Jet Airways Looking for type rated FO 737 & ATR

[cyrilroy21]

First Officers - B-737 / ATR

Location - Across the network

You should be type-rated on B737 NG or ATR-42/72 respectively.

You should be an Indian national possessing a current DGCA CPL/ATPL with FRTO, RTR (A) with an incident / accident free flying record and a class I medical.

Interested candidates may apply with a detailed resume at [email protected]

Here's the Link
Careers (http://www.jetairways.com/EN/IN/Careers/Careers.aspx)

[cyrilroy21]

Does this mean that they wont be conducting recruitments for trainee non typed F/O's in the future ?

:sad:

[superdunkaroos]

@cyrilroy21

don't think that is going to happen for a while

with the flood of guys paying for their own type rating, jet and other airlines will be taking advantage of this

[Maverick2167]

I think this ADD was already there, even during the Recruitment Jet conducted a few months back.Had a friend who applied for it. :)

[aviator_boeing747]

anyone looking for a B-737 NG TR? PM me pls.

[vserian]

They are very much aware that there are a lot of pilots with type rating and doing the type ratings. Yes of course they will take advantage out of this. A big set back to the ones with just the Basic CPL. I personally know about 6 boys who left the country last month to do their 737NG type ratings overseas.

[PT6A]

Having the type makes no odds.... Having the type and a suitable amount of time on that type does....

They have to give you an operators conversion course anyway.... It's the experience they want..... And that is something you can't get overnight

PT6A

[dgtl887]

^You really have no clue about this induction process, do you ? Jet is hiring rated people with 0 experience. I mean, don't take my word for it. Go to the jet website and see for yourself.

[PT6A]

I think your the one with no clue.

Do you know what an operators conversion course is? The cost? The cost of remedial training?

In short a guy with 0 hours on type that has not come through your own program is a financial risk.

So if Jet Airways can get crew with 500+ on type (which they can) then that is what they will do..... The airline is not there to give unemployed pilots a job.. It is there to make money!

Part of making money in an airline is creating and maintaing an acceptable level of safety - so why take a guy with a rating a background you don't know anything about.. Over a guy who has proven himself in airline operations?

If you can't get those guys or want to spread the experience levels in the company it is then best to have a cadet program.. Where people go from 0 to FO.

Much like LH and BA... Just have to make sure it is run like those programs and not open to corruption like everything else in India.

But what would I know? I only conduct selections!

PT6A

[kunaal]

@PT6A

What you're saying makes complete sense. But just so I'm clear, A 737 rating isn't going to be much of an added advantage as per airline hiring policies?
I understand they've put up hiring protocols to the overspent "rated" people. But haven't they done it for a reason?

Since, like you say, you make selections.. I'd love to hear your insider opinion on this.
Thanks

[PT6A]

Yes they are looking for rated pilots... But they are really looking for guys with 500 on type.

I actually think a bare rating puts you at a disadvantage...

If a charter job pops up they won't touch you because they know you will jump ship to your A320 etc as soon as you can.

Airlines that might wish to take advantage of the situation and offer a package with a job at the end won't touch you because your already rated (so they don't get their money!)

I wish people would not think because they have a type rating they are qualified on the aircraft... They are NOT the airline has lots of work to do with base and line training... + company indoctrination etc.

When all is said and done it's splitting hairs if you save or cost them money over a guy with no type rating.

Another point... If you have the type rating your sim assessment is going to be LOTS harder, you have never flown the aircraft and not flown the sim for months... But I am there to check your up to JAA standards... If you don't have the type your there to show basic flying and CRM.

PT6A

[kunaal]

True!

A rating at the end of the day might percolate to be a disadvantage. It's more or less limiting the options. But the stats aren't really showing anything positive when it comes to freshers. Nonetheless, would next year have any recruitment at all?

[dgtl887]

Do you know what an operators conversion course is? The cost? The cost of remedial training?

In short a guy with 0 hours on type that has not come through your own program is a financial risk.

So if Jet Airways can get crew with 500+ on type (which they can) then that is what they will do..... The airline is not there to give unemployed pilots a job.. It is there to make money!

