Air asia Philippines?

[chairwrecker]

A couple of months ago TF mentioned about setting up Airasia Philippines in Clark. Anybody got any news? Would be interesting since Tiger will soon have one foot in the philippines domestic air travel with Seair starting their A320 ops in Clark soon.

[chairwrecker]

there it is boys! more pilots, engineers needed soon! :cool:

AirAsia to Form Philippine Venture With Cojuangco in First Quarter of 2011

By Cecilia Yap - Dec 7, 2010 7:00 PM GMT+0800
AirAsia Bhd. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=AIRA:MK), Southeast Asia’s biggest budget carrier, plans to form a Philippine unit by the first quarter of next year, Philippine Board of Investments head Cristino Panlilio (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Cristino%20Panlilio&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja) said.
The Philippine venture will be formed with Antonio Cojuangco (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Antonio%20Cojuangco&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja), a former chairman of Philippine Long Distance Telephone Co., and start flying domestic and overseas routes in 2011, Panlilio said by phone today. Cojuangco is President Benigno Aquino (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Benigno%20Aquino&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja)’s cousin and a nephew of San Miguel Corp. Chairman Eduardo Cojuangco (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Eduardo%20Cojuangco&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja).
Sepang, Malaysia-based AirAsia may expand into the Philippines as airlines including Cebu Air Inc. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=CEB:PM) increase their fleets and services to meet rising demand in the archipelago. The government has set a target to double tourism arrivals in six years to help spur economic growth.
Today is a national holiday in Malaysia. An e-mail to AirAsia Chief Executive Officer Tony Fernandes (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Tony%20Fernandes&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja) didn’t immediately receive a reply.
Tiger Airways Holdings Ltd., the budget carrier backed by Singapore Airlines Ltd., on Nov. 23 said it will lease two planes to South East Asian Airlines or SEAir and form a marketing venture to expand into the Philippines.
SEAir flights from Clark, north of Manila, to Singapore will start Dec. 16 and be offered through Tiger Air’s website.

[Sunstar320]

Philippines :bored: Whatever happened to Vietnam..?

[fernandeztv]

Airline Industry and Aviation Safety News from Flightglobal (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/12/16/350998/airasia-launches-new-airline-in-the-philippines.html)
------------------------------------
Excerpt from the article:
"
Malaysia-based low-cost carrier AirAsia will set up a new joint venture carrier in the Philippines, which will begin operations in the third quarter of 2011.
It will hold a 40% stake in the carrier through its wholly-owned subsidiary AirAsia International, says the carrier. Philippine investors Antonio O. Cojuangco Jr, Michael R. Romero and Marianne B. Hontiveros will own the remaining 60%, with each individual holding a 20% stake."...
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This is great news for the region. AA does for sure have a nice product coupled with cheap fares...win-win for the travellers in the Philippines! :ok:Always nice to have a competing product. ...needless to say GREAT employment avenue for the locals!:D

[QAR]

Heard from a insider of Air Asia Philipines package for Captains320:

1.Basic salary : 2 coconuts

2.Sector: 1 Banana per sector

3.Bonus: 365 peanuts/year...performance based..


Really good package..one of the best 320 T&C in the region!!!

[cebuano]

Air Asia's Philippine unit sees maiden flight in 2011 - Yahoo! Philippines News (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/ann/20101217/tph-air-asia-s-philippine-unit-sees-maid-fb8bb4f.html)

[onieangeles]

i dont think air asia will materialize, coz tiger air rocks our world in seair mabuhay goodluck guys you have a long way to go.

[sbg007]

The best Reply I have read in a long time. Ha Ha:).

[cebuano]

we'll see. i heard the package is going to be better than tiger

[yano]

will they be hiring local pilots for F/O position?

[squarecrow]

Not for 2 coconuts and 1 Banana per hr. Maybe you can hire new graduates from the Koh Samui Monkey School to do that.

[onieangeles]

stop dreaming guys, you cant stop tiger airways, its with us in seair

[ILSystem]

Onie tiger airways will be going to a brighter and better future as long as you don't interfere with the company with your own SOP!

