Difference between MPL and fATPL??

[redbull7]

hi all,

just wondering if i could get some information on the difference between the MPL and the fATPL???
any information is great!!!

thanks in advance Ryan

[redbull7]

sorry...i forgot the key point .... which one is a better course?

[The500man]

Not sure exactly what's in the MPL but as I understand it, it is a cheaper way of being P2 on a multi-pilot aircraft working for a specific carrier on a specific type, whereas an fATPL allows you to fly whatever you have ratings for and can be unfrozen enabling the holder to act as captain on multi-crew air transport flights.

There are many threads on the MPL if you do a PPRUNE search.

[doogle92]

The Multicrew Pilot Licence is exactly that - it's a licence which allows you to act as part of a multicrew environment. The traditional CPL/IR is a combination of modules which can result in you flying in a multicrew environment.
The MPL course is one that is specifically tailored to a particular airline, for this reason it must be undertaken at one FTO with an airlines involvement ie. The Flybe/OAA MPL currently running.
Unlike the CPL/IR, the MPL is tailored from the start for the airline that the cadet will work for so cadets on the OAA course will be using Flybe SOPs for a large part of their training.
The MPL also involves less single pilot flying - the licence is designed for working in a flight deck so a large proportion of the training is done like that (in a simulator).
Apart from the groundschool which is exactly the same for both licences, the two routes to the flight deck are very different.
While the MPL does provide a more secure route to the RHS (providing the sponser airline is reasonably stable - Flybe vs. Sterling) the CPL/IR is still the route taken by the majority of students.
There have been numerous debates about which licence is better and many people are set in their ways regarding the CPL/IR however I personally feel that the MPL is catching on and may one day be an equally popular route to the flight deck providing that airlines remain keen to support it.

[The Flying Chicken]

Although not a fan of the MPL, I personally see it as a much better option compared to integrated courses.
Doogle92 is very accurate in the description given. One negative I'm not sure of though, what happens to the individual if things go belly up? Are they on their own with a useless licence, or is their training transferable?

[The Flying Chicken]

Which one is the better course? It depends what you want to get out of your flying.

[Groundloop]

Not sure exactly what's in the MPL but as I understand it, it is a cheaper way of being P2

Don't belive the myth that the MPL is cheaper than an f/ATPL. It isn't.

[Bealzebub]

Although not a fan of the MPL, I personally see it as a much better option compared to integrated courses.

It is an integrated course.

[The Flying Chicken]

Yeah, I see my wording error.:oh: I meant it more to the comparison of traditional integrated routes, where candidates end up exactly the same position (and licence) as a modular student, albeit out of pocket.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Yeah, I see my wording error.:oh: I meant it more to the comparison of traditional integrated routes, where candidates end up exactly the same position (and licence) as a modular student, albeit out of pocket.

And able to fly single-pilot operations, gain an instructors qualification and make a living teaching, and use PPL privileges to fly recreationally.

G

[Put1992]

And able to fly single-pilot operations, gain an instructors qualification and make a living teaching, and use PPL privileges to fly recreationally.

G

SEPL rating can be added to the MPL to fly recreationally.

[doogle92]

what happens to the individual if things go belly up? Are they on their own with a useless licence, or is their training transferable?

On the Flybe/OAA course a more developed Skills Protection Plan is in place so that if Flybe goes belly up before the cadets finish training, OAA will recourse them to their APPFO course and they will walk away with a fATPL.
If Flybe goes belly up whilst the cadets are employed before they reach 1500hrs (where it becomes an ATPL) then they can apply for a job like any other airline pilot. There has been some confusion regarding this following the problems that the Sterling cadets had - the Danish authorities cleared up this confusion and I understand they all found jobs.

[Bealzebub]

I meant it more to the comparison of traditional integrated routes, where candidates end up exactly the same position (and licence) as a modular student, albeit out of pocket. Except that many aren't. Those integrated schools with partner airlines, and this naturally includes the MPL training establishments, have candidates transferring into cadet programmes. Certainly that is not the case with all integrated training providers, and some are noticeably more succesful than others. But at this level of the market it is all about finding employment.

Saving money on licence aquisition is cold comfort if cadets are being sourced from continuous, seamless, full time training courses. MPL or integrated fATPL, it might seem unfair, but it is quite understandable why any serious employer prepared to venture into this end of the market utilizes this type of training provider.

The licence might be the same, but the position isn't necessarily.

[matcv88]

Guys i d like to know something about this new Multi Pilot Licence, i found it in other forums but i still didnt get exactly how this is gonna work.
From what i gathered is a licence that they are thinking to issue so the airlines can train guys with 0 flying experience, mostly on the SIM, and bring them straight to be FOs on line with no even the PPL.
Is that correct?
I am sorry if this matter has been discussed before but i couldnt find it anywhere here in Pprune.
Thanks

[The500man]

http://www.pprune.org/professional-pilot-training-includes-ground-studies/440521-difference-between-mpl-fatpl.html

[matcv88]

Thank you for moving my threat.
Just a question that probably is stupid,
I have just started my PPL and my dream is to fly for a major airline, my question about this MPL is do you think that in a couple of years (when i will be hopefully with my CPL/IR done) airlines are going to start to recruit just people with this MPL or maybe they will start to recruit cadets training them for the MPL (charging them god knows how much) so for people with CPL/IR but no hours is going to be even harder getting a job.
Do you think this could happen???Or am i being thick??!!Thanks

[Groundloop]

do you think that in a couple of years (when i will be hopefully with my CPL/IR done) airlines are going to start to recruit just people with this MPL

At the moment this option is not possible.

or maybe they will start to recruit cadets training them for the MPL

This is how it is done but "recruit cadets" may be a bit strong to describe the only UK airline currently involved in ther MPL, namely Flybe. They do pre-select students and give part-sponsorship for the MPL.

You cannot go to an FTO who offers both fATPL and MPL and simply ask to do an MPL course instead of an fATPL. The MPL REQUIRES airline involvement from the start of the course- therefore you must have already been selected by an airline before you can start an MPL.

[zondaracer]

If and when all transport category aircraft go to single pilot ops (hopefully not), what will become of MPL?

Embraer reveals vision for single-pilot airliners (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/06/16/343348/embraer-reveals-vision-for-single-pilot-airliners.html)

[rogerg]

I hear that another LOCO will be recruiting for an MPL course later this year.

[rogerg]

Don't belive the myth that the MPL is cheaper than an f/ATPL. It isn't.

At least you end up with a job.

[BillieBob]

At least you end up with a job.Who told you that? The sponsoring airline has to be involved in the training process and is responsible for the line training but has no responsibility to employ you at the end of the process.

[jez d]

At least you end up with a job. Who told you that? The sponsoring airline has to be involved in the training process and is responsible for the line training but has no responsibility to employ you at the end of the process

Correct BB, but it would be rather wasteful of an airline to invest all that time and effort in training cadets if they didn't employ them on graduation.

So, while they don't 'owe' you a job, it's prob 90 you will be employed, which makes the route rather more secure than taking a punt on a traditional integrated course, hoping that the airlines will be desperate for low hours pilots by the time you graduate.

If I was committed to undertake an integrated training course now, I'd opt for the MPL, especially as those currently running offer re-training to traditional CPL/IR if the airline reneges on their promise of employment.

But, then again, I wouldn't, as I'd go modular. :ok:

[rogerg]

The Airline dont charge them for the MPL, that goes to the training provider. The airlines provide the type rating which is included in the cost.