Aer Lingus Cadet (merged 2011)

[n.dave]

Hi, does anybody knows what happen to Aer Lingus recruitment?
Applied few months back and only received a receipt from them.

[Guernott]

Hi!

No news.... I applied few months ago....
Do you think we'll be called???

[minimumunstick]

I received another e-mail about a week ago where they again confirmed that they received my application etc.. pretty much the same as the receipt I got as soon as I sent in the application.

Not sure what the purpose of the e-mail was, still haven't heard anything. Basically just said that they would call if I met the requirements etc.

[dingbat2407]

From what I have seen they only seem to be recruiting low our ab initio guys at the moment straight from flight school (some that havent even completed an MCC), very frustrating for all of us out her that have been working for years building hours waiting patiently for this opportunity to come around. We seem to be in a black hole hours wise, too many for the airlines looking for newbies and not enough for airlines looking for experience:ugh:. Keep plugging away guys and we'll get there eventually.

[dbriglee]

Not quite true. It seems they have been going through the applications again and sending out repeat emails to people saying they have received the application.

A friend has an interview with them next week. 2000hr TP

Good luck!

[power.r]

I also applied for AerLingus and have not heard anything yet from them but i did hear they got over 3000 applications, so we could be waiting a while!
Especially with the cabin crew strikes at the moment

[mpccat]

Yeah i applied with aer lingus, i believe the closing date was december 10th 2010, i havent heard anything back. I am just fresh out of flight school. So they are taking their time.

[Herc708]

If you do not get an interview for Flight Deck there is a 'back door' opportunity advertised on the Aer Lingus website

Aer Lingus: About Us - Aircraft Cleaners (http://www.aerlingus.com/aboutus/careersvacancies/aircraftcleaners/#d.en.8035)

I understand that modular candidates will have a head start as they are more likely to have had experience cleaning bars etc around Dublin. However CTC Cadet candidates will not be discriminated against . Aer Lingus expects to create a holding pool for cleaners as they are likley to be overwhelmed with candidates for these 'exciting positions' which offer 'full airline benefits'

When you apply you will receive an email which states "...Aer Lingus will be in contact in the near future with those who best meet our criteria..."

Note that the training offered is the Airbus 'Tech Stop Operational Support Executive' which is only delivered in Toulouse. Only candidates who pass the theory exams with a mark of 85% or more and passes the 'Lavatorial Test' in the first series will be accepted. Aer Lingus regrets that if the candidate fails these tests, no altrentive employment will be offered

[zondaracer]

Herc708,

I think i would do well in the lavatorial test, at least that's what my wife says. This literally is a backdoor opportunity! Lol

[Nigel Gray]

I applied. 2500h, 1500 turboprop. I got the receipt email (thank you Aer Lingus), but nothing heard yet.

[pilot_FI]

I have also applyed last december. Nothing heard yet except the legendary "thank you for your application" email.:) But I think there´s still hope.:cool:

[corsair]

I applied for a ground job in Aer Lingus recently, not as a cleaner, didn't even get a standard email reply. Enquiries revealed the job was gone the minute it was advertised. Actually before............

From past experience, if you haven't heard any more by now. You won't.

[Flying Wild]

I just got a call for interview next Thursday from Aer Lingus HR based on my application from before Christmas. Unforunately I've already sprung for a TR with another operator (with a firm job offer before stumping up the cash - the most important factor IMHO) and am well stuck in to the course and enjoying it thoroughly.
Never mind eh, it's another opportunity for someone else. There is still hope out there...

[zondaracer]

WG100, Aerlingus HR probably saw this thread and retracted the job offer for the guy who lied about failing an IR checkride, and then called you! :\

[avhead]

Does anyone know how many FO's they are recruiting over the next while?

[Love_joy]

Recruitment remains ongoing. A fellow FO in my outfit was called recently for interview the same week.

[pilot_FI]

Hi all,

Does anyone know what kind of questions they ask at an Aer Lingus interview? And is there good atmosphere?

- FI

[Danilowich]

Hi,

I've also been called for "interview" and "psychometri assessment" in 2 weeks. Does anybodu know what kind of test may we expect? Where to study from? Or maybe, what is the usual job offer for A320 typed and experienced F/O? Tks

[NikB]

Hi fellows
After months of sitting, waiting, wishing, i just got the PFO email from Aer Lingus :( but i guess that means they have finally started calling people???
Anyway better luck next time.Hope the rest of you have a more positive outcome :)

[nitro57]

Any more other info on aer lingus cadetships ?

[231153]

Does the Aer Lingus A320 have a CatIII b landing system?

[st patrick]

:ok:sure do! Please dont judge the flight crew training side of the house by your experience with the HR side!

[Captain_Bling]

I opted for using an expensive courier service to post my CV to Aer Lingus rather than the email option. Whether this showed them my enthusiasm/desperation is unclear but I received the email about two weeks later saying my application had been processed.

Once again, fingers crossed:ok:

[MCDU2]

As an aside we were told a few months back that Flight Ops had received over 3000 applications for the FO slots. No doubt it has increased since then after they readvertised.

Originally I understand we were looking for 50 new pilots, although this seems to be a moving target. If you made a reasoned guess that they would interview say 10 for each slot then that is 500 people to invite forward. This equates to only a 17% chance of being called up. If you were lucky to get the job then that is a 2% chance out of the original 3000 applications.

Probably no different odds to any other first time job going and highlights just how few people will get a job once they have completed their training. Good luck.

[Spacecruise]

I had email from them unfortunately refused:zzz:

[Markerry]

In the not so distance future (Before september 2011!), Aer Lingus may advertise a 75% sponsored cadet pilot programme.

I have started this thread to hopefully aid, discuss & compare when the recruitment does go ahead.

Alot of you will wonder, "why bother with a sponsored cadet programme"?, in short, Aer Lingus would prefer to recruit their own frock of first officers, they have good reasons for this new move.

Coming up on 10 years since 9/11, since sponsorships have ended, and the airline industry is starting to really miss there own hand picked and company trained pilots.

The tides may be turning (For good this time), the bean-counters have had the ball for far too long !

Refresh the Aer Lingus Careers page, check the Irish Indepandant ! Thats all I will say...

[captainsuperstorm]

is a 2% chance out of the original 3000 applications.

spent 100'000 euro for 2%, this is where you are heading.:{

you make more money in a casino.

f...aviation!

[skyways1452]

Having applied for the Cityjet scheme and gotten through to interviews, I'm wondering have I shot myself in the foot here..

[havana_club69]

Hi Markerry,

While I agree with just about all you have said in your post, Im just curious where you got the figure of 75% towards sponsorship for the training from? Ive been keeping a very close eye on this cadetship and have yet to hear what exactly they will offer....

[corsair]

Skyways, you have heard of the saying: 'A bird in the hand being worth two in the bush'.