[chairwrecker]

my bet is that the tiger/seair partnership will fall apart once airasia philippines sets up shop.

[a345xxx]

This is turning out into another cock fight between the two Tony's hopefully it ends up with pilots getting a better deal in the Philippines! :)

[capt papa bear]

Hi all.
Once Air Asia gets off ground 3Q this year, this will be good for all of us.
Remember this is a 60% owned Filipino company which bought the franchise from Air Asia Malaysia. Thus, its going to be local pilots & cabin crews & mechanics.
No way they will pay coconuts, bananas & peanuts. They wont get the pilots & cabin crews to get off the ground if they do this.
My reliable insider info told me that Air Asia Philippines is more interested into flying the West Coast US (i.e. SFO & LAX) route via Clark using the A340. PAL, watch out!!!
Sea Air/Tiger Air... hmmm...:confused:... not gonna be as big as Air Asia Phils... the Singaporean partners are not as enthusiastic as TF & his partners. Bear in mind that TC is first cousin of Pnoy... my best guess is he'll get the routes (and a lot more) for Air Asia Phils.
Cheers everyone.:ok:
The future is looking bright... I gotta wear shades!!! :cool:

[a345xxx]

If they do go to LAX and SFO it would work out nicely for AK X as it would merge nicely into their network! Not just PAL but a lot of other carriers better watch out.......

[chairwrecker]

AK flying to the US makes a lot of sense but it's not exactly a secret that every airline in the country wants to do that. 5J and Zest both have ambitions to fly transpac once the Philippines gets out of FAA Category 2. AK's edge is that they already have the equipment to do it, while the others will still have to get those big aircraft. :D

my oh my, PAL will definitely die once this happens. their US flights are the only ones keeping them alive. no wonder people chuckle whenever you hear old boy Jimmy B saying PAL isn't against Open Skies lol! :rolleyes:

[ACORD]

Gotta get to FAA CAT 1 first.... And with PNoy's cronies playing politics at CAAP that may take a while.

[arigato]

Does it apply to Air Asia? :confused: Will anyone elaborate further?

Anyway, Air Asia Philippines is a "FORCE" to reckon with considering the "powerful players" behind its establishment.

Does anyone know how much is the total package? Where to apply?

I'm just wondering if it is worth leaving my current outfit right now. :)

[chairwrecker]

my understanding is that pocket open skies will be beneficial only to foreign airlines wanting access to the country. if air asia phils is set up as a local corporation, pocket open skies is irrelevant to the discussion.

[chairwrecker]

no news on recruitment yet?? will they accept non-filipino?

[capt papa bear]

no news on recruitment yet?? will they accept non-filipino? 12th Jan 2011 12:10heard from the grapevine hiring will be Febuary 2011.
Operations starts Sept 2011.
Its a Filipino company, Air Asia Phils will only hire Filipino pilots unless they cant find enough pilots.

Ready your resumes amigos/amigas!

[yano]

where can we send resumes? and any idea on the minimum requirements? :)

[capt. solipsist]

hmmmm... guys, no intention to rain on your (OUR) parade. quite the contrary in fact, as I'm just as excited with this prospect.

however, let us temper our effervescence a bit by some reality check.

before Air Asia (or any airline) can operate hereabouts (thereabouts), they would have to pass through the CAB, w/c is mandated to conduct public hearings re their proposition.

has anyone among you had any experience how these things go?

during these public hearings, everyone and his brother is welcome to attend and OBJECT to the proposed business. hence, expect the existing airlines to make full use of their retainer liars, opps, lawyers, in obstructing said plan.

how long can this get? imagine a public hearing...

lawyer of opposition 1 (LO1): "your honor, how can the proponents claim that there is enough market to sustain such a proposal?"

lawyer of proponent (LP): "your honor, we would like to submit our feasibility studies that show that not only there is a market, but that even with the service we propose to provide, it will still be under-served by 20%"

LO 1: "your honor, we reserve the right to study such evidence and question the same for a later time."

presiding CAB director: "very well, this hearing is adjourned and reset to 2 weeks from now to enable the oppositors ample opportunity to study the submitted exhibit."