I don't see the relevance of this portion of your reply. Completely out of context. You had said, and I quote : " Having the type makes no odds.... Having the type and a suitable amount of time on that type does.... " to this thread which is to inform us that Jet is hiring rated people.
If Jet has one vacancy with two people applying, one with 500 hrs and one guy with no exp, then the choice is obvious. But that's not the case. There have been plenty of vacancies (at least in the last couple of months or so).

And perhaps more importantly - forget all conjecture... they have taken people in the last couple of months with a 737 rating.

Yes they are looking for rated pilots... But they are really looking for guys with 500 on type.
Wrong.

Look, buddy, I'm not sure where you conduct selections or for which airline. But what information you have given about this particular Jet induction is completely incorrect.

[PT6A]

Ok "buddy" I guess I don't know what I am talking about and the airlines are fighting who is going to employee the 4000 CPL wonders first....

If you want to live in a land of make believe then go ahead... It won't get you a job and if you take your current attitude into a job then your going to have some serious problems...

Like I say a type rating does not mean your qualified on the aircraft type for line operations... Lots of guys are about with time on type.. Especially now that new CAR allows for expat FO's again.... The adds are already out there for Jet Airways for 737 and ATR expat FO and Captain.

PT6A

[Touch'n'oops]

I think the main point is that pilots should stop painting themselves into a corner by getting a type rating. I agree, that pilots can pay for their CPL/fATPL, in the same way Doctors first qualify. It is when you are ask to specialise that I would expect an airline to pay.

Personally I hope to be in a position one day that has the responsibilities of selecting new pilots and I would give an unfavourable view to pilot with a TR with no hours.
I did have the financial means to pay for a type rating and to add 500 hours, but was sickened by the practise. As I knew competition was stiff I upped my game. First I waited, working as a baggage handler and dispatcher, till the market was on the up. This took two years, then went to flight school timed to graduate as the market was back in full swing. Then I with my fresh license I went to visit personally every airline that was in a position to hire fresh meat. Every time bar-one I got an informal chat with someone, and most of the time it was Deputy Chief Pilot or even the big guy himself.
It was 6 months of marching from office to office. It got me the chance to fly PA34s from one chat where I didn't have the experience, but as I was obviously keen he knew someone who could help. Finally met a CEO and we got on great, the next day I was on a B737 type rating course.

Remember anyone can write an awesome CV, so get out there and show your face, even if it is for just 2 minutes. AND STOP PAYING FOR TYPE RATINGS, you are actually f'ing yourself and everyone else in the end!!! Some of you are like financial cannon fodder, one goes bankrupt and another starry eyed contestant steps up!

Now get out there and hunt that job! :ok:

[strella]

The reality is that Jet Airways, has actually taken type endorsed FOs with no flying exp. on type. Quite a few of these candidates are children of senior Captains in the company. Most of these chaps had failed the recently conducted written exam held a few months back. As of yesterday more such candidates were being screened.

From the Airline point of few, this is a win win situation. They get type endorsed FOs who are ready to start flying within a short span of time, and they don't have to spend any money/resources on training such pilots.

[PT6A]

Even if someone has a type rating they still have to go to sim and school unless that type was done within the airlines TRTO. So it does not save that much time or money....

They still have to then do base and line training.... This takes lots of time.

PT6A

[Speedbird1014]

I think the main point is that pilots should stop painting themselves into a corner by getting a type rating. I agree, that pilots can pay for their CPL/fATPL, in the same way Doctors first qualify. It is when you are ask to specialise that I would expect an airline to pay.

Personally I hope to be in a position one day that has the responsibilities of selecting new pilots and I would give an unfavourable view to pilot with a TR with no hours.
I did have the financial means to pay for a type rating and to add 500 hours, but was sickened by the practise. As I knew competition was stiff I upped my game. First I waited, working as a baggage handler and dispatcher, till the market was on the up. This took two years, then went to flight school timed to graduate as the market was back in full swing. Then I with my fresh license I went to visit personally every airline that was in a position to hire fresh meat. Every time bar-one I got an informal chat with someone, and most of the time it was Deputy Chief Pilot or even the big guy himself.
It was 6 months of marching from office to office. It got me the chance to fly PA34s from one chat where I didn't have the experience, but as I was obviously keen he knew someone who could help. Finally met a CEO and we got on great, the next day I was on a B737 type rating course.