I've seen some very rose tinted views of this potential cadet scheme in various fora. I have to say, being a cynical old goat, that it is probably misplaced. The best you can probably expect is help with a loan. There are several well established examples of a mix of funding and help with loans for cadetships. I simply cannot see Aer Lingus providing money up front themselves. Not given their current attempts at cutting everywhere in the airline. It might be that the optimists in the pilot training side are proposing various sponsored schemes but you have to wonder would it get past Herr Mueller.

Also for those of you thinking, this is your chance. It will be vastly oversubscribed particularly if there is any sponsorship because that will attract people who've barely thought of being a pilot until they saw the ad in the paper. If you look at the numbers applying for the FO positions, you could probably quadruple the number of applications for a sponsored cadetship.

I remember going for the sponsored cadetships back in the day. They would literally fill big halls with people during the aptitude tests for several days and that was when it was mainly an Irish affair. This time they will probably hire the Albert Hall in London for the aptitude tests just for the British applicants alone.

Assuming it's sponsored of course, which I doubt.

[mark_c]

Anyone interested in the cadetship should probably buy the weekend papers this weekend ;) so im told anyway, dont shoot me if im wrong!

[MUFC_fan]

PTC - That is all. ;)

[mark_c]

Im hearing and hoping FTE.

[Scandinavian123]

Will the cadetship be open for swedes too? And when will occur? :)

[aviator_]

surely the cadetship is like most now in the world. You pay your own training , go to a school lingus are linked with , they monitor you during your training if they like you at the end you go into MCC and type rating (at aer lingus's cost) that is the only payment that offer up I would imagine. Plus once out of training you dont do interviews.

Good Luck to all and the very lucky few to get in.

[mark_c]

Sounds better than most of the cadetships these days... all will be revealed this weekend (i hope) ‪Aer Lingus‬‏ - YouTube

[skyways1452]

I'm relieved that there is at last concrete evidence that it is going ahead! It's interesting about the male FO.. Says that the cadet program was open while he was leaving school, I assume he must have six or seven years with the company under his belt then?

[minuteman]

Make that 12 or 13......

[Aerlingus231]

Given that the Irish leaving cert results are being announced in about 3 weeks, I'd say they'd launch the program to tie in with those, or close enough to it...

[corsair]

Well all will be revealed soon. The video is interesting the male FO looks very youthful but if he went to WMU he must be with them at least 12 years.

Given the amount of speculation and fantasizing about this. I will be interesting to see how it actually turns out.

I would be very surprised if it turned out to be fully sponsored.

Edit: Latest news is that it will be part funded.

[mark_c]

Aer Lingus is delighted to announce a new Cadet Pilot Training Programme. The programme will be officially launched via national press advertisements and the Aer Lingus website on Sunday 31st July.

The Cadet Pilot Training Programme, which will be part funded by Aer Lingus, is an exceptional opportunity for individuals to train and qualify as a commercial pilot on the Airbus A320 fleet of aircraft.

The training programme, due to commence between late 2011 and early 2012, takes 14 months to complete and consists of a number of phases combining classroom and simulator based training. Upon successful completion, Cadets receive an Airline Transport Pilots Licence and Multi Engine Instrument Rating before undergoing Airbus A320 type training

[havana_club69]

Id love to see them returning to WMU to complete the flight training!

Finally some definitive information on this subject, now we just wait to see what the small print has to say!

[mark_c]

By the way folks that was an internal staff notice which i robbed from another forum, so credit goes to the poster on the other forum!

[havana_club69]

Yeah got the same information from the same site you're talking about :D

[IrishJason]

No let up RE the fine details yet no ? Still going to be about 90k up front and bonded etc ??

[mark_c]

We should know by this time tomorrow!!!

[stepdown]

Application in now open

Aer Lingus: Cadet Pilot Training Programme - Cadet Pilot Training Programme (http://www.aerlingus.com/pilot/#d.en.9823)

[Aerlingus231]

But it's still as ambigious as hell, no mention of cost or location..... And it closes on Aug 14th, which rules out this years leaving certs...

[irish laddie]

Great to finally see concrete proof of the cadet programme. It is rather disappointing that the portion of the costs paid by the candidate remain a mystery.

[dublinaviator]

It still doesn't say how the cost will be borne by the cadet. I'm still hoping that it will be in the form of a reduction in wages and being bonded to the airline for so many years. If its in the form of an upfront payment, then that rules me out...

[Hardy Buck]

New D/E FO Pay is 54,700 PA.
Cadet Entry FO pay is 41,500 PA for first 24 months. ppjn..

Doing the maths from above I'd say a good guess is aerlingus will pay 25K, the other 75k is from your own pocket!

There are still a few sons and daughters of rich irish familys that can afford this so goodluck to them.
All they need to do is bribe the aptitude test people :ugh:

[corsair]

But it's still as ambigious as hell, no mention of cost or location..... And it closes on Aug 14th, which rules out this years leaving certs... No it doesn't rule out this year's school leavers. There'll be a pending box for the exam results. That was always allowed for in Aer Lingus.

The first test for applicants is understanding the application process:=

Another test is committment:I'll be applying since I've always loved flying and wanted to be a pilot since the year dot, but it was the cost that put me off going down this route in recent years. If you say that at the interview you won't be hearing from them again. It's not just rich kids who fly. Most find a way of getting the money. I know very few who had it handed to them. So if you get to the interview stage tell them how you had it all worked out if the issue arises.

[BerksFlyer]

The form is very confusing if you haven't done the Irish system. It seems like the upper form can be used for GCSEs, the lower for A Levels, but we don't have the A1 A2 A3 etc. grades and there's no way of specifying that you're talking about junior cert (which I believe is GCSE equivalent) in lieu of higher cert (which is officially 2/3 of an A level). Even without that problem, the names of the subjects I did at GCSE aren't in the dropdown menu (My school didn't do individual science at GCSE level - it was science and additional science). I'd stick it in the 'other education' place, but I have a degree to be talking about too!

Very confusing form. It's not a case of 'the form filters out the idiots', it's simply that the form does not provide the answers required.

[Speedbird13]

Argh, wish I was old enough to apply!
18 by January 1st 2011? no. :(

[cessnagirl]

The application is up on their website. Don't be speculating about the costs or the training location. Read the website and you'll see ...

From the website...

Training Location
A number of training locations are being considered. The final choice will be advised to you later in the recruitment process. Opportunities for travel home during the course will be limited.

Training Costs
The approximate cost of the training programme is €100,000. If you are successful in your application you will be required to fund a portion of the training costs. The details of this will be outlined at a later stage in the selection process.


Just fill in the app and see what happens. Best of luck to all those applying.

XXX Cessnagirl

[iFlyPilot]

It says in your profile that you are 19 Speedbird?

Good luck to all those who are applying.

