Multiple Go Arounds, no PA's.

[ROH111]

A friend of mine just flew back from Melbourne to Sydney.

One of the pilots (she refered to his top of climb pa, as sounding like a kid who just got his first pube) of a Virgin aircraft experienced turbulence on approach before performing a missed approach, came back around with the same thing again. On the third attempt they successfully made a landing at YSSY.

At no time between the approaches were the guests informed as to what was going on, so does anyone have info as to what happened there?!? Today wasn't exactly weather for ducks.

She thought she was going to die. Don't shoot the messenger, I couldn't give a crap, just want to give her an answer.

[Runaway Gun]

If the pilot has time to update the passengers, they will.

If they don't say anything, then they are busy.

Their priority is to fly the aircraft safely.

[Capn Bloggs]

If the pilot has time to update the passengers, they will.

If they don't say anything, then they are busy.

Their priority is to fly the aircraft safely.
Absolute rubbish. If an RPT crew cannot talk to the pax ONCE through all of that due to being overworked they shouldn't be in the cockpit. :=

[evyjet]

In a go around, unless there is some dire emergency/multiple failures, a good pilot will inform his passengers. All it takes is a very brief PA.

I agree the priority is to fly the aircraft, but if a Captain does 2 go arounds, and never says anything on the PA, IMHO he doesn't have what it takes to have 4 bars on his shoulder.

Prioritise by all means, but don't ignore!

Evy

[newcomer]

At about 5 pm yesterday at sydney there was a very large gust front come through, so im pretty sure windshear was the reason for the go arounds. We were arriving at about 5.45 and during a period of 15 minutes our star changed 3 time. 34 then 16 then 34. Then there was heaps of traffic within 30nm of SY being left up high, being off track due to weather diversion. So quite a high work load. We were lucky to land at about 6:10 on our first attempt after the front went through. So i guess the virgin went through SY right in the heart of it.

[Global Xpress]

Dont worry its just ROH bagging VB again :ugh:

If it was QF on the other hand......

[Jet Man]

I was deadheading from Sydney to Brisbane yesterday on Virgin and the aircraft went around from short final. It was at least five minutes until another approach. The captain has time so make a short but informative PA. Apparently the go around due to a Qantas aircraft that came too close to the runway for the Virgin to land safely.

[Starts with P]

Apparently the go around due to a Qantas aircraft that came too close to the runway for the Virgin to land safelyWhat the heck does that mean?

[jj232]

I was working director when it happened yesterday and can tell you things did get chaotic for a few minutes yesterday. There was some weather in the circuit that created its own local southerly. Aircraft were experiencing about 18kts of southerly down to short final on 34L and R. There were several double go arounds and it kept everyone very busy. Eventually the wind became southerly all the way to the ground hence the change to 16. This only lasted abouted 15mins then we went back to 34. I think everyone involved was very busy during this time as we were all trying to workout the best solution for the conditions.

[turbantime]

Absolute rubbish! I know of the crew involved. It's amazing how Pax don't listen. First off, highly experienced crew one of which had just recovered from a cold....therefore the croaky voice. And PA was made after every go-around including talking to CS over the interphone.

Sounds like your friend was just trying to get on the news.

[Ivasrus]

Turbantime read the post above. There were numerous aircraft that missed out within a short period of time. The ATIS changed about 28 times in as many minutes and the frequencies were all flat chat for the most part.

[The Bunglerat]

It's amazing how Pax don't listen.

...And then there's the cabin crew! I dunno how many times I've made a PA, advising everyone of our ETA, weather at destination, etc, only to have one of the crew call me up on the interphone barely 5 minutes later to ask what time we'll be arriving & what the temperature will be. :ugh:

[PPRuNeUser0163]

Pretty sure the Pilots would be talking with the lead F/A through the intercom system following a go around.. who should then inform the cabin of what is happening... is this not the normal procedure?

Yes- as someone said Sydney had a fair amount of windshear on the 34's yesterday so go arounds are quite understandable..

What about the old war cry 'aviate, navigate, communicate' .. no different in a 737.. when your in the go around alot of things would be happening- and especially in somewhere like Sydney you would be getting atc calling your callsign every few minutes (vectors back onto the ILS, back to tower etc) so its quite possible that a pa from the pilots wasnt possible in this scenario..

As a sidenote..talking about PA's.. why do the Red rat pilots always come on the PA on a longhaul (specifically SYD-LAX and return ive been on) about 2 hours out of destination and say 'I hope youve all had a good nights rest" Sorry Captain, i was in row 79 with some ***er digging their legs into my back- no I didn't :ugh:

[assasin8]

That's why they "HOPE" you've had a good nights sleep! That's humanity for you!:{

[The The]

Pretty sure the Pilots would be talking with the lead F/A through the intercom system following a go around.. who should then inform the cabin of what is happening... is this not the normal procedure?

Not at all. If it was a go-around for something like windshear, runway incursion etc, a short reassuring PA from the Captain is all that is required. You do the manoeuvre, clean up as required, complete the checklists, sort out your next plan (diversion?) and then give a short PA. If I was diverting, I would call the CSM first to explain the details, if going for another approach, just a PA to the cabin.

If there was a serious non-normal situation, like gear failure or something, then I would brief the CSM first (the old NITS briefing) and then give a PA (followed by CSM cabin prep PA).

I would NEVER get the CSM to give a PA regarding the technical aspect of a go-around.

[aeropelican]

(she refered to his top of climb PA, as sounding like a kid who just got his first pube)

Sidenote: Just saying, what's that got to do with it? Why could you not just say 'One of the pilots of a Virgin aircraft experienced...'? This is useless derogatory information that is of no valid addition to the point you're (or rather your friend) is trying to make.

She thought she was going to die.

It always humours me how people automatically assume that they are going to die because of a go-around when it's usually a case of the pilots making a decision to go-around so as to avoid a potentially catastrophic accident that would almost definitely end worse if they were to continue the approach (Garuda 200 is probably a good example of this).

[Tankengine]

nkland
I don't know of anyone who does a PA before about 15mins before top of descent, so about 45 mins before touchdown.
The cabin crew may do one earlier though.