LO 1: "your honor, i beg your indulgence, but i have another hearing on that date. 3 weeks from now would be fine."

presiding CAB director: "i, on the other hand, am indisposed on that period. let's make it 4 weeks from now."

LO 2: "your honor, that is not feasible for me."

presiding CAB director: "5 weeks from now then."

LO 3: "I apologize your honor, but i have another hearing on that day."

presiding CAB director: "this hearing is adjourned, and shall resume until further notice to the satisfaction of all parties concerned."

get the drift? it always takes longer than expected, is all.

[chairwrecker]

indeed, tony f chose his pinoy partners well. :E

[arigato]

I agree!!! :ok: Joining is one way to consider to be an "Expat" at home. I just hope that the "package" will fit my requirement. :)

[capt. solipsist]

cessna95, if what you said is true, it's the best news yet for me :D

[bisaya]

we are talking about redeyes, productivity based pay, 25 minute turnarounds, manual loadsheets, no food and only hot water is free type of operation, right? :sad:

[HarmonRabb]

there'll be another foreign player (CX/AHK) coming into Clark, however it will be operating as a cargo operator only. don't know the details yet but rumors has been spreading.
I heard it will take over the void that Fedex has left.

will be submitting to CAB soon for either A300, B737F and a B767 freighters. Has anyone heard about this and where we can apply? My source said that the hiring will be done here in Manila.

[arigato]

Let's just wait for the TC's. ;) I'm sure that it will be a different type of LCC based on their standard in the region which is far more better than Tiger-Zest Air. 5J is totally out of the picture. Air Asia Philippines just need their "QUALIFIED PILOTS". :ok: For us in the LC's, it's just an open option if "the package is right". :)

[jetjockey696]

AFP 12th Feb. 2011


Malaysian budget carrier AirAsia has delayed the scheduled delivery of ten of its aircraft by three years to 2015, in a bid to switch its order to more fuel-efficient planes, the company said.

AirAsia agreed to order 175 Airbus A320 aircraft in 2005, with a delivery schedule running from December 2005 to October 2014, but earlier deliveries have been put back several times due to its overcrowded budget terminal.

"A key commercial reason for the (present) deferral... is to afford the company some flexibility to switch from its current order of the classic A320 to a new generation A320 aircraft which is more fuel efficient when such aircraft come into production in the near future," it said in a filing with the local bourse Friday.

"Despite the deferral, AirAsia will nevertheless be taking delivery of 14 aircraft in 2012," it added.

"This will enable the company to support the growth of its joint ventures in the Philippines as well as Vietnam while continuing to support existing affiliate airlines."

The company also said that the number of planes delivered in 2015 would accordingly increase from 9 to 19 aircraft, with no penalties payable for revising its delivery schedule.

In August the budget airline deferred delivery of seven aircraft by four years to 2015 due to space constraints at its Kuala Lumpur terminal.

In 2009, the Malaysian government vetoed AirAsia's ambitious plan to build its own 460-million-dollar airport far from the Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) in a bid to improve standards and lower operational costs.

However, it is now relying on Malaysia Airports Holdings, which runs KLIA, to build a new budget terminal that is scheduled for completion by March 2012.

AirAsia, which was launched in 2001 with just two planes, is now the region's fourth-biggest carrier with 25 million passengers a year.

AFP

[chairwrecker]

@arigato
TF is even more tightfisted than 5J's LYG so i'm not sure what you mean by AA being a diff kind of LCC...is that supposed to be good for the pilots??

@harmonrabb
at this point it's all noise....would love to be proved wrong though...

[jens40202]

From what I read in the news, around 20 A320 for 5J til 2014 and Air Asia looking at a fleet around 20+ in 5Years, even without consideration for retirements , that would equate to a pilot reqt of around 350-400 for the Phils in the next 5 years?