[loughrey1]

Hi guys, I am 17 and going into my last year of school this year. I live up in Belfast and have been looking at all my options of how I can train. I have been to both the OAA and PTC open days. Both good however liked the sound of OAA.
Now I have heard this cadet scheme I honestly have no clue.
Do you think Aer Lingus will run a similar scheme the same time next year? I really like the sound of the whole thing, not only because its part-funded, but also because they mentor you and you know that you have a very good chance of a job at the end!
Thanks

[corsair]

Do you think Aer Lingus will run a similar scheme the same time next year?You can never tell. Circumstances can change. When I was in school there were cadetships, fully sponsored, every year. When I left school I applied that year, didn't get in that time. No problem, try again next year. Only there was no next year or the year after and the cadets who got in when I applied ended up working all over Aer Lingus for years until slots came available. In an ironic twist four of them worked with me in the same job.

So just hope there's another competition. But makes plans for doing it all yourself.

[nitro57]

Berksflyer I 've got the same problem dont know where to put my relevant qualifications. Also reading the Educational criteria compared with the UK system and application form is quite confusing. Are they saying that the minimum qualications for UK candidates are passing GCSEs? I might send them an email asking for clarification and advice

[BerksFlyer]

Well in the end I just didn't fill in the top bit. I filled in the second bit with both my A Levels and GCSEs - there wasn't enough room for all of them, but I put the key ones in. They're not going to fret over that surely.

[Speedbird13]

It says in your profile that you are 19 Speedbird?


just noticed this myself :ok: I'm 17, sadly ):


But yes, good luck to everyone applying!! :)

[Mike.]

I know that technically there should be equal chances for all EU residents but in practice would an English guy have the odds stacked against him when applying for this? Just curious!

[BerksFlyer]

I know that technically there should be equal chances for all EU residents but in practice would an English guy have the odds stacked against him when applying for this? Just curious!

I'm curious of this as well. Hopefully the cream will come to the top. As we know though, that's too often not the case!

[thisisadamh]

Hi,
I would love to try for the cadet program but I would like to get a degree first. So I am wondering how often AerLingus offer the cadet scheme?

Thanks,
Adam

[skyways1452]

Adam,

No-one really knows but they are looking for people mid-way through third level education or graduates so you're best bet is to do the degree and that will stand you in good stead should they advertise again.

1452

[BerksFlyer]

No-one really knows but they are looking for people mid-way through third level education or graduates so you're best bet is to do the degree and that will stand you in good stead should they advertise again.


Do you reckon that they'd be looking for those in third level education to finish their degree first? It seems like they want the successful applicants to be starting training later this year and so pack in the degree. I'd fully expect that anyway, but it's interesting that they're targeting those in the process of studying for a degree.

[fms_fail]

They do not say you need a degree. It says third level studies. The reason for this is you are showing them that you can study as the 14 months of training is intensive. A hell of a lot of ground studies with practical flying. Trust me! :-)

[loughrey1]

Do you not think in this day and age it is pretty unrealistic for them to ask for a degree. The cost of Flight school alone is $$$$$$$$$$$ and with university fees going up. Im 17 and all of my friends will be going into university this time next year. I have had to seriously consider whether it is beneficial for me to do a degree and to be honest it is not! It is what 3/4 years of paying up to 6k a year, plus living costs etc. Its alright for people in the south (I actually thinking the southern system regarding University is brilliant!) but for us up north it is just unrealistic!

Plus im doing A-levels in Physics, Maths, ICT andTechnology. They are hard! Do you not think that shows enough commitment and ability to complete the course, (which I know will be very hard and intense).

[dublinaviator]

loughrey1: How is the system different? As far as I'm aware all uni applications in the UK are done through UCAS....Grants in the UK only cover limited expenses, they don't cover the cost of tuition fees. Whereas grants in Ireland can also cover the registration fee depending on your circumstances. And in Ireland, it is 1 registration fee for every college, whereas tuition fees vary significantly in the UK depending on the college.

[Speedbird13]

loughrey1: How is the system different? As far as I'm aware all uni applications in the UK are done through UCAS....


Southern Ireland is the Republic - so isn't part of the UK and thus has it's own system, which I'm assuming isn't as high student fees? Although even Scotland has much cheaper fees and a different system than England, Northern Ireland and Wales.





I agree with Loughrey1 though, It'll be about £12-15,000 a year for 3/4 years at uni to get a degree, and then an extra £70,000 for flight training afterwards? You're left starting at Aer Lingus with about £70,000 loans to pay back, plus an extra £60,000 you've got to start paying back in uni fees!

[dublinaviator]

Southern Ireland is the Republic - so isn't part of the UK and thus has it's own system, which I'm assuming isn't as high student fees? Although even Scotland has much cheaper fees and a different system than England, Northern Ireland and Wales.

I don't think that stevop21 was implying the Republic was still part of the UK, at least I hope hes not that stupid.

I think he was just making the point that UCAS points are used to calculate the CAO points equivilant for students in the UK applying for college courses in Ireland.

[Scandinavian123]

what happens if get u selected and they make you fund 60-80 % of the training and you don't have the money? it's bad that they don't present the sum on the application page otherwise you might end up in deep s**t

[dublinaviator]

How would you end up in deep sh*t? If you have to get a loan, you'd only do that after being offered the job (by which time you'd know the final cost). The reason they can't give the sum now is because they're still negotiating with flight schools on prices.

[MightyDucks]

Has anybody any idea how many cadets they are planning to take on?

[MCDU2]

Think it's about 20 from reading a union document that was issued a week or so ago.

[docash1983]

I guess the best we can hope for regarding personal funding is that the word 'partial' means just that. I do agree its a little vague as to how much they are willing to stump up. It may be the case that they have not decided yet (which i find doubtful). I guess as many have said the only way is to apply and see what happens.

Best of luck to you all

[OldChinaHand]

Are EI out of their tiny little minds, how can this company, who are screaming for cost cutting, justify paying for Cadet training, when there are 100's of trained, jobless, deemed competent, fully qualified Pilots out there screaming for these positions. It beggars belief.

PS: I am not, have not applied to be, dont want to be an EI Pilot.

[glanza97]

i have to agree with you 'oldchinahand' i cant understand it either especially when they are trying to cut costs, and there are so many jobless A320 pilots out dare, you would wonder why they are doing this, anybody any ideas.??

Best of luck to anybody applying..

[Jumna]

I totally agree with you OldChinaHand.

And please correct me if I´m wrong, but my understanding of their webpage is this €100,000 part-funded is only for the CPL/ATPL (frozen). How many flight hours will this give you?

What further concerns me is they state: "...When you have qualified from flight school you will be scheduled for the Airbus 320 type training course...."

To me, this sounds like the 100k is for the flight school training. After that I will be scheduled for the Airbus 320 Type Rating, which would appear to be another course and last time I checked cost about €35,000 for the licence (including 40 or so hours in sim & 6 touch & goes) plus a further €39,000 for 500 hours of line training.

Are Aer Lingus going to fund these courses too?

Remember, all of this for "...When qualified, you may be offered a position..."

And there are, not only as OldChinaHand has said, 100s of perfectly qualified pilots with experience currently unemployed and literally screaming for a job in an airline, but I would say 1,000s in Europe in the same position, including pilots working without pay just to get hours. It is a sorry sorry state and I´m disgusted at my national airline for chosing this route.

