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5th Jan 2011, 06:32
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Qantas hopes rubbish-burning biofuel plant will fly

Steve Creedy, Aviation writer
From: The Australian (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/)
January 04, 2011 1:36PM
QANTAS is planning to build a biofuel plant in Sydney which will burn rubbish in an effort to power the airline's fleet with greener fuel.

The airline has teamed with US fuel supplier Solena to investigate the construction of the world's second commercial waste biofuel plant in Sydney, a move that could create 1200 jobs according to The Australian.
It is one of two biofuel projects Qantas is assessing as it moves to cut its carbon emissions and meet airline industry guidelines of improving fuel efficiency by 1.5 per cent a year to 2020 - or even a tougher UN target of 2 per cent. It is understood the other project involves using crops to make biofuel in what Qantas hopes could become a sustainable industry.
Airlines, which account for about 2 per cent of global man-made carbon emissions, want to be carbon neutral from 2020 and have set a target to halve 2005 emission levels by 2050. http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2010/12/06/1225966/370865-trav-aus-ta-promo-driver.jpg (http://www.news.com.au/travel/australia)
The Solena joint venture would aim to convert commercial waste to biofuel using the Fischer-Tropsch (F-T) method, a 1920s German process used to produce synthetic jet fuel from coal in South Africa and gas in Qatar.
Unlike synthetic fuels, however, biofuels produced by the F-T process from waste have a lower carbon footprint over their production lifecycle than traditional jet fuel.
A similar plant being built with British Airways in London, due to come on line in 2014, will convert up to 500,000 tonnes of waste a year into 73 million litres of green jet fuel - enough to power 2 per cent of BA's Heathrow fleet.
The plant will use scraps and other household material such as grass and tree cuttings and agricultural and industrial waste as a feedstock for the fuel.
Solena estimates the process offers lifecycle greenhouse gas savings of up to 95 per cent compared with fossil-fuel derived kerosene. It says the annual CO2 savings from the fuel it produces will be the equivalent of taking 48,000 cars off the road. Projected CO2 savings of 550,000 tonnes a year include 250,000 tonnes from a reduction in waste sent to landfills, 86,000 tonnes from 20 megawatts of electricity a year generated from tail gas produced by the F-T process and 72,000 tonnes from a byproduct, naptha.
The plant will emit oxygen plus small quantities of nitrogen, argon, steam and carbon dioxide but will be CO2-neutral. There will be added advantages to the airline because it will be able to use its own waste to produce fuel.
Qantas has had a long-standing interest in biofuels and is a member of the global Sustainable Aviation Fuel Users Group.
Spokeswoman Olivia Wirth said the airline was closely involved with other industry stakeholders in a "road map" study into sustainable aviation fuel development in Australia.
"Under an agreement with Solena Fuels, we have committed to investigate the feasibility of a waste-based aviation fuel production plant in Australia," Ms Wirth said.
"We expect to produce a business case for such a plant within 12 months. While we are still in the early stages of this project, the possibilities are exciting."
Qantas will also be talking to governments about their involvement in its alternative fuel plans.

But they can do more. Bull$hit generates methane! Board meetings could be a potential goldmine!:ok:

another superlame
5th Jan 2011, 08:25
Yeah right.

Well at least it took the headlines away from the 380 for a day or 2.

5th Jan 2011, 08:29
O yeah! Go baby! This project has an artificially frozen ball of water's chance in a carbon dioxide encapsulated hell. But who knows? I've been told that GE has just purchased an enormous number of Chevy Volts and is installing electrical recharge outlets at many locations in the USA. Cost to GE after government climate change incentives? Allegedly 14% of the total. Not a bad deal when the taxpayer bears the cost.

chimbu warrior
5th Jan 2011, 08:46
Sounds like a perfect use for all that methane gas generated at HQ. :D

5th Jan 2011, 09:01
STOP PRESS!!!!! Qantas MAY do something! Allegedly. Anything for press.

standard unit
5th Jan 2011, 09:26
Dodgybrothers is right on the money.


stubby jumbo
5th Jan 2011, 09:52
Rumour has it that Ms Wirth went onto to suggest that the 787 Engineers have been testing ...... running a pipe with a direct feed from the J/C toilet to Engine #1( RR of course !:hmm:)

This woman really makes a lot of sense when she faces the media.

6th Jan 2011, 00:16
Qantas have roof space to collect enough sunlight and rainwater for a good portion of its needs in some locations I am sure.
Not cheap of course but nothing tangible is cheap in sustainability.
Words are however are quite cheap.
Leave the bio fuel to the experts.

teresa green
6th Jan 2011, 10:00
What a wonderful idea. And on a quiet night the LAMES could get a very good brew going, and distill their own grog. I suggest they call it "Avabeer" I sure brighter brains than I could come up with other suggestions. :E

6th Jan 2011, 10:18
Yep, the amount of gas and "compostable" material coming down the tubes at the moment, properly managed, could, at least provide the 2000 ft/ lb of thrust missing.

Talk about a Greek tragedy, rapine, pillage, systemic corruption, lies, subterfuge, deception and perhaps even better, complete share holder backing.

What a lovely way to destroy something that "they" could never build.

I am sure there is someone clever who can define the mindless 'profit center' approach. Perhaps an émigré from a dim and distant inverted philosophy which thrived on dragging down anything their collective, academic arrogance failed to understand.

Spin to win eh.
Roll over Wilmot. (Hudson Fysh. KC. DFC.). When rape is imminent, relax and enjoy it. (Harpo Marx)??.

Not wastin' my time Joyce, shut up, this is serious stuff !!. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/censored.gif

6th Jan 2011, 10:39
What a superb idea from such a proactive organisation.
Just to prove that they are dealy serious about the environment I am sure Alan, Boston Bruce,The Board Gimps and any other executive footstool earning a huge salary and ludicrous bonus will be happy to donate their bonus and 20% of their earnings towards the project for lets say the next 5 years ?

Talk about a Greek tragedy, rapine, pillage, corruption, lies, subterfuge, deception and corruption; even better, with share holder backing. What a lovely way to destroy something that "they" could never build.

Kevin Costner will join QF as an ‘ambassador’ if he reads the above quote – ‘If you build it they will come’.

6th Jan 2011, 11:25
Hep, help, I'm melting.

About says it all.

:D. GDK.