[a345xxx]

At the least its some job opportunities for us pilots.... just hope they are well paying options.

Talked to some AK boys over the net and the numbers they have shown me that they are getting is very good..... Comparable to Jetstar Asia and Silk Air!

[chairwrecker]

speaking of which jetstar is also making some recent noise that they want to get into the philippines market with their own JV. they're mentioning san miguel as dialogue partner. hmmmm......:confused:

[capt. solipsist]

chairwrecker,

this has been more than 2 years in the making. have you got any updated info on the jetstar thing? i can't find any on the net.

cheers.

[chairwrecker]

@capt solipsist

here it is.

Page not found - Taipei Times (http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2011/02/10/2003495485/)

or


BusinessWorld Online Edition |Jetstar in talks with local conglomerate for hub (http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?title=Jetstar%20in%20talks%20with%20local%20cong lomerate%20for%20hub&id=25798/)


like i said, noise really at this point...

[capt. solipsist]

anyway, to those who are interested, air asia is coming over to manila to conduct interviews on 25-26 Feb. better prepare your resumes. too bad i would already be away then.

good luck guys :ok:

[capt. solipsist]

chairwrecker, thnx for the link. :ok:

[arigato]

@chairwrecker,

This is in response to your post re - "TF is even more tightfisted than 5J's LYG so i'm not sure what you mean by AA being a diff kind of LCC...is that supposed to be good for the pilots?? "

As I stated previously, 5J is totally out of the picture for the reason that its package is way below the standard in the region for quite a long time. The Airline does not have an immediate plan to upgrade its package despite the current ongoings in the Airline industry. This has been their trademark since the beginning of their operations. "A long wait, much more than a longer reaction". This is a disadvantage to the pilots who are beholden to the Airline for whatever reasons and much more to the pilots who do not have any choice than to stay. But not to the pilots who are blessed with discernment.


TF "tightfisted" differs with LYG in terms of strategy. But before we go further, I would like to define first the meaning of "tightfisted" to arrive at a common understanding.

TF - Air Asia (Philippines) - "tightfisted" - minimalist (kuripot)

LYG - Cebu Pacific (5J) - "tightfisted" - cheap (barat)

Being a "tightfisted" is a virtue to a distinct group of businessmen but common to an ordinary farmer. From soil preparation to marketing the product, he completes the business cycle similar to a large corporation. But he is a farmer. He chooses his workers, brief them what he wants and what he intends to do, offer them a fairly generous pay to complete a 2 days job in one day (pakyaw) and etc.... With these, he saves much of the needed resources to the limit (people, time, money, equipment, etc.) to be used for other farm operations. He increases productivity and produces more quality yields. His "ACE" is dealing with "PEOPLE", the "multiplier factor" in farming.

This is my definition of a "tightfisted" and I am a farmer.:)

Do you want to do farming the 5J way? := Very disastrous! You will surely get what you have paid for...


Running an Airline is no difference....and it is always the "PEOPLE".


Again, let's just wait for the TCs and decide accordingly.


I hope I answered your question.

[chairwrecker]

@arigato
quite a long read, but plenty of assumptions im afraid. agree on waiting for TCs though, have a great day!

[arigato]

@chairwrecker,

My "assumptions" for 5J was taken from March 8, 1996 to March 8, 2006 (10 years) based on "chippy". :)

I have not seen any significant change in their TCs since 2006 when the average package in the region for LCCs was US 10.5K. I happened to be in the LC since then.;)

My other assumption is, Air Asia Philippines will offer a better package than Tiger-Sea Air for the simple reason of competition. "Qualified Pilots" are very scarce in the region right now and China is paying as much as US 14K (Captain) minimum to attract rated A320 pilots.

In short, they will hire locally. Where? :confused:

Let's just wait for the TCs and may the best offer win. :ok:

[bisaya]

TO: ALL

Please pass the word.
Type rated, non type rated, direct entry Capt from Turbo prop, direct entry Capt without previous command experience (jet experience required), F/Os with CPL IR 200 hours, all welcome to apply!
____________________________________


-----Original Message-----
Subject: Pilot Recruitment in Philippines

As per our discussion this morning, this is just to recap on the details we talked about.