Remember anyone can write an awesome CV, so get out there and show your face, even if it is for just 2 minutes. AND STOP PAYING FOR TYPE RATINGS, you are actually f'ing yourself and everyone else in the end!!! Some of you are like financial cannon fodder, one goes bankrupt and another starry eyed contestant steps up!

Now get out there and hunt that job!

:D:D:D:D:ok::ok::ok::ok:

[V1V2 Rotate]

SpeedBird thats a BA call sign, goodone though,I do agree with you, Take my example, I have 1000hrs on Turbine and 1200hrs on Multi,still cant get job in India,I refuse to do type and stand in the line for the job. 250hrs with tyoe and flying its a joke, simple word playing with folks life. I understand airlines trying to cut corners but on what expenses. Just Imagine guy with 250hrs and type flying and something happen to Capt, who the hell going to fly that bird????????

[PT6A]

Guys with 200 hours at an airline are not dangerous if they have been selected and trained correctly.

Unfortunately India does not have a system in place to train or licence pilots that is acceptable.

So putting someone in the flight deck with 200 hours (which they may not actually have) with a type rating that was conducted outside of the airlines control is not a very smart idea.

Lots of people complain about low hour guys in Europe, however that said you can't compare India to Europe.

The airlines have a hard time in India because there is no quality control when it comes to the pilot supply.

Without the DGCA being shut down and a new authority formed.. The only answer for an airline and their insurance company is to hire people with a proven track record. This comes down to guys with time on type in a reputable company.

PT6A

[cyrilroy21]

Even when you get in Jet as a trainee F/O you still have to pay Jet 15 lakhs for the type rating .

So technically whether Jet recruits their F/O as direct entry type rated or as a Non type rated trainee F/O the candidate
still bears the cost of the type rating :sad:

[PT6A]

I don't know the payment terms for local pilots, but do Jet do this as a bond or you pay them?

Either way it is MUCH better for both parties than you getting a TR on your own.

PT6A

[Speedbird1014]

SpeedBird thats a BA call sign, goodone though,I do agree with you, Take my example, I have 1000hrs on Turbine and 1200hrs on Multi,still cant get job in India,I refuse to do type and stand in the line for the job. 250hrs with tyoe and flying its a joke, simple word playing with folks life. I understand airlines trying to cut corners but on what expenses. Just Imagine guy with 250hrs and type flying and something happen to Capt, who the hell going to fly that bird????????

Yes the airlines are cutting corners, but almost every unemployed pilot u find in india has only 250 hrs, there is no general aviation, no regional airlines, only full service and low cost carriers, so only place for anyone in india to get experience is either the airlines or the air force, the air force dosent have this much much pilot which might fulfill the demand of airline (not even close dude), and they themselves are short of pilots....so nowhere to go for these pilots.

Now the authority, these guys are just a bunch of corrupt people, even if they are not corrupt, they are very bad managers, just see where they have put the aviation industry today.... no experienced guys for airlines, shortage of commanders, no place to get experience for newbies.....
yes the industry is growing and the regulator and the government are just unable to cope up.

So the airlines get a chance to cut corners, and what else they can do, they cant hire expats for right seat, they cant get experienced pilots for right seat.

But the situation is even worse, not the airlines are continuously hiring fresh pilots, but they are hiring them purely on the basis of money and nepotism, they dnt even advertise the vacancies, they just give the appointment letter to the kids of the ministers and all, no checking, no exams, no interviews, nothing...... I personally know 1 guy like this, he never appeared for the DGCA exams (paid for it), never appeared for any airline exam or interview, hell there were no vacancies when he got in....

