CX done it again....

[propje]

Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd., Hong Kong’s biggest carrier, won a reduction in damages for defamation it must pay a group of pilots fired in 2001 to HK$700,000 ($89,980) each.

The city’s Court of Appeal also overturned a wrongful dismissal judgment, sparing the carrier from having to pay the pilots a month’s salary. Judges Frank Stock, Susan Kwan and Johnson Lam further set aside the lower court’s award of costs to the pilots, and said they should pay some of Cathay’s costs.

The almost decade-long case centers on 18 pilots who were among 49 fired by Cathay on a single day in 2001. The group in November 2009 mainly won damages of HK$3.3 million each after the carrier defamed them in a statement from Chief Executive Officer Tony Tyler, then director of corporate development.

“It’s a significant reduction,” said Cathay’s lawyer Nick Hunsworth. The airline is satisfied with the judgment, he said. The carrier’s shares fell 0.7 percent to HK$21.65 at 12:14 a.m. in Hong Kong trading.

Benedict Chiu, a lawyer for the pilots, declined to comment. The pilots have the option to appeal to Hong Kong’s highest court.

Tyler issued a statement on July 9, 2001, saying the pilots “cannot be relied upon to act in the best interest of the company.” Cathay had lost confidence in the employees, he said.

The court of appeal rejected Cathay’s argument that the statement wasn’t defamatory, agreeing with the lower court that the airline didn’t discharge the burden of showing that it had acted responsibly and fairly in making its statements against the pilots.

The case is Blakeney-Williams Campbell Richard and Others v. Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd. and Another, CACV66 and 268/2009 in the Hong Kong Court of Appeal.

[Flap10]

What a farce!!! What is the point of all that time and money spent in the high court when the court of appeal can so easily overturn judgment time and again. In any other civilised country there would have to be a major oversight in order to overturn previous judgment. Otherwise might as well employ a janitor to sit in the high court.

The battle continues!!!!!

[Mr. Bloggs]

Here to the end, here to the end.:ok:

The HK judicial system is bought by business. The highest bidder wins. The HK judges must be highly proud of themselves but then again, money rules in Hong Kong.:rolleyes:

By saving my beer money, Cathay is financing the 49er's case.:D

[LOTW]

This is why:

YouTube - Hitler is Pissed at Northwest Pilots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMgTcw0yP8k)

[third floor whore]

That's an awesome video.

Yes, the dice are loaded indeed. And it doesn't help when the casino will pay $10 to load the dice, to avoid paying out $5.

And speaking of metaphors, I think this is a good one for us... and the safety in numbers that comes with joining the AOA.

YouTube - Battle at Kruger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM)

[411A]

and the safety in numbers that comes with joining the AOA.

Yes, and what did the AoA actually do when CX recruited after the 49er episode...why they requested an IFALPA ban, and in so doing, soured the relations with the new guys joining, thereby reducing the potential AoA member numbers.
It all was displayed here, at the time.
CX management couldn't have arranged it better.
Many CX flight deck crew are drama queens with few brains, it would appear.
How very sad.:{

[nitpicker330]

411A are you the dumb **** that left CX and joined AA as a MD fo? The same **** that joined EA under a cloud earlier on?

That **** lived in AZ as well. Sad bitter twisted person, bit like you really:

Now please sod off to the boneyard at Mirana and watch your beloved Tristars rot in the sun will ya, your ill timed, badly advised, stupid posts are not needed in this forum.


Adios.

[The Messiah]

Anybody that's not happy in any airline whether it be CX or any other and makes the decision to leave I think good on you, if that's what works for you then good luck but, when they start posting on this forum beating their chest with the whole "look at how strong I am" sort of rubbish it looks like maybe they aren't so happy with their decision after all. Move on with your life and good luck with that but coming back on here with abuse is just making you look foolish. :cool:

[hongkongfooey]

Flaps, I think you meant " in any civilized country ":ok:
( drop " other " )

[411A]

Sorry to disappoint nitpicker330, never operated an MD80, never joined AA or EAL, and never worked for CX...you have your CX knickers in a twist.
Just a casual observer of the absolute nonsense that the CX flight deck crew has been involved with...throwing nuts at the CEO, included.
You lot are the laughing stock of asia, alright.

[BusyB]

411A
Unfortunately we didn't request an IFALPA ban because we would have got it and saved much hassle.

As for "the laughing stock of Asia" I suspect you trump that as the Laughing Stock of the World.

We do have a problem with management but I don't feel you help in any way.

With your reputation for F**c*ed up T/O's I don't think your criticism of CX standards would be accepted by any sane pilot.:ugh:

[411A]

We do have a problem with management ...
Of course you do, the management out-maneuver the crew at every opportunity.
Won't change anytime soon, either.:E

[A. Le Rhone]

411 buddy don't you think its time to settle down now into a more dignified retirement? Yes got it. You don't like the English and you have some sort of chip on your shoulder about Cathay and about unions. Yes all heard many many times before and understood, (even though the CX pilots you attack today in the main are not the ones who offended you all those years ago).

You forever lurk on PPrune waiting for the opportunity to bait and goad and taunt Cathay pilots but don't you think now at your age that's getting a little bit sad?

Rather than sniggering about how easy it is to get a rise out of CX pilots on Prune wouldn't your remaining years on earth be better spent on something more constructive? Tinker with the Cessna's, dream of your new TriStar airline etc but do something constructive and not destructive for a change.

Sorry old fellow but at the moment I suspect you pat yourself on the back for being provocative and clever but to be honest your whole outlook comes across as sad bordering on pathetic.

