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Unlikely
29th Oct 2010, 09:27
It looks like LAN will leave Aeroasis on the ditch. After acquiring Aires, LAN may not partner with Aeroasis after they complete their certification process. I wonder what Aeroasis will do without financial support from LAN. Do they have enough own financial strength to support the certification process and start operations next year? It’ll be very interesting to see Aeroasis’ next step. They way it’s going it looks very likely they will part ways. I hope the airline can launch operations as planned.
Good luck to all Aeroasis staff.

Article from Flightglobal.com
“Colombia’s AerOasis plans February 2011 launch with or without LAN
By Brendan Sobie
Colombian start-up AerOasis is pressing forward with its plans to launch operations early next year despite decision by potential partner LAN to acquire established Colombian carrier Aires.
AerOasis CEO Nicolas Cortazar says LAN's memorandum of understanding with Aires will have no impact on AerOasis' launch plans, which are "very advanced" with proving flights scheduled to start next week.
Cortazar says LAN continues to provide consulting services to AerOasis in support of the certification process and has subleased AerOasis one of its three IAE V2500-powered Airbus A320s. Cortazar does not rule out a potential commercial partnership with LAN, saying the two companies will decide on this once the new airline is certified but AerOasis is also prepared to launch without LAN as a partner.
Cortazar says LAN "still needs to do due diligence with Aires" and is not expected to make a final decision on the planned acquisition for another two months. Once LAN makes a final decision on Aires, LAN is then expected to decide on whether to partner with AerOasis.
"For now they're supporting us," Cortazar tells ATI and Flightglobal. "For now we're focusing on the certification process. That is the plan and we're sticking with the plan. We will have to see what the next step is."
Before LAN announced on 27 October its intention to buy Aires, LAN executives had said LAN intends to exercise an option it has to acquire AerOasis and have the new airline become a LAN affiliate. But Cortazar points out that the original deal between AerOasis and LAN, as ATI and Flightglobal reported in June, was only for LAN to provide consulting services. The intent was only to consider a further partnership or acquisition once AerOasis was certified.
LAN, which already has a Colombian cargo airline subsidiary, has been looking for several years to break into the Colombian passenger market. Cortazar says LAN's decision to pursue acquiring Aires "reiterates their great interest in Colombia".
Cortazar says AerOasis took delivery of its first two A320s in September and a third A320 earlier this month. He says the first two aircraft were manufactured in 2007 and are being leased from a lessor he cannot disclose due to a confidentiality agreement. These aircraft are already on the Colombian registry with the tail numbers HK-4738 and HK-4740.
He says the A320 which was delivered in October is being subleased from LAN and is still registered in Chile as CC-CQM. According to Flightglobal's ACAS database, this aircraft was also manufactured in 2007 and is owned by LAN.
Cortazar says AerOasis will begin operating its A320s next week on a 30-hour proving programme. Cortazar expects AerOasis to be certified by Colombia's CAA in mid December. The carrier will then start selling flights for a February launch.
Cortazar says AerOasis will initially link its Bogota base with Cali, Cartagena and Medellin - routes now primarily served by Avianca, Copa Colombia and Aires. These are also the three routes AerOasis will be operating proving flights on over the next few weeks.
The carrier already has been assigned traffic rights for 11 other domestic routes. AerOasis plans to later add international services but in Colombia airlines cannot request any international traffic rights until they have begun domestic operations.
AerOasis has not yet decided on a final configuration for its aircraft but Cortazar expects to offer economy and premium economy, following the model used by LAN for its regional services. He says AerOasis will not follow a pure low-cost model and "should be something between" low-cost and legacy.
"We'll be an efficient company with competitive prices - not low cost," Cortazar says.
Colombian regulations require new trunk route carriers to launch with at least three aircraft and have five aircraft within the first six months of operating. "We've already started conversations with lessors for the next two airplanes," Cortazar says, adding the aim is to have the full fleet of five aircraft before the February launch although this not required.
He says the business plan envisions a fleet of 10 A320s within the first two years. AerOasis is currently owned by Colombian investment firm Corso, which is managed by the Cortazar family.”

Unlikely
4th Nov 2010, 15:04
Based on his comments one can say that in effect LAN will not only buy Aires, but also acquire Aeroasis once it has received the green light from Colombian authorities. Now, would it be crazy to think that LAN is using Aeroasis to get Aires at a bargain price or vice versa and then drop either one. Or the Chileans are super nice and indeed plan to do as the CEO says. In that case how does LAN plan to execute the merger of the two. Duplicity and compensations are important hurdles in mergers. As I understand Aeroasis has much higher salaries than Aires. Are the people of Aires in for a huge pay raise or will LAN level everybody under Aires’ pay scale? Although a merger will, at the end, benefit LAN’s interest many people will without a doubt lose their jobs. The question again is, who? The new up to LAN’s standards, but also more expensive staff from Aeroasis or the cheaper and more expensive to fire Aires’ personnel.