1. Date : 26th & 27th Feb
2. Time : Meet us between 10am to 4pm
3. Venue : Arts, FVR Park, 26th St. Corner 7th, Avenue Bonifacio Global City, Taguig (map attached)
4. Position : Captain & First Officer

Thank you very much.

Kind regards

[kanin]

Is there a contact for this...

I'd love to come back to the mother country...
pay? bases? QOL? Yes... I understand its a start up company in the phil... any info would be great...

I have a long way to travel... any confirmation of this info would be nice before I head over there.

K

[tian yu]

CPL/IR with 200 hours are welcomed to apply also? Wow!

To bisaya, are foreign nationals welcomed to apply as well, or is this ad applicable for Pinoys only?

Thanks! :ok:

[arigato]

There is a certain "STANDARD" in hiring for a position in the Airline especially for pilots. Anything below the standard will jeopardize flight safety. That's the reason why many "qualified pilots" choose their Airline seriously.

I think Air Asia Philippines is not so desperate to hire "free for all". :)

[arigato]

Could anyone share any information regarding the package?

I am just contemplating if it is worth a try. :)

[Eight Ball]

To all who applied for Air Asia yesterday and today - good luck to you all !!!

There are 3 more airlines coming...... Crystal Thai, Cathay Cargo and Jetstar Asia.

Take your pick.......... nice packages I've heard. Some will be based outside the Philippines...more OFWs coming up. :eek:

[arigato]

I have just received a reliable info that the package is "not worth a try" for people from the Legacy Carriers (LCs) in the region. This is also true to pilots in the LCCs who are getting more than US 10.5K and other benefits and privileges.

It is now safe to conclude that the outfit is planned to cater for local pilots only.

It's all yours guys!!! Grab it!!! :)

GOODLUCK TO EVERYONE!!! :ok:

[chairwrecker]

@eight ball
sent u a pm sir! tnx.

[bisaya]

Air Asia - Philippines
Salary Structure
Captain A320/319
basic salary P 186,290.00
13th mo. pay 15,554.00
productivity 83hrs (tax free?) 178,409.00
sector Allowance (4 legs) 57,320.00
gasoline allowance 21,495.00
meal allowance 13,767.00
______________
gross 472,795.00
tax on basic only 40% 74,516.00
_______________
net P 398,279.00


@P43.5 : 1US$ = US$ 9156.. (today)

@P37.5 : 1 US$= US$10621.. (HSBC 2011 year end projection)

[bisaya]

F/O Salary Structure
Senior F/0, F/O with ATPL, Junior F/O
Basic Salary 100,000.00; 75,000.00; 60,000.00
13th Mo. 8,333.00; 6,250.00; 5,000.00
Prdcvity 83hrs 89,204.00; 65,466.00; 53,523.00
Sector Pay (40 legs) 26.794.00; 11,464.00; 0
Gasoline 21,495.00; 21.495.00; 21,495.00
Meals 13,757.00; 13,757.00; 13,757.00 gross 259,583.00; 193,432.00; 153,775.00
Tax 40% on Basic Pay 40,000.00; 30,000.00; 24,000.00

NET P219,583.00; P163,432.00; P129,775.00

[cessna95]

bisaya,

what is the definition of a junior f/o? what about a senior f/o?

will they consider someone without a type rating on the Airbus?

[captbisdak]

Bai, nice figures you quoted. Seems their offer beats most if not all local A320 packages. How did such figures end in your Inbox? Did you apply with them?

[yano]

senior f/o?
2,500 HRS and above on type

Only applicants with type rating got interviewed.

The rest will have to wait for the next Air Asia recruitment day.

I think there were around 300 applicants (maybe more). With 2 airbus to be operational by August/September, 24 applicants will be selected initially. However, recruitment will continue and will hire more as the need arises.