Enjoy what life has to offer in your twilight years and forget the past, life will be far more worthwhile then. I'm sure you'll have some smug retort but really you'll do yourself a big favor by growing up and entering your golden years with a little dignity.

[nitpicker330]

So you've never worked for CX, what gave you special insight into the daily workings of CX then? Surely you don't believe everything you read here do you:confused:

Man you really do need to retire gracefully. Not the way you're doing it now as a bitter twisted CX wanna be chip on his shoulder Tristar lover:ugh:

[411A]

Surely you don't believe everything you read here do you


All the dirty laundry seems to come into view, here...eventually.;)

[nitpicker330]

If you actually worked for CX now or in the past then you would be able to venture an opinion about the goings on or otherwise inside the Airline.

I'm sorry Tristar man but looking through the fence from the GA apron doesn't give you the first clue about us.

[Yonosoy Marinero]

And while, as usual, we sling monkey poo at each other on here, CX management is laughing all the way to the bank with the 49ers money and a ridiculous salary increase package for the pilots.

I'm starting to think that they really deserve their bonuses...

:uhoh:

[411A]

And while, as usual, we sling monkey poo at each other on here, CX management is laughing all the way to the bank with the 49ers money and a ridiculous salary increase package for the pilots.


Not to mention, record profits.
The AoA doesn't stand a chance.:{

[Old Fella]

Just a small point 411A, it is the AOA (Aircrew Officers Association), not the AoA (angle of attack).

[Johnny Drama]

Don't understand why you guy's bother responding to this geriatric retard?

Does anyone really give a flying f**k what this self proclaimed 'oracle' really thinks about internal CX policy?

Let him get on with managing his virtual airline, practicing his PA's in his 4 bar pajamas at the weekend bingo evening of his Arizona retirement community, simulating V1 cuts and RTO's in his golf buggy.

Over 8000 posts.....seems like even his neighbors can't stand the fkin sight of him!

Get back to TCM mate, nobody gives a s**t what you think :zzz:

[411A]

Just a small point....
I'm well aware, Old Fella, I typed it that way for effect, if you get my drift.
If all the members were Officers, they might get more accomplished.
Still, I wish them success, however I believe the company has them outmaneuvered at every turn.

[The Wraith]

411A,
To have 8388 posts on PPRune you must have an incredibly empty life.:{

[Air Profit]

...he's a sad and pathetic individual, who's bitterness at a hollow career and empty life have left him in the position where his sole pursuit in life is to type inflammatory and ill-informed statements about people working for a foreign airline, of which he really knows very little about. It would be the same as if you or I were vociferously commenting on what was happening internally at Delta. We wouldn't do that, because it would be pointless and ridiculous.

[Cpt. Underpants]

411A

1. If you don't like what he says, or how he says it - or those "smileys" he peppers his posts with...put him on your ignore list. It feels good. Try it.

2. He LIVES to upset people. He's a troll. Time on his hands, perpetual summer (why aren't you outside more, Bob?) a twisted sense of humour, and never tires of the nibbles, the occasional bite, a fight or two - and the release. He's a recreational "fisherman". He's NOT hungry, he just enjoys fishing.

3. All the more reason to move ALL our internal issues off this BB and onto the AOA BBS. It won't upset him - he'll just move on to the next forum where the fish DO bite.

4. Don't let him rattle you. That's exactly what he wants. The anonymity of the internet is what he thrives on. Anonymous, no recourse.

It really is easy enough to find out who he is, but why would you want to? Stop by and beat the crap out of him? Come on. He's harmless. Probably got a good story or two, pays for a round of drinks every now and then too.

Here's an idea - why don't we invite him to HKG to give us all a talk on TriStar operations in Asia in the 80's and 90's. Get him really ratfaced, hear what REALLY happens in the gulf, put a face to the man. We'll probably have a good laugh or two, maybe even learn something. What do you say?

[MrClaus]

Personally I think we should realise the limitations of the HK legal system and fight the battles we know we can win. That is, outside of Hong Kong. The on-shoring process has now exposed Cathay to both the Australian and Canadian legal systems, where rest assured the public interest is exactly that, not the interests of big business and the taipans. The bypass pay case and the 49ers were well fought by the guys concerned and my hats off to those that had the guts to stand up in court against an organisation like Cathay/Swire. However...a familiar pattern has emerged. We win in a lower court and then during the appeal the case is overturned or damages are reduced significantly. I suggest a better strategy is to fight future battles in Australia and Canada first before we try to win in Hong Kong. :ok:

[Air Profit]

Another strategy would be to start highly publicizing the lack of proper legal protections in HK, and the suspicious actions of the High Court. A concerted public relations campaign in the foreign press would put intolerable pressure on the HK Govt, and maybe in the future they wouldn't be so quick to victimize the AOA the next time we are appealing for an honest application of the law.

[third floor whore]

And whatever happened to the perjury charges against everybody's favorite swire prince?
Just swept under the carpet in some dodgy backroom deal between the company and the SAR.

[FlexibleResponse]

But, is it still perjury if you only lie under oath to expressly help and protect big business in Hong Kong?

[19weeler]

It seems perjury is legal in Hong Kong!

The DOJ did not investigate further because there was no evidence that NR or SK were paid or bribed to tell lies in court.

Yes you read this correctly.... Proof of lying in court is not enough to be investigated for perjury in HKG.
You need evidence that someone else made you lie!!!

Lets all remember one thing:

The last time CX NEGOTIATED with the AoA was in 1999 when there was 50 jets parked on the ground at CLK!!!

[BusyB]

Bonuses don't count as payment!!!???:confused:

[Yonosoy Marinero]

It seems perjury is legal in Hong Kong!


Everything is legal in HK if your name is Cathay Pacific...