Unlikely
30th Nov 2010, 04:31
Aeroasis has stopped hiring until further notice. This also applies to people who had already gone through and passed their assessment. No official word as to how or when the possible merger between Aires and Aeroasis will happen.
Rumor has it that the two airlines will merge at some point during the first half of 2011. The newly formed airline will be divided into LAN and LAN regional, therefore solving the difference in salaries. Aires pilots will be relegated to low pay turboprop operations unless they can demonstrate LANs standards; something hard to foresee due to their poor English level. In the mean time Aeroasis personnel will take over the jet operation. LAN is already negotiating the return of the 737s to the lessors to homogenize its fleet with only A320.

MD83FO
5th Dec 2010, 14:34
i think it would be advantageous for LAN to use aeroasis as a hiring line for pilots for their south american network.

Unlikely
20th Dec 2010, 14:45
The LAN-Aeroasis-Aires soap opera is getting more interesting every day, as new facts are released and the gossip starts to brew. It now looks like LAN has decided to keep all Aires staff in place and sacrifice the higher paid Aeroasis pilots. Aires pilots will undergo a series of test in order to qualify for the jet operation. Those who qualify will be sent to Airbus Miami to complete their initial A320 type rating. LAN has already reserved numerous simulator slots to start immediate training. Those who don’t meet the required criteria will be either fired or relegated to regional operations. The salaries as everybody expected will be kept the same, no pay raise for Aires staff, including pilots. Aeroasis will be shutdown, nevertheless pilots will be offered (some have already been officially notified) a job in LAN Peru. It looks now that the lower paid pilots are going to be the ones keeping their jobs in Colombia, the higher paid will have to chose between the unemployment line and the gorgeous city of Lima.

materazzi
21st Dec 2010, 02:05
LAN Colombia/Aires is hiring pilots for the A320 fleet, who came from the outside, I've met 2 guys who are in training here in Chile, they finished the type rating, and they are doing line training, and they told me there are like 4 more guys doing Type rating here in Chile (FO's). They were hired by Aires/future Lan Colombia.

Unlikely
21st Dec 2010, 05:57
To MD83FO, I think LAN does not care who supplies their pilots as long as those pilots are up to their standards. And let’s not forget that Aeroasis is still a paper company that has been brought to light only because of LAN’s own interest. If I were LAN I would use a more reputable company as a pilot recruitment firm. Even more I believe CAE is already working with LAN on the subject.
Materazzi thanks for that piece of information. Let me ask you something; what do you mean by “who came from the outside”? Do you mean foreigners or new hires?
On another subject Aires is to cancel January flights to New York, Panama and Fort Lauderdale; source La Republica (Colombia). In order to increase on time performance and better serve the domestic market Aires has decided to cancel all flights to the above mentioned destinations starting January 18, 2011. Sorry no translation available.
Aires suspenderá en enero sus vuelos a Nueva York, Panamá y Fort Lauderdale - LAREPUBLICA.COM.CO (http://www.larepublica.com.co/archivos/EMPRESAS/2010-12-21/aires-suspendera-en-enero-sus-vuelos-a-nueva-york-panama-y-fort-lauderdale_117968.php)

ilgatoh
9th Jan 2011, 18:03
Its incredible how this people runs the Buss.... AEROASIS Flight ops mgr former Aces Captain who made the Bengal Tour (INDIA as many other ATR,ACES pilots) return to Colombia to LANCO Cargo and now days he is desperate to get his buddy´s from India Back.... are this the only pilots in available in the Colombian market???

There are many other guys flying in much more professional environments (USA, EUROPE, even MID east) then India Looking to come back to their families in Colombia, Guys who never got the chance to enter the ACES, AVIANCA or AEROREPUBLICA´S "ROSCAS" (connections) guy´s Highly prepared with jet experienced who might speak English (not Just a michigan test in some english academy) but what is happening the same guys playing the same game...what a shame....or the retired
pilot´s from AV were the pension is not enough (poor guys) or worst those who has been fired because of some disciplinary problems they GET the Jobs and even better they get FAILED in the new Type rating course In USA (Like some guys F/MALE in LANCO)company waisting their time and $$$$$$.