For those of you who are seriously considering becoming pilot, I strongly recommend speaking to a pilot who has already gone down the route of 100% funding their training themselves, and are without employment.

[corsair]

The impression I've been given is that EI can't hold onto to their pilots. Aer Lingus are short of pilots partly because they precipitiously got rid of some of the more expensive older hands and partly because being an Aer Lingus pilot means you are attractive to the likes of BA or anyone really. So people are leaving for pastures new.

This would apparently apply to a lot of the self funded pilots they took on recently.

It's been suggested that these cadetships are almost a panic measure to try and get some pilots who will stay the course and not bugger off once they have a few years in an Airbus and have become very marketable.

Possibly through some heavy ball and chain bonding. These new cadets will have a big debt to pay and the partial sponsorship will ensure they're bonded for a long time. Aer Lingus are trying not to be a preferred supplier of pilots for BA DEs.

Time will tell.

[OldChinaHand]

You are probably hitting the nail on the head with your logic Corsair. Of course if a Pilot job is worth having, there is no need for any bond, people will not bail out.
My informants tell me a high failure rate on courses may be something to do with it.

[corsair]

Indeed OCH, if a pilot job is worth having they will stay but the fact is that Ireland is too small to provide sufficent Irish pilots who can satisfy EI's particular requirements. Certainly in terms of self sponsored pilots. Irish recruits though are far more likely to stay and make a career of it even if the job isn't the best around.

Aer Lingus has a well known preference for integrated course graduates which also restricts them. On top of which their selection process with it's reliance on psychometric test even for DEs, narrows it again. That means they have to cast their net even wider. So they must hire non Irish quite simply because they exclude the majority of Irish candidates before they even get to the starting gate.

Non Irish pilots are more likely to move on to pastures new particularly for better pay, prospects and possibilities of earlier command.

So logically the most likely candidate to stay on and make a career of Aer Lingus is probably Irish. But of course by the very nature of their recruitment process they exclude much of the Irish self improvers. The very people who would want to stay and see out their career in Aer Lingus.

This recruitment drive seems to be a way solving this problem of their own making. Tie them down with bonds and maybe they'll stay a bit longer whether they be Irish or British or Polish.

It's rather ironic that there's a high failure rate on their courses given their recruitment process. So much for integrated graduates being better!

[fireoff]

I've heard from the HR Dept. - 20 pilots per year for the next 5 years.

[yoland]

If Aer Lingus is so flush with cash and can afford to train their own pilots despite the fact that there are so many qualified irish pilots available, would'nt it be far more viable to recruit a proper HR department and remove the idiots that put them in this mess! :ugh:

[havana_club69]

Well out of 8000 applicants from their last recruitment drive earlier in the year they only managed to get about 20 recruits - so whatever standards they are looking for they must certainly be high! They're obviously looking for something "special" (note the quotes) and believe they can get what they want by overseeing the training straight from the get-go! However it doesnt really solve the problem of pilot shortages between now and the time the cadets will be trained!

[SAND BALLS OF FIRE]

cadets would still have to be trained ....... frind of mine just recieved his invitation fot the online assessment and IF qualified personal interview and re assessment on 29 september 2011 in dublin airport


"Candidates successful at this online assessment stage of the selection process will be invited to attend an assessment centre at a venue near Dublin Airport on dates between the 19th and 29th of September 2011. Please keep a note of this important timeframe".

[RSTurbo50]

I too have just recieved an email to do the online assessments. Will take about an hour and a half according to the email and 8 assessments in total...

Is there anywhere you can practise online before actually starting them?

Stu

[Smell the Coffee]

Interesting that EI have got back to applicants prior to the 14th August deadline. Mind you, BA do the same with their DEP applicants.

[RTN11]

So is the scheme open to people with CPL & IR, or will they make you redo all the training with them at a cost of £100k

[SAND BALLS OF FIRE]

lets see..... and i dont think you can really pratice theses tests prior .... i dunno ... about but for those with cpl and ir its real financial suicide if you have to re do all the training.... just my 2 cents .... it could be mpl as well ....:ok:

[BerksFlyer]

I got the email for online assessment too. I'm hopeful that Aer Lingus will secure any loan required, like the BA scheme TBA. You can only try...

[Sky Scratcher]

The scheme leads to a fATPL and is defiantly not an MPL. You can practise the tests, many say practising doesn’t really make a difference. However brushing up on your maths and practising some verbal reasoning tests will surely be beneficial. Well that’s what I plan to do. :8

[nitro57]

Guys to those of you that have been fortunate enough to have recieved a response from Aer Lingus and have been through the UK education system, In which boxes did you enter you respective GCSE/ A level results in ?

[Sky Scratcher]

I completed my GCSE’s and A-Levels in Northern Ireland, as you have stated the boxes containing ‘drop down menu’s’ were restricted to a handful of subjects (only 3 of which I had studied for GCSE) and the grading was different.

Because of this, I entered all my GCSE and A-level results in the 3 x 12 table just below that table, I got an email around 16:30 inviting me to take the online assessments. Don’t worry if you haven’t heard yet, with the volume of people that would have applied it may well take a few days.

[jedjnr]

Can anyone give me advice for the Aer Lingus Cadet online assesment?
THanks

[121ace]

^
Erm how about no! Wtf do you think this is; a sainsburys application? We are all essentially competing against one another for this scheme; and if anyone was to give you info on the assessments; they are a bigger fool than you.

[Mike.]

jedjnr - The only advice I can give you is to do as badly as you can on all parts of the assessment (task permitting, don't even enter an answer). This will show them you are a maverick and that you don't play by the rules ; airlines love this ;)

[Boe787ing]

wow u guys are so nice!

[Mike.]

A bit of friendly banter :)

[SAND BALLS OF FIRE]

just watch my friend do the online exam and considered pretty cool actually hhahand ah
specially the 2 last one's of multi tasking and hand eye coordinatition....
lets see whats up next and hope for the best! good luck to all of you guys!:D:D:D

[RSTurbo50]

Multitasking and hand eye i think i did ok, as for the rest :uhoh:

[Scandinavian123]

How long did it take for you guys to get a reply from the moment that you sent in your application( giving you a invite to the online assessment)?

[Sky Scratcher]

I got mine the next day. Still havent done the assessments yet though

[Boe787ing]

i got a reply instantly after submitting but i am still waiting to hear back its been 2 days now.

[BerksFlyer]

It took about 5 days for me to hear back I think. Bare in mind it doesn't close for applicants until the 14th.

[Scandinavian123]

Ah ok, i apply from Sweden and we have another grading system(maybe that's why it takes some time). I hope they read my application because I put down a lot of effort on it :S

[Sky Scratcher]

Im sure everyone put in a lot of effort

[FizzyD]

Just completed all my assessments.

Hand Eye co-ordination wasn't too bad, nor was multitasking. The rest was quite standard for most aptitude tests. The numerical reasoning part was surprisingly easy considering their 'You may not complete all questions in the alloted time' warning.

