Logo'd jets

[ZoedR]

Dear All,

Can anyone point me in the direction of some good UK based operators who use unbranded aircraft i.e. without their own company name by the aircraft door or on tailfin?
We have a VIP client whom we are sourcing a good mid sized jet and a large wide cabin jet for a series of flights
Recommendations and any tips much appreciated!
Zoe

[Perfidious Albion]

You have a PM :ok:

[buzzc152]

Netjets...........

[ZoedR]

Thanks chaps for replies, NetJets isn't an option for this one, Air Charter Scotland we'll check them out.
We may also need a light jet nice CJ2/3 for one of the flights to ferry staff, all further suggestions much appreciated.

Thanks

Zoe

[x933]

Zoe,

It's easier to list the ones that do than don't. Tag, Gama, Bookajet, Hangar8, Twinjet, LEA, Ocean Sky (Hell, they even have a decent handling agent) and pretty much every other UK based jet operator brand their aircraft in some way - be it in small "operated by xxx" letters by the door, safety cards printed on company headed paper or otherwise. Why on earth shouldn't they?

[OutsideCAS]

x933........no reason at all that the companies you mention shouldn't add their logo's to the a/c - it's just not Zoe's desire to use one of the companies that choose to logo and you have to respect the client's wish do you not ? Well, presuming you want her business in this instance.

[cldrvr]

X933 is making a very valid point, most if not all operators have uniforms, safety cards, liability cards, miscellaneous paperwork, serviettes and all kinds of other consumables with company logo from pillows to blankets and cups, let alone an exterior identification.

As a seperate discussion point the operator of the chartered aircraft should be made known to the client, if not by the broker then at least by the operator itself when the client boards, the operator is legally responsible for the flight and not the broker. The whole point of a broker is that it adds value to the client and the broker should not go out of his/her way in trying to hide who the ultimate operator is of the flight.

[mutt]

I would have though that any commercial charter company would want discrete logos as a means of advertising.

Mutt

[No RYR for me]

ZOE if you start playing broker why don't you subscribe to Avinode.com instead of scaring all the pilots on here by asking commercial things.... :p

[Chox Off]

Just ask the logoed operators to remove their brand and replace with blank or your own. Its done all the time. No big deal.

[ZoedR]

Thanks again to the further messages, PM's replied to.
No RY, I don't know what to say to you other than your message was a waste of time and if you're "scared" by postings on here by me then you should by man up a bit and stop being so precious, I fly as well and "playing broker" as you put it when you have absolutely no idea about me, the company or this project shows the level you operate, step up and try the big game for a change.

[Opsbeatch]

Hmmm, I've put my feet up, got a lovely brew on the go and I'll sit on the side and watch this one develop...!

OB ;)

[ZoedR]

Hi OB, there's nothing to develop, I'm not going to waste my time in dialogue that either cannot help with constructive tips or have time to spare to try and pee people off, it shows a poor reflection on attitudes to colleagues in the same industry, in the US there tends to be a greater happy to help mentality and its very rare to encounter this sort of negative unhelpful mentality, its a small world and our industry is all about service, don't understand it when people don't display that.
Thanks to further PM's I have replied to you all.
Best regards

Zoe

[Airporn]

Better check your blood pressure!

[Evanelpus]

Hi OB, there's nothing to develop, I'm not going to waste my time in dialogue that either cannot help with constructive tips or have time to spare to try and pee people off, it shows a poor reflection on attitudes to colleagues in the same industry, in the US there tends to be a greater happy to help mentality and its very rare to encounter this sort of negative unhelpful mentality, its a small world and our industry is all about service, don't understand it when people don't display that.
Thanks to further PM's I have replied to you all.

How can you say that you are not going to waste your time then carry on for another 5 or 6 lines.http://www.pprune.org/forums/images/smilies2/eusa_naughty.gif Credibility gone.

You need to get into the mind set of the people who post here.

Good luck with your search.

[Evanelpus]

My credibility gone too because I don't know how to insert smiles.

Doh!

[ZoedR]

Evan, do me and yourself a favour, grow up.

[JetBroker]

Hi Zoe, hope you're well, looks like the forum has some children in it as usual! Some people have heaps of time on their hands!!
I've emailed you a proposal with recommendations, you can reach me on mbl.
C

[x933]

This thread will probably go down in PpRuNe history :E

Case in point here - Centreline. They carry discrete branding on some of the aircraft and Phil is one of the straightest business people in the world and actively refers clients back to brokers.