Its incredible that They say that the aviation is developing ...developing??? were ??? Not in this country ...Not with the same people.....And for god sake NOT WITH THE SAME WAY OF THINKING.

HOW can it be that LAN a monster of the LatinAmerican Aviation plays this games.....

Unlikely
13th Jan 2011, 10:07
Guessing by your comments I assume that LAN did not hire you and you never got a chance to fly for any of the airlines you mentioned. As I understand LAN is very fair when recruiting pilots. You either meet their criteria or you don’t. You have to be what they are looking for. Therefore their assessment has nothing to do with what sort of friends or old colleagues you may have. I’m sure none of the Bengal tourist have any leverage when it comes to hiring their friends. To their own discomfort they are irrelevant in LAN’s recruitment process. It is the Chileans, specially the psychologists, the ones that have the last word. So if you are upset by the fact that no Colombian airline ever offered you a job, blame the third world mentality of the Colombian pilots that have been running the show for decades. I’m not trying to defend LAN in anyway, but you cannot compare how open and fair they are with the mafia style recruitment that has been going on in Colombia for many years.

ilgatoh
22nd Jan 2011, 09:31
In fact I have passed Various LAN assessments one in Chile in 2006 as F/O and in Peru in 2009 as ready entry Captain.
What I just said that even with chilean part of LAN setting the rules and parameters for their daughter you can see how each of it is managed.

How it comes that there are so many ex Peruvian air-force in LAN-Peru ???maybe the guys on the top are ex FAP.....
Or in LANCO so many Ex Avianca 767 retired..pilots or Aires Full of Ex FAC...
(Colombian Air Force)......

And that in Colombia is the same story just that with the Colombian old stile....Connections, I know most of the assessment and recruitment from LAN-peru or LAN Colombia (AerOasis) is supervised by the mother concern in Santiago but every country recruitment team is gonna let them Know what they have or not.... so I will show you my candidates.....If you know what I mean ..... In the case of AerOasis the ex ACES pilots which lots of them are flying in India (Air Deccan, Kingfisher) are My candidates and you can select them (MY OLD COLLEAGUE and/or Buddy´s).
Back in ACES times getting in that company was so hard that if you were not from a particular region in Colombia (Antioquia,Medellin and surroundings it was very difficult to get in unless you had a major Connection in Management.
This Could be the second part of Aces !!! which by the way was a great company .

All this was a critic to the Colombian recruitment policy, fortunately with the expansion Of AV they needed so many pilot that there were place for ALL even those without connections .:D ones in a life time....

Good luck for all Who wish to apply or return back ......

capt_j
23rd Jan 2011, 19:57
It is the way of the world, everywhere- if you know somebody, you go to the front of the line. The only difference, from country to country, is who it is you have to know.

materazzi
23rd Jan 2011, 21:56
sorry for the late response, by CAME FROM THE OUTSIDE, I meant that they were not working for Aires.

Unlikely
27th Jan 2011, 06:08
Link below

The outcome of the LAN-Aeroasis-Aires saga is still unclear. Aires pilots have already been informed that there will be no salary increments until the airline becomes profitable, which unlikely to happen until the end 2012. In the meantime Aeroasis pilots are going to be scattered all over South America and then brought back to Colombia to assist Aires second half this year.
What is going to happen then? Will Aires (future LAN Colombia) have their own pilots flying with guys from an airline that does not even exist?-Aeroasis is a paper airline for all practical matters- How are Aires pilots going to cope with the fact that pilots working for Aeroasis are getting double their salary, for doing the same job? Aeroasis does not even have a checking counter in El Dorado, yet their pilots make huge amounts compared to the much underpaid Aires’ pilots. 30 something privileged pilots from an inexistent airline will be calling the shots and making “the money” while the pilots of what is still the second airline in Colombia are relegated to being the underpaid second class drivers. Yes LAN rescued Aires from bankruptcy, but it just makes no sense. Why doesn’t LAN level everybody under Aires pay scale? If the objective is to make Aires profitable as soon as possible why pay such price for 30 plus pilots, some of whom have never flown the A320.
If we take into account that LAN will be signing both their pay checks one can anticipate at least a very unpleasant welcome to all 30 plus privileged Aeroasis pilots.
So LAN may have been fair when recruiting their own pilots (Aeroasis), but it’s being very unfair to the ones they did not hire (Aires).


Aires to take A320s and resume expansion by early 2012 (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/01/27/352390/aires-to-take-a320s-and-resume-expansion-by-early-2012.html)