I believe a 250 hrs pilot can be trained and can be very well capable of handling a big jet, even a 747, its not just about the training imparted to him, but also the dedication put in by him, most of the training is abroad, and not in india, yes the DGCA itself is very corrupt anyone can get qualified to fly an aircraft in india without even knowing how the lift is produced (just make sure u have the right kind of money and right kind of contacts).

Its these kind of guys and the system which makes it scary to fly in indian skies, but never underestimate anyone just on the basis of the experience, there are some good guys out there, everyone starts small, and if the unemployed guys in india could have general aviation, i am sure they would love it.

[cyrilroy21]

You have to pay them 7.5 lakhs first and then another 7.5 lakhs a monthe later ( 7.5 lakhs ~= $15,000 )

From what i have heard is that you receive the 7.5 lakhs back after completing 5 years of service with them .

Anyway its better to have a firm job offer and then pay for the type rating . That way you will be trained at approved TRTO's with good training inline with the airline SOP's .

I have heard of candidates go as far as Lithuania in order to obtain a type rating for cheap :eek:

I once had an agent in hyderabad cold call me to do the
type rating in Lithuania :E

[Touch'n'oops]

I wouldn't say that it is possible to train any 250 hour pilot to fly a jet.

A case in point would be the Thomas Cook landing incident a number of years back when an F/O nearly wrote off a A319. He had the best training money could buy, yet looking at his training record it was obvious that he was not cut out for the profession. Countless number of times he had to revisit parts of his training and re-sit exams. The only reason why he wasn't kicked out was because he was paying for it all.

I even worked at an airline who took guys paying for their type rating and line experience. As Safety Copilot I was horrified to see how bad some guys were and once again only there because they paid. Some pilots never lost their Safety Copilot during the 100 hours of line experience bought.

This is all seriously wrong! One day...

[superdunkaroos]

@ Touch'n'oops

Look at the Airforces around the world, guys with 200 hours of flight time are flying birds that fly at the speed of sound
So proper training and good Airman-ship on part of the pilot makes it possible for low time guys to sit on the right side of a jet, unfortunately in India neither exist.

[Speedbird1014]

I wouldn't say that it is possible to train any 250 hour pilot to fly a jet.

A case in point would be the Thomas Cook landing incident a number of years back when an F/O nearly wrote off a A319. He had the best training money could buy, yet looking at his training record it was obvious that he was not cut out for the profession. Countless number of times he had to revisit parts of his training and re-sit exams. The only reason why he wasn't kicked out was because he was paying for it all.

I even worked at an airline who took guys paying for their type rating and line experience. As Safety Copilot I was horrified to see how bad some guys were and once again only there because they paid. Some pilots never lost their Safety Copilot during the 100 hours of line experience bought.

This is all seriously wrong! One day...

Why not, every pilot on this planet was a low time pilot at one stage, and if air forces can do it, it should be well possible for the airlines, passenger jets are more stable.

However, you definitely cannot expect just about any low timer to be good enough or dedicated enough to learn to fly the big jets, the pilot himself should be willing to learn and have good airman ship.

No training can make a good pilot if the guy doesn't have good airman ship or have a bad attitude.

And unfortunately, its very very very rare to see good airman ship being promoted in India, its all about money. I have tons of Indian experienced captain, and i would think twice before flying with them, the problem is not with experience the problem is with system.

As far as jet airways recruiting type rated guys, airlines will do it if they can get it, the demand is increasing good, and currently there are many people who go for self sponsored type rating, Bad thing...:=:=:=:=

[Touch'n'oops]

superdunkaroos & Speedbird1014

I never said a 200 hour pilot couldn't train onto a Jet successfully. I was pointing out that now people pay for the opportunity to fly jets, the ones that would have never passed an airline's selection are now ending up in seats where they do not belong.

Not every pilot has the aptitude to fly a jet with just 200 hours experience. When airlines are spending their own cash on type rating pilots they damn sure test the guy/gal to see if he/she shows signs of being able to step up to jet operations. If this wasn't the case then there wouldn't be a need for a sim to be part of an interview!!!

[PEC]

Has Jet called anyone in the recent past, with an ATR Type Rating, for the First Officer vacancies on their website?