Ah well, done what I can for now, all I can do is hope for the best!

G'luck!

[Boe787ing]

well thats reassuring, hope they invite for the assessment fingers crossed

[stella di mare]

verbal reasoning was a bit harder for a technician like me. Loads of questions in a short amount of time:) Multitasking was fun though!

[RSTurbo50]

i think the verbal reasoning was perhaps the most difficult along with the 3 dimensional cube, really struggled with them two. As for the rest, so so..

Any idea when we get the results?

[Scandinavian123]

What is verbal reasoning? :)

[RSTurbo50]

Did people manage to do all of the verbal reasoning questions? I have to say I fell way short but I doubt there would have been an expectation to complete them all...

[stella di mare]

Scandinavian123, doing the test in turkish while you are scandinavian?

[Scandinavian123]

@Stella di mare, whatcho talkin' about?

[Sharklet]

Does anyone who has already got an fATPL applied and been accepted or is this only for people wanting to take out their licence?

[Q10]

Same here RSTurbo, Fell short as well and if you want do it good u WILL fall short. There is no way anybody can complete the whole test with good thinking about the answers.

Rest was pretty much easy ? With maths i kept thinking, this can't be this easy there must be a catch!
I loved the multitasking one :D

[RSTurbo50]

Yeah the maths wasnt too bad to be fair. I found the 3 dimensional cube tough and the memory task. However, the others seemed ok i think...

Loved the multitasking, the reaction task and the final one flying through the tunnel..

Any idea when we should hear back?

[docash1983]

Has anyone else had problems with the multitasking i.e getting the bloody plane to move by pressing you left mouse button. Ive tried to do it on two different comps each with different mouse and different servers e.g explorer and google and just cannot get the thing to work in the example test.

[docash1983]

and dont i now feel a tad stupid, thanks mate.

[docash1983]

I know how you feel, I panicked, on the diameter one, even though the math questions were not that hard. I expected algebra problems (factorisation, rearranging equations etc) which was not the case. Those 3D cubes though, hats off to those who can do them without scratching their head! Overall I was surprised at the tests, unfortunately I dont think I will be getting an invite to Dublin.

Best of luck to you and all others who took the tests.

[TIGER19919]

Will the air ticket be accounted for if one manages to pass the online tests?

[RNAVapproach]

I submitted my application on Friday but haven't got any response regarding tests yet. Anyone else in the same boat. The closing date is today but is that for the application or the tests?

[BerksFlyer]

Will the air ticket be accounted for if one manages to pass the online tests?

Very much doubt it. Why would they pay for you to fly all the way from Singapore?

[MylesSRi]

Yea. I submitted mine on Thursday night. Just got the automated email. Still no link to online test. However I'm presuming it's because HR is off Saturday's and Sunday's

[Scandinavian123]

Same as RNAV and myles, i sent in my application Friday afternoon, hopefully they will reply the following week

[stella di mare]

Scandinavian123, part of the online assessment is a verbal reasoning test. A text with a couple of questions. You can choose the language you like.

[Scandinavian123]

@Stella.
Thanks for the reply :) could you choose Swedish for the test?

[stella di mare]

I don't know? I'm not swedish and I do not remember all the available languages..

[LadyB]

Just wondering from those that have already completed the online tests, are they anything like those that the Air Corps use? Thanks

[Scandinavian123]

Does anybody know what a "complex control test" is? I googled it but didn't find anything :S

[spoon84]

I did the test yesterday without any training and I found it quite interessting. Some task are quite difficult but I think that overall it's a good test for anyone that can be done without any training. You will not find any difficult math of physics, only basic formulas.
I loved the test where you have to "fly" in the middle of the holes....really nice :E:ok:
Now, waiting a feedback but I don't expect a lot, I did it because I want to try and see how it was... If it's positive really good if not...dont' mind.

Do you think we will receive an email also for negative answer?

[NovemberDelta84]

@spoon84

not sure, probably not...

[iFlyPilot]

@Spoon84, I am sure all candidates who attempted the online tests will receive an e-mail informing them of the next stage. However, I doubt feedback will be given as such for each individual test if one failed to make it to Dublin.

[spoon84]

Yeah I understand this but I was wondering if they will give or not an answer to all the people who did the online assessment.
When I did the test for the ATC selection with SKyguide, they sent you an email at every stage saying YES you going forward or NOT, but anyway doesn't matter whatever they do it's fine! ;)

[flyingmam254]

Anybody not recieved the link for the assessment yet? I sent my app saturday and only recieved the auto mail.

[Q10]

They better send you the assessment asap. The longer they wait with the final assessments, the longer we have to wait for the results haha. Goodluck if you get 'em! :ok:

[WILCO.XMG]

Dont worry flyingman. I am in the same boat.

it will take time, patience is needed.

[MylesSRi]

I sent my application on Thursday night and didn't get my link until Monday evening, if you meet or exceed the criteria I'm pretty sure you are guaranteed an online assessment. It is probably the online assessment stage where they start weeding large amounts of people out.

[flyingmam254]

grand, thanks a mill!

[WILCO.XMG]

just got my invitation to sit the application there now flyingman.

im sure yours will be in soon.

[flyingmam254]

yeah cheers, just got mine there now as well

[Conor77]

Anyone do the EI online tests on a mac? any browser issue to report?
thanks

[RUaFool]

Could someone here who has applied for this Aer Lingus cadet training program tell me if there is or will be a fee charged for the selection process. If so, how much?

[Conor77]

I have had issues in the past with Java applets on mac and just wondered if any one else had problems when doing the online test..

[iFabio2]

I have had issues in the past with Java applets on mac and just wondered if any one else had problems when doing the online test..

I did it with a Macbook and had zero problems. Not sure if that was a java applet or some flash stuff though

fabio

[spoon84]

I did it as well and worked fine!

[WILCO.XMG]

A lot of the language used was quite poor i thought. I would have expected much more efficient way of explaining what was expected from each test.

In particular the Numerical section was quite poor.

[RSTurbo50]

To all those asking what to expect from the test, just do it and you will find out. No offense but we are competing against one another so nobody is going to allow somerone else an advantage if you get me...that would be crazy..

[Mike.]

Only people like you would say this say this kind of stuff.. people with no confinace.. and no belief in them selfs! The online assesment is only a litttle thing! the main thing is the Interview! If u can nail that then your better than others! People like you wont get too far in life any way dude http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif What u need to learn before anything is to have a Big heart! then you'll never lose! But cos I'm not you I'm gonna do the test in a bit and give feedback to everyone! Cos I want everyone to be at the top! Not at the buttom like you http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/wink2.gif


RSTurbo50 is entirely correct. Whilst charming, your sentiments are rather naive and I certainly don't think you are in a position to tell anyone that they 'wont get too far in life'. Are you sure your 21?

[Morris542]

Might want to practise your nuclear physics and logarithms. I must admit I wasn't expecting an essay question on Hamlet, or the French listening comprehension...

