

[propnut]

The mob in QLD were seen in the land of clogs last year climbing over a bunch of F100s

[The Green Goblin]

Green Goblin

Quote:
performs well in the dessert
Yeah you need an aircraft that can punch through a fluffy meringue... cut through the custard...

You bloody smart arse :}

I'm blaming the ipad auto correct feature on this one!:O

[TBM-Legend]

IAP have bought a few F100's in Italy. Some to fly and some to die....

[remoak]

GG

You need a pretty smart arse in this game mate, too many people trying to shove something up it... only a smart arse can tell the difference between a pineapple and the fingers of that really cute lady doc as she checks your prostate... :cool: Not that I would know anything about that, you understand... :=

Back on topic... the F100 is probably the best in the 100 seat class if you discount baby Boeings and Airbii... more economical than the 146 and with much better systems than the other (old) twin jets. Nice flight deck too...

[DERG]

How come the Embraers are so popular in the USA?

[IAW]

Propnut:

Yeah, they bought 6 of them.