EK to operate Boeing 777-200LRF Sydney direct New York in December

[Bypass ratio]

From Thunderstorms to Snow in 17 hours & 45 minutes......:ok:

[404 Titan]

Horse Sh*t. EK don't have the rights to fly between Australia and the US non stop. If SQ can't get the rights, EK haven't got a snow flakes chance in hell of getting it.

[Going Nowhere]

Any chance this is just a one-off freight flight.

777-200LRF

[FoxtrotAlpha18]

Am calling bull$hit on that one...

The 777F can't even do the Pacific nonstop unless it carries virtually no freight! Has only a 4K mile range with a full load.

[Bypass ratio]

Have a look at the Boeing 777 pairings for December. It's a round the world pattern in 9 days. Dubai - Sydney - New York - Dubai in the freighter. Like I said thunderstorms to snow in 17 hours & 45 minutes...

[crocodile redundee]

I hope they are not fitted with RR Trents, or if they are they have Aux Oil Tanks!!!!! & Floats on the Gears.......

[gate4]

Ek4930 Dxb-syd Eta 0730 23dec 77f
Ek4931 syd-jfk Etd 0800 27dec 77f

[Zeke]

If SQ can't get the rights, EK haven't got a snow flakes chance in hell of getting it.

As far as I am aware under the Australia-Singapore Open Skies agreement any Singapore Carrier has rights to freighter operations across the Pacific. This does not extend to passenger services.

The 777F can't even do the Pacific nonstop unless it carries virtually no freight! Has only a 4K mile range with a full load.

Should be able to take 30t of freight on a SYD-JFK direct, maybe it is something light and bulky/voluminous like a yacht mast.

[Heavy Cargo]

Band equipment :cool:

[Going Boeing]

If what is being discussed in this (http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/432982-emirates-fatigue-faa-caa-casa-etc-you-reading.html) thread is true then it's probably rostered as a 2 pilot operation. :ugh: :)

[Wizofoz]

No GB-

It will be 4 crew and, unlike QF, there will TWO Captains and TWO F/Os.

ALL our pilots are actually qualified to fly the aircraft from Take-off to touch down....

[Zeke]

Band equipment

Berlin Orchestra by any chance ? See a Lufty 744 in PER at the moment with them.

[Capt Fathom]

It will be 4 crew and, unlike QF, there will TWO Captains and TWO F/Os.

ALL our pilots are actually qualified to fly the aircraft from Take-off to touch down....

How many do you need to do a takeoff and landing? :uhoh:

[LeadSled]

Wiz,
What are you on about, all QF Captains (naturally) and F/Os are "so qualified".
Using S/Os ( as QF has done since at least 1958) instead of extra Captains and F/Os for a heavy crew is good economics.
Tootle pip!!

[B772]

FoxtrotAlpha18.

Do you know what you are talking about ?

The B777-200LRF can carry over 100 tonnes
of payload over the range you mentioned.
This is almost a B747-400F payload.

If the EK aircraft are fitted with the optional
fuel tanks as on the passenger versions the
SYD-JFK sector will not be a problem if the
payload is 'light'.

The B777-200LR endurance is over 20 hours
with a 'light' payload if the optional tanks
are fitted.

[FoxtrotAlpha18]

Read what I said again carefully...

Full load = ~4KNM

Light load = Pacific nonstop... :ugh:

[RAD_ALT_ALIVE]

Hey LeadSled,

I wouldn't sound so smug when using '...S/O...Qantas...&...good economics...' in the same sentence. The term oxymoron springs immediately to mind.

"Why?" I hear you all call in unison! Somewhere between $140K and (if rumour is true and if the A380 were still flying...) $180K, I would argue, makes very little economic sense for a relief pilot.

Any EK drivers out there willing to post what the average per-annum remuneration is for an F/O?

It'd make an interesting comparison.

As for the reason that the B772LRF is coming to Aus - I've been sworn to secrecy - but I can give a couple of little clues;
(a) take into account the rest periods required prior to/following a long back-of-the-clock tour of duty, and
(b) consider the arrival and departure dates given by gate4 in his reply, and lastly,
(c) assume that the weight of eight reindeer, one sleigh, lots of presents and one rotund (but pleasantly happy) & bearded elderly chap does not exceed 30000kg.

I can't give any other details away though...;)

[schlong hauler]

Ask the ex Qf guys already in Ek. Why did they leave ? Better pay and much faster promotional prospects. Stop trying to stir and fish for an argument over T&C . I nor any other pilot in Qf needs to justify what we earn. Why didn't you join your national carrier instead of an airline that operates outside the normal parameters of airline protocols and management.?

[StallBoy]

EK would be the worst airline flying internationally out of Australia. Question: How many seats can you fit into a EK 777-300???:eek:

[oz in dxb]

360 seats in a B777-300ER Stallboy.

[oz in dxb]

2 Class??? 49/400 without the new J class seats.
Typical 773 with mini suites is 8/42/310 from memory.

[Wizofoz]

Why didn't you join your national carrier instead of an airline that operates outside the normal parameters of airline protocols and management.?

1) QANTAS is NOT a "National Carrier"- it is a publically (49% foreign) owned company.

2) What exactley do you mean by the second half of that sentence, and who exactley defines "Normal parameters of airline protocols and management"?

[Brian Abraham]

QANTAS is NOT a "National Carrier"

Afraid it is Wiz.

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