[Q10]

b737dude.

First u ask for advice about the assessments and when somebody correctly points out we are competing against eachother u say the assessments are nearly nothing(not important). So why do u ask for advice then ? No offense intended but at this stage of the selection process its every man/woman for him/herself. We'll work on that teambuilding in Dublin :ok:

[RUaFool]

Two questions:
1. Does anybody know how many cadets they are going to take on?
2. Did any of you who have applied pay a fee to do the online test?

An answer to these questions would be much appreciated. I entered this "competition" about 10 or more years ago (in my innocence) and can give you all some clue about the process if anybody's interested. But first, I need to know if anything has changed since I entered, and I need to know if you were charged a fee to enter or if you will have to pay a fee if you are "selected" for the Dublin hotel interview. If so, how much? Thanks

[MylesSRi]

Anyone care to give a guesstimation as to when they will start informing individuals if they are to attend Dublin for further assessment?? I personally reckon they will be sending emails out within a week or two weeks time.

[BerksFlyer]

Start of next week I reckon. I'm interested to know whether the initial application will have any weight behind it at this stage or whether its purely going to be on your score in the assessments.

[MylesSRi]

Yes I reckon the initial application will have a lot of weight. Otherwise, I don't think they would of asked for much information on your extra ciricular activities, positions of responsibility etc etc.

[RSTurbo50]

B737 Dude, I have no idea what you are talking about to be honest but at this stage it is every man for himself and as a couple of the guys rightly pointed out, the team building shall begin in Dublin should we proceed to the next phase....

Just do the test, if your successful and get through great but at 21, i very much doubt your in a position to preach the complexities of how one is to get far in life at such a young age...

Best of luck everyone and fingers crossed.. ;)

[MylesSRi]

Ruafool

1. The rumour is 20.

2. No, there has been no fee for the online test.

[RUaFool]

Thanks Myles for the info. When you do get "the call" to move into the next stage (and I do think everyone will get the call) please let me know if there's a fee involved then and I will write more at that time because there are some things you all need to be aware of. I've gone through this about ten or more years ago and I will tell you my experience.

Secondly, the idea of RUMOURS being the only source of information as to how many openings there are is kind of strange, don't you think? What if it's ONE? Don't you all want to know what your odds are? Why aren't you all DEMANDING from Aer Lingus this information? RUMOURS are not information.

Keep me informed if there's a fee for the next stage. Thanks.

[aviator001]

Apart from being a complete id**t, it seems from previous posts of yours that you are infact recently qualified. So why would you be applying for a cadet programme??!! You, my friend, will go far in life.. Good luck with it all.
Av.... :ok:

[neverpaytofly]

it seems from previous posts of yours that you are infact recently qualified. So why would you be applying for a cadet programme??!!

because he realized his license doesn't worth more the toilet paper I have in my W.C!
this is true, suddenly all airlines will start a cadet training as long you have the 100'000 euro to give them.It seems it's the only way to maintain their airline in this bloody bath.

Pilots like us, with a few hundred or thousand of hours, don't know where to go now. There are so many pilots all looking for a first job.



this industry has become a joke, I am sick of it!:yuk: I just regret to have start flying training with my own money years ago.

[st patrick]

The interview will quite likely be a two or three onto one affair with a senior pilot, cabin crew and HR.

Numbers are right-composition wrong! Likely to be 1 pilot & 1 HR in first interview, 2 pilots and 1 HR in the second interview. Impressing cabin crew reserved for overnights :)!!

Rest of it is about right!

[RSTurbo50]

Has anyone recieved any replies yet from Lingus with regards the results of the assessments?

[NovemberDelta84]

RSTurbo50
nothing yet :( completed my assessement on the 13th of August ...

[spoon84]

No reply yet, but don't panic! :ugh:

[Shamrocker]

Hi folks,

Firstly, good luck to one and all. I'm old enough to have been eligible for the last Aer Lingus sponsorship scheme back in '99 I believe - that's 1999 btw :) and I can remember it vividly - fear, excitement, inexplicable disappointment.

Would be really interested to hear if anyone over the big 30 was called for the online assessment?

Thanks,
Previous-Wannabe Shamrocker!

PS: previous post regarding assessment is in line with my experience. Initial test based screening is to meet a pre-defined standard.

[RSTurbo50]

Hi Shamrocker,

I will be 32 in September, cant believe im actually saying that lol but I was accepted for the online assessment.....:D

[Scandinavian123]

Has anybody recieved an invitation for the second stage yet? (the waiting is such a pain:ugh:)

[RSTurbo50]

Nope im still waiting. I would imagine we will find out by the end of this week..

[Conor77]

@ Shamrocker
I'm 34 and got to take the online test..

[RSTurbo50]

older makes you wiser ;)

[Shamrocker]

@RSTurbo50
@Conor77

Great news - thanks for the info - all the best and hopefully ye'll get a call sometime soon.

[pablissimo]

@ Shamrocker - I am 40 :{ and was invited to the online assessment.

I don't know if they screened the applications prior to issuing invites, I have a bit of experience in aviation, which may have swung it for me - I am a trained ATCO.

[spoon84]

still no reply from Aer Lingus, I think we will wait till next week.

have a nice weekend everyone! ;)

[FizzyD]

Thought that we would have heard something by now! The wait continues...

[markPR]

Hi all, first post:). When i was completing the online assessments I was unable to complete the verbal reasoning part due to a ''technical difficultly'' (thats what the page displayed anyway) and it has been blocked ever since. However I completed all the other parts and have since emailed aer lingus 3 times about what happened and had no response. Just off the phone with the HR department 5 minutes ago and they said, they have had a huge amount of applicants and a huge amount of queries, they are working their way through each of these, so it may be a while before we find out.
Good luck to everyone who has applied

[mark_c]

Im watching a thread on another forum, similar to this one, and it appears one of the posters got word today that they were successful and are invited to stage 3... And he has a CPL already.

[spoon84]

Yeah, also read in the other forum that it look like they started to send the invitation for stage 3...let's wait still a bit! :ok::ugh:

[newtoitall]

Aer Lingus reports 27.8m euro loss - Yahoo! (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/aer-lingus-reports-27-8m-euro-loss-071903349.html)

[Guerito]

Rumours and poorly-informed guesswork seems to be the order of the day. A look at the thread on boards.ie should tell you all you need to know about how much solid information anyone has.

[Air Brake]

I hear they will give the cadetship to the person who makes the most rumours and/ or pointless posts! I also here that only dwarfs will be selected as over 30 years the fuel saving is huge!:}

[dannye92]

the person claiming that in the other forums has been proved a fake, a member there works for EI and has confirmed no emails till September, so today at the very earliest, wish they'd hurry up my nerves are gone

[Q10]

Gotta love them people spreading fake information! :)

Well after all this is called Professional Pilots "Rumour" network:cool:

Hoping to hear something soon indeed!

