Best Way About Getting ATPL?

[teen_pilot_95]

I am almost reaching leaving school age and I am seriously contemplating applying for Flybe sponsorship next year but the cost is the most pressing issue. I feel I have mis-understood but is it they put £20k towards the £70k and the rest is up to you?

The Pros and the Cons very much weigh up but at 17 where is it possible to find £50k

[captainsuperstorm]

well dont do it. they want screw your life. belive me, many teenagers have nothing now, no job, plenty of debts.

ask the airlines to pay 100%, and you pay back with your salary. if they say no, they want screw you....

[Stallone]

too expensive

even with ATPL, you can hardly get anywhere with hours lower than 1000

no job, full of heavy debts, n your life is screwed at an young age

[Tinstaafl]

It's not an ATPL. An ATPL requires a minimum of 1500 hours, with various mimima within that 1500 hrs. It's a *CPL* + IR + ATPL theory + (probably) an MCC. That's often referred to as a 'Frozen ATPL' as shorthand.

[InstinctsError]

a great desire of being an aviator for a teenager is normal. A word of advice would be to wait for atleast couple of years, meanwhile some sort of job after college course would accumulate some capital for you, ATPL isn't in any form a kiddy game, alot of finances and time is involved leading you towards nothing but a dry spell of jobs ... alot of em down the streets selling herbs so be very careful ...:ouch:


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[Mario86]

Go to the US and get there CPL + MU + IR. Then convert it to frozen ATPL. Easiest and cheapest way.

[flyhighspeed300]

At the end of the day there is lots and lots of Wanble pilots.
some do something about it and others do nothing.

Of course the cost is a big thing. But you should have saving, which you have put away over the years. You cannot say one day I want to be a pilot and then find the money the next day to start your training.

I wish you luck, but you need to find the best route of doing the training to the money you have available to you. If you save too much money you of course do not get the best training, which can/will effect you getting a flying job.

i.e. if you do Inter route at either CTC or Oxford you can spend £80-90K I believe now. These places are the best places to train and they will put you forward for flying jobs.

If you do the Modular route; you can bring down your costs to around £55K - £60K. I did this route, beecause I did not have the money for the inter route, but you have to find the flying pilot yourself, which is very hard. I am still awaiting like 7000 other forzen ATPL pilots

If you cut costs like doing all your training over in America and then chose to convert your Licence to a JAA ATPL with no or little U.K flying experience, why would you think you should be first on the list for a uk flying job?

[New FO]

This isn't rocket science is it. It depends very much on our definition of best!

They are 2 of the 4 UK CAA integrated schools.

There is also an Irish integrated school.

There are also plenty of modular schools.

Why are we obsessed with the best?? As an FO of four years now I have mates from both backgrounds. The airline industry has a weight of those of a certain background but thats kinda obvious. That's not to say the other is inferior.

This whole game depends very much on the individual.

[teen_pilot_95]

Thank you for the advice, I'm trying to convince the bank of mum and dad to give me a loan but the rates are extortionate :ugh:

Again thanks, I will continue with my PPL training just now and see where I stand at the end. Who knows, maybe the grades I get at Higher could get me somewhere?

[go around flaps15]

My advice would be to continue with your PPL. Get a normal job, and enroll on a Distance learning course for the ATPLS with Bristol Ground School. The cost of this is just south of £3000 including exam fees. Distance learning courses can also be done at BCFT in Bournemouth, Cabair and also London Met.

So what you need is : PPL, ATPL exams, 90 hours hoursbuilding considering you will have 10 solo hours already done from your PPL training. Then it's the CPL IR. After that its either an MCC or a flight instructor rating.

The question is how do you achieve this without plunging you or your parents into copious amounts of debt with as you said extortionate interest rates?

You need a couple of things on side from experience.

First is time. You are a young guy/gal and have plenty of time to do this, trust me you REALLY do.

Second is patience, it will take longer than the integrated route but the risks are less and the financial burden is much much less.

Get your PPL done, get a job, do the exams distance learning while still working at your job(it can be done). Then get yourself a couple of weeks off when you have the money SAVED for your hoursbuilding and go and rent the cheapest aircraft in America and do your hoursbuilding. You now have to do the CPL and IR. You can do the CPL in America and come back to the UK to do the IR. I am confident you can get the CPL and IR for 15 to 16k.

You will find that this is a long way off the 50k straight up with huge crippling interest rates.

Just be patient and try to pay for each stage as you go if you can. It will take time but as I said you have plenty of that.

I hope this helps.

[Paul H]

New FO:

You say you're an FO of four years. May I ask your age please?
I'm 29 and just about to start the ATPL theory at BCFT. I've paid my way through Uni for 5 years + PPL (75hrs) + the theory mentioned above + CPL I can cover. I guess I might not have the funds for the ME+IR for about another 18-24 months, putting me at around 31-32 at fATP level. I know alot of professional pilots who keep saying I'm plenty young enough not to worry, but it's hard in such a climate not to be slightly cautious.