If you will only put your passengers on aircraft that carry any branding I think it's a very short sighted view on the market - indeed as unbranded operators are very much in the minority in Europe you are almost putting yourself at a higher risk of loosing your client to another operator / broker by virtue of the fact that they will probably identify another cheaper source.

Perhaps you should consider the operators that have a fleet of aircraft suitable to your clients mission and can offer good customer support and try to forge a good working relationship rather than the somewhat blinkered view you currently have? Good clients will come back to you and tell you if they have been solicited directly, don't underestimate the honesty of a good client.

Interestingly, this view seems to be completely at odds with the bigger players in the market place - I have never heard Air Partner, Ocean Sky, TAG, Bookajet, Chapman Freeborn etc have an issue.

Woe betide you if you ever need to book something with more than 30 seats coming from an airline...

[Phil Brockwell]

There is another point of view, some pax like to have an unbranded aircraft so they can pretend it's their aircraft, however, new brokers are often paranoid about logo's etc, it soon wears off. Unfortunately the lack of branding does not actually guarantee any level of integrity, as you all know there are many aircraft that are completely unbranded, but if the crew pitch your client with a business card.......

If this is not about the pax's ego, then maybe the question Zoe should be asking is which operators are known for their integrity?

Phil

[No RYR for me]

Jesus you remind me off my wife: read the response well.... and if you don't understand a bit of tongue in cheeck grow up!

So: Go to Avinode.com to get access to a list with ALL operators, see the ratings they have, the fleet, photo's of the aircraft etc and go direct to the source: the operators. Best thing: you cut out the broker and hence I have saved you, with my unconstructive response, 2 to 10% :rolleyes:

My god why am I even bothering to respond...:}

[Evanelpus]

Evan, do me and yourself a favour, grow up.

ooohhh, who lit the fuse on your tennalady?

You are going to be well received on this site.

[PPRuNe Towers]

Well we're all hugely enjoying this back at the Towers,

Attitudes criticised, toys flying out of prams but our favourite, I mean favourite, bit of it all is that while our 'sad inept poseurs' thread is in full view again we have at the end of the previous page on this thread two characters giving it Sir Alan Sugar coated bull**** about proposals and call me on my mbl.

What puzzles us though, bearing in mind it's just thick pilots that run this place and not thrusting business types, why are Zoe and the ace broker writing to each other from the same computer connection?

Enquiring minds and all that.........

Rob

[Phil Brockwell]

Ahhhhhh... the old "we know your IP address" counter. One of my favorites.

[G-SPOTs Lost]

OOooooohhhhh......

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[SyllogismCheck]

That made me chuckle! Who said Mods don't have a sense of humour?

Now, I must be really bored to have bothered to look, but there are two other threads in which posts are exchanged between Zoe and hers... sorry, between Zoe and Jet Broker.

One of the exchanges mentions them having problems with the PM system whilst trying to arrange a lunch meeting (which, of course, necessitates the show of them arranging their meeting publicly) and how it's a small world. Sounds like it's more a case of a small room, so why not just arrange lunch across it, I ask?

[Evanelpus]

Sounds like it's more a case of a small room, so why not just arrange lunch across it, I ask?

That would require an element of social intercourse and judging by the lady's short fuse, is probably lacking big time.

Maybe her 'friend' should have told her what we were like on this site.

[No RYR for me]

hahahaha I had a strange feeling about it already... but never expected it was somebody who was confused about his errr her personality... :D:D:D:D:D:D

Seeing double identities now everywhere:Pprune towers is their IP adress maybe associated to "cosimaesy"..... :suspect:

[SyllogismCheck]

Yes, now I look again you're probably right Evanelpus, it is unlikely there are even two people taking turns at the laptop, you see there's a glaring similarity of trait between JB and Zoe's posts, a lack of full stops and an abundance of commas, just like in this paragraph.

Anyway, must dash. I have to attend a late-lunch meeting with myself.

[No RYR for me]

Leaves me with one question: if you have lunch with yourselves who pays? :p

ps it also puts the remark by Zoe its a small world in perspective!

[Phil Brockwell]

Any minute now........

Can't wait for the indignant denials,

Hold on, if Zoe flies, does she need a co-pilot for 2 crew Ops?

[SyllogismCheck]

Thanks, Phil. That's my laptop covered in coffee. :ok:

[INNflight]

Thanks for the helpful reply AircraftOperations- we appreciate it :D

[Dawdler]

This thread has gone remarkably quiet since the revelation in post #23.

[No RYR for me]

AO shows how well some people read a thread :ugh:

[GK430]

Most entertaining 'nonsense' of the whole year ;)