[glanza97]

Anybody hear anything yet...??:)

[Scandinavian123]

Damn this waiting...

[Dipole]

Anybody hear anything yet...??http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

Just a bit of this and that. :zzz:

[Scandinavian123]

Anything yet?

[RSTurbo50]

Not a thing as of yet....

Leaving it a little bit last minute in my eyes especially if phase 3 is within a few weeks time...

[Q10]

Indeed gonna be a hastle to book flight to dublin and fix a hotel if of course, get asked to come! Hope we get some sort of discount when flying with AL:rolleyes:

[tuscarora]

Anyone else just started checking this thread instead of their emails? :E

[Scandinavian123]

Any news? They better send some replies. Because I got to know if I'm invited in time since I gotta drag my ass from Sweden to the shamrock :s

[Scott Duch]

Got my email for phase 3 two minutes ago.

[glanza97]

nice one scott best of luck:ok: when is your date for phase 3??

[mcdonnst]

Yup me too, wonder how many will be through to this stage

[LadyB]

So did anybody not get through to the next stage? Doesnt seem like they chopped the numbers down too much judging by the amount of successful board members (here and boards.ie).

[Air Brake]

I will also be joining you guys!

[spoon84]

me too.... see there! :D

[pablissimo]

Ditto. 4/10/11 for me!

[irish laddie]

So is that it for the invites to the next round?? No e-mail either way yet so I fear the worst:confused:

Congrats to all the guys and gals through to the next round!:ok:

[AzBsCn]

me tooooo yippiiiiiiie :D

[WILCO.XMG]

Congrats guys and gals :O

Hopefully some of you will be flying me around the globe some day.

P.S. Is there still any word on what contribution Aer Lingus will be making towards your training. Nobody seems to know that important question.

[TheAviatorGreece]

To the next stage too!!!

[Babar350]

Do you know how long will last the tests ? Got a flight on the morning and a the flight back around 18:00 pm ...

[TIGER19919]

any1 who did not get in?

cos i got in too, the ratio seems to be quite large

[Guerito]

Details are emailed to you after you select a time and date. It says it lasts around 4 hours.

[DaveS3Turbo]

I've not receieved an email yet. I thought I did quite well too.

David

[stella di mare]

i agree. TIGER19919, Do you have to come all the way from Singapore for 4 hours in Dublin..

[Babar350]

Hope it won't last more than 4 hours notified in the email, got a plane at 6pm ...

[TIGER19919]

I'll skip it , have got national sevice to do.

[stella di mare]

I´ll practice my Irish in the mean time.
Is fearr Gaeilge briste, na Bearla cliste

[dannye92]

In that case TIGER thanks for wasting a spot :/

[BerksFlyer]

Tiger said in a previous post he doesn't have the right to live/work in the EU anyway. Fair play for giving it a shot and succeeding, but quite who is looking through these applications if something like that is being missed?

[flylogan]

Hi Guys and Gals,

Congratulations! Best of luck at the next stage.

I have been considering a career change for the last 2 years and saving like mad since! My father in law started life as an aer lingus cadet back in the day. One question i cant seem to find the answer to is what was the educational requirements for applicants? I can find the BA requirements for their current scheme but it would be interesting to know what aer lingus were asking for. Just in case they open it again in the next few years!

Thanks and best of luck!

[RSTurbo50]

Out of interest,

Has anyone had any rejection emails?

[RSTurbo50]

So if people havent heard anything back yet, it doesnt mean they wont be invited if further emails are to be sent on Monday?

[TIGER19919]

Stated in the email was if i did not finish the registration on time , my place would be offered to a replacement candidate.

[Auz Boi]

Hey Everyone!

Anyone been for the Stage 2 Assessment in Dublin yet?

If so, What can we expect...(im aware we do prob solving, group tasks, etc) but any more details would be great!

Best of luck everyone! :)

[Guerito]

I think they only started today, so it'll be a while yet before anyone has any info on them.

[pablissimo]

Sure I'll PM'd you details of the tests I faced so you can have a better chance. :rolleyes:

Seriously I appreciate your enthusiasm, but try a better line of research.

[Ryan J]

Thanks Roger,

Jeans and T shirt at the ready. How many candidates were at the assesment centre and were the same eight tests used?

Also, was there any mention of how they are selecting for the next stage, is it based on the tests alone or any other circumstances. Have they mentioned what costs are involved for the student.

Finally, have they said when you will hear if you have been succesfull?

Thanks

[Q10]

I can't think of any reason why you wouldn't wear a suit to the assessments to be honest.

[LadyB]

Roger, you cant be serious? :eek: Theres no way most people turned up in jeans and tshirts. Am I missing the sarcasm here? RyanJ if I were you I'd wear a suit.

[rojocrv]

You wear jeans and a t-shirt you may as well not turn up

[Ryan J]

Sorry folks it was me being sarcastic with Roger. He has obviously posted that in the hope that his competitors will believe it and give him a better chance of succeeding.

Any info regarding the numbers at the assesments, partial funding costs would be appreciated.

Thanks :ok:

[LadyB]

Ah rite, im not too good at picking out the sarcasm, good to see you didnt fall for it anyway. But there will be someone in jeans, guaranteed. I cant think of anything worse :O

[pablissimo]

How about turning up as you feel ift, let Aer lingus see you not who you think they should see.

Also surely testing should be left to the individual on the day not for someone to practice over the next while to better others who have already sat the test.

i know what I'll be telling people when I have attended. Sweet Foxtrot Alpha!

[Auz Boi]

Cheers for the sarcastic and generally poor attitude to my question guys. There is one thing I do know, and that is an attitude like that will not get you anywhere near a flight deck.
Pilots currently flying will be well aware of the difficulties and competition faced when trying for a 'first job' and a 'heads up' in any form isn't a bad thing to ask for - I didn't want the answers to the tests - although im fairly confident that a few people on here wouldn't know the answers anyway ;) ... Airlines are looking for testing results as a small part of the process - personality being another huge factor......
And as for the jeans and T-shirts comment, please...Can we show at least a slight bit of maturity, after all, we are applying for a reasonably significant position of trust/responsibility...some of you wouldn't last 5 minutes!!
pprune certainly lives up to it's reputation doesn't it, and well done for fuelling it future captains of the industry :rolleyes: my my, what a scary prospect...

[dbriglee]

Just a quick change of thread direction boys and girls, but seeing as though this has now been merged ....

Going back to the last winter recruitment drive and interviews/sim checks earlier in the year, has anyone heard any news regarding these?

I know of a few who got positions.
I also hear one or two have been advised by letter at the beginning of September, that they are in the holding pool.

Any info on the size? Or who else on here might be in it?

Strange how they were again advertising for typed people in summer, and now organising the cadet scheme.
What do they want?????

[Chaptain]

Very interesting indeed that when it comes to assessing a person's ability to operate a complex machine under challenging conditions clothing should be the number one concern ... just wondering where that leaves my instructor's favourite adage "Always let logic dictate".