[james14344]

any idea when do they start hiring for pilots this 3 big company's, and where.....tnks

[MangInasal]

I was just wondering that they said there is a need for A320 Pilots in the Philippines, I tried to send my resume but without any reply. Does anybody Sir's know which one is hiring now? I really would appreciate it if any of you can guide me with this.

Thanks

[9ball]

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc461/airasia_phl/2_AAP.jpg

[A320 stabilizer]

Can anyone post the pay for pilots so we can immediately determine if its worth looking into?
Thanks.:)

[alitaptap]

A320 stabilizer,

Go to page 3 of the same forum, post nos: 53 & 54. Salary for both P1 & P2 has been figured out - 'twas last February of the same year. That was the latest info. so far.

Hope this helps.

[iceman1]

Hi, any news regarding the next Road Show/Interview for aspiring A320 Pilots?

Thanks!

[eagle135]

iceman1

Sorry, there's no forthcoming roadshow/ interview at the moment. They have excess pilots due to the delay of the AOC. In fact, the 2nd aircraft is transferred to Jakarta.

cessna95

Yes, CAAP is requiring PAA to do a proving flight for night ops. I guess they're gonna do it this week.

All type rated pilots (Cuneta, Olfato, Vidayan, Sevilla, Bartolome, etc.) are flying with MAA in KUL now while waiting for the AOC. All non-type rated are currently undergoing training at Air Asia Academy in KUL.

[iceman1]

Thanks for the info eagle135. But would it be possible that PAA will conduct an interview before June? How will we know if there's an upcoming interview? Thanks again!

[chetdc9]

We will post all the information you need. But for now we are just waiting for our AOC after we get this we can proceed with our other plans. Thanks for your interest in PAA.

[kanin]

How's the progress?

[subsonic69]

progress ? maybe none... the admins even deleted the queries regarding the start date...

so i guess somebody is a bit disappointed about it ...:}

[kanin]

Looks like March....


TTG Asia - Leader in Hotel, Airlines, Tourism and Travel Trade News - Clark readies plans for budget terminal, further expansion (http://ttgasia.com/article.php?article_id=3081)

K

[chetdc9]

The Inaugural flight will be on March 28, 2012.

[chetdc9]

Go to the web page Air Asia.com and click on corporate then click on careers, you can apply online.:ok:

[jamestaylor]

Chet - why would anyone want to fly with AA when they can fly for Airphil, Zest, or even Cebu Pac.................................

[power source]

i am interested to apply for First officer position in Air asia Philippines, but i could not find appropriate link.
in airasia website its mentioned that its only for Malaysian pilots.
if anyone has information about application procedure kindly help out.
Thanks

[chetdc9]

And many other airlines, individual preference I guess. To each his own.

[cessna95]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/943734_534958133230735_1985666021_n.jpg

[ONSHORTFINAL]

Looks a very nice post but there is something missing on it, if you get an email inviting you to join the roadshow and then upon arrival from Europe the day before, and then at the roadshow you get a nice news from HR that any expats recruitment is on hold- meaning garbage bin- because they prefer locals, then obviously you understand that is much better to look for jobs elsewhere than in here.

Asia is big, probably in other countries if they invited you to a roadshow they do not change their mind in a question of days, and hopefully at least you get an interview to prove you may suit or not their needs.

[squarecrow]

Maybe you should check if they are recruiting Foreign crew first before wasting your Money on a flight.

[fernandeztv]

@squarecrow....mgmt in zest and air asia phil had no objection to expats attending the roadshow...as a matter of fact i know of one who was personally called and asked to attend the roadshow.

How come invites are being sent to expats if the roadshow was for locals only? Don't see it mentioned anywhere in the advt.

After spending time and money for travel and accommodation in MNL on the day of the roadshow the air asia HR act in the most unprofessional manner stating that the recruitment is only for locals. :rolleyes:

How come things changed overnight?

[squarecrow]

thanks for that update Fernandez. Frankly I am not surprised by what you say about AA HR.