"Seats, Belts, Suit & Tie - ADJUSTED, ON, ON" should be on the emergency checklists.

Asking that question about the dress code under the circumstances is perfectly fine, the fact that the latter is of any relevance in an interview or assessment in the 21st century isn't at all.

[tuscarora]

Now that's the current round of assessments finished, I guess we can all un-clam and start discussing what we thought?

My enthusiasm had somewhat waned before attending this session, and now, afterwards I'm really hoping to get one of the 20 places! I thought it was a very interesting day, and not really what I expected at all.

The fact that there was no interview as such (yet) was an interesting move, I bet for those of us lucky to get to the next stage it will be a considerably more detailed assessment of your individual character.

One thing that they came up during the Q&A at the end that I thought was great was the fact they are not cutting any particular number or percentage from this phase - they'll be calling back anyone that they feel has potential.

What about the need to secure that loan eh? I'm gonna be busy over the next while... suit's going to be seeing more use than it has in a long time!

PS Solar power all the way :ok:

[paddyferrari]

Actually, geothermal came through in the end.... But we all know that's not the only, nor the most important, point of the exercise/session.
I believe the assessment day WAS already the first opportunity for AL to assess your character, though the interviews will no doubt include further exploration into all aspects of you that pertain to being a good AL pilot.

As you may have learned from your session, AL's standpoint is that if you cannot secure funds then there's no point in you continuing any further. Interested to hear how all those loan seekers fair out now. Let us know how that goes.

[Scott Duch]

I don't believe geothermal was one of the 5 options to choose from...

[paddyferrari]

And the 5 were?

[Q10]

Go wind power!:ok:

[tuscarora]

I was thinking with the volcano that geothermal would be perfect, perhaps they didn't have that as one of the options because it would too obviously be a hands down winner. Although I do agree that the chosen solution wasn't important, the process of arriving there and the reasoning, individually and in the group, was the part you were being assessed on.

Unless you chose fossil fuels - then you just crazy brains and shouldn't fly the shiny jet.


It's a shame that such a large amount of money is required, although I do feel more secure in the fact Aer Lingus will do all that they can to place you because they have invested money in you.
In the case of the British Airways scheme, the airline has less of an incentive to employ you, because you've paid the entire cost of the training and they haven't outlaid anything. I'm not saying that they would just cast you aside on a whim, just that there is no financial penalty for them in doing so (unless they've acted as a guarantor - which they are willing but not keen to do).

Interestingly though, to fully sponsor the training of 20 cadets (if the figures being bandied about are accurate) it would cost Aer Lingus an extra €1M (20x50,000) which seems to me, not that huge an amount to an airline. Or rather, €1M to an airline is a less significant figure than €50,000 to Joe (or Joanne :p) Public.

Although, given the current economic climate, I'm sure running a cadet scheme at all was a hard sell to the powers that be.

[Scott Duch]

Like mentioned above it's not what you pick but the process that you go through in order to make that decision. From the 5 options that we had on the day, geothermal wasn't one of them and picking one that wasn't on the list wouldn't put you in good stead. This is from my point of view. I don't know how it would appear in the eyes of HR and the training dept.

I'm on the assumption that the 5 options we had were the same as every other day but I could be wrong with this.

In the 30 minutes we had to prepare our discussion I was looking equally at each possibility and each option had it's pros and cons. Oil and Gas for example would make the island less dependant on the middle east ensuring a smooth supply of oil and gas, another revenue stream could be opened up with exporting the resource easing the financial pressure the country currently faced, infrastructure was already in place, it meet current and future demands....

There isn't a right or wrong answer and that includes the fossil fuels. Yes, it may be bad for the environment, but when discussing your reasoning behind choosing it, you will see that it addresses many of the other issues the country faces while wind for example may not. However, with wind you don't have the issue of pollution. So every one has it's ups and downs and they just want to see that you have reasoned with all of them before committing to your final choice and back it up with the data extracted from the table.

I guess they look at other things aswell such as eye contact, understanding and answering questions correctly, body language (nervous or open and confident)...when I got asked as question, I had to give 3 advantages and 2 disadvantages (perhaps this tested me to see if under pressure I remembered what I had to do...a little memory game or I'm just looking it too much!) :p

[pablissimo]

For those that hadn't caught on, the test was Foxtrot Alpha to do with your knowledge of geography and I think my group got bogged down in all that.

The test was off the back of the pychometric testing we had completed online.

Decision making skills and showing resilience, remaining calm under pressure, being innovative, influencing others, sticking by your conclusions, calm, passive, etc etc etc. I would imagine there was no wrong answers at all, it was all about you.

Remember the seats in the circle were marked for a reason. They were considering our responses, reactions and interractions. And they should tie in with how you answered the online questionnaire, or you're pants were on fire.

I was actually thinking too, if there was maybe one stooge in the group from EI HR as well, I have seen it elsewhere. Someone maybe to stir the pot.

Anyway good luck all, and lets hope EI HR are having a hard time working through the selection process. :ok:

[Scott Duch]

Through to stage 4 for Aer Lingus! Anyone else?

[Air Brake]

Me too! :ok:

[Q10]

Congratz guys! When did u have your selection day ?

[stella di mare]

Yeah me too, I had mine on October 12th.

[Rotorhead412]

Correct me if i'm wrong... but;

Online - Stage 1
Group Assessment - Stage 3

So surely this is now stage 3, not 4?

Any idea what the numbers have been cut down to for stage 3? (Or 4 if i am corrected..)

[GMW]

I suppose it could be either 3 or 4... I would go for 4 in that the application its self was technically a stage to be included. Not everyone who applied managed to get to the online test stage. That would make it a stage in the process if you ask me.

[q nimbus]

Is there another selection stage after the interviews?

[Scott Duch]

My understanding is that:

Stage 1 = Initial Application
Stage 2 = Online Assessments
Stage 3 = Group Exercises
Stage 4 = Interview/Re-Assessment

At our Q&A session someone asked how many would be getting through to the next stage (interview). The reply was that there was no set quota. If you satisfied the requirements after stage 3, you were through to the stage 4 interview.

Then we were told that there was another interview after that to whittle down the people successful at the stage 4 interview from whatever number it may be down to the final 20 selected for training. We were told first course was to begin at the end of Feb.

[Air Brake]

Rotorhead412
Correct me if i'm wrong... but;

Online - Stage 1
Group Assessment - Stage 3

So surely this is now stage 3, not 4?


Do you really have so little to worry about in life that this is of any importance?

[Rotorhead412]

Apologies for my above typo..

Air brake, yes your right, i sit here in my office dwelling on a daily, sorry, hourly basis on the number of stages in a sponsorship program to become an airline pilot, i knew there was something wrong with my life.

Pprune lives up to its name once again! :D

[paddyferrari]

I'm just posting to fix this weird page 14 thing...

[Scott Duch]

AL now paying 75% of training costs?

[Air Brake]

I have had that email too. Just £21500 contribution. This is the best Cadet scheme in europe!!