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28th Oct 2010, 21:14
Qantas loses battle for rising passenger numbers
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer From: The Australian October 29, 2010 12:00 QANTAS mainline's share of the growing number of international passengers has slumped 40 per cent over the past decade.

The onslaught of hub and low-cost carriers has caused the decline, new figures show.

The slump comes as overall international passenger numbers flying in and out of Australia have soared from less than 16 million at the start of the decade to a record 25.6 million in 2009-10.

This includes a 9.1 per cent increase on 2008-09 figures as Australian aviation bucked the global financial crisis to post solid passenger growth both internationally and domestically.

The figures from the Bureau of Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Economics show Qantas mainline's share of the international market in 2009-10 was 19.5 per cent -- 15 percentage points down on 1999-2000.

Even the rising footprint of Jetstar, which went from zero market share to 8.1 per cent last financial year, failed to stem a shrinkage for the overall Qantas group.

This was well below the 34.5 per cent share Qantas enjoyed at the start of the decade.

Qantas remained the dominant player in international markets, followed by Singapore Airlines (9.7 per cent), Jetstar (8.1 per cent), Air New Zealand (8 per cent) and Emirates (7.9 per cent).

The share of passenger traffic accounted for by Australian designated airlines slipped from 37.9 per cent in 1999-2000 to 32.8 per cent last year but was up slightly on the 2004-05 result of 32.1 per cent as V Australia and Strategic Airlines joined the fray.

The figures also highlighted the phenomenal growth of low-cost carriers over recent years.

They accounted for 18 per cent of the overall passenger market, up from 13.7 per cent in 2008-09 and 10.9 per cent in 2007-08.

Jetstar accounted for almost 45 per cent of the market followed by Pacific Blue with just under 34 per cent.

Domestically, passenger numbers grew 3 per cent in 2009-10 to 51.76 million after taking off in the second half.

The number of seats rose 1.7 per cent to 66.6 million while load factors increased from 78.6 per cent for the year ending June 2009, to 79.5 per cent last year.

The fastest growing domestic routes were Adelaide-Gold Coast, Cairns-Townsville, Port Macquarie-Sydney and Melbourne-Sydney.

Transport Minister Anthony Albanese said the growth underscored the industry's resilience but also the benefit of government stimulus packages.

28th Oct 2010, 22:38
Just quoting percentages is useless, numbers can be made to say anything.
Annother way to look at it is, at the decade start QF had 34.5% of 16M pax or 5.52M pax. Now the QF group (QF + Jetstar) have 27.6% of 25.6M pax or 7.06M pax. Thats 27.8% growth over the decade, for the QF group.
Looking at QF mainline vs Jetstar, mainline has gone from 5.52M pax to 5.38M pax, a slight reduction and Jetstar has gone from 0 to 2.2M pax. So thats where the growth is for QF. But its not all doom and gloom as per the headline.

29th Oct 2010, 01:29
More sobering reading is the chairmans and ceos address today at the agm.
I'm just glad it's cup time and we can all be like the board, and back a winner.:ugh::ugh:

29th Oct 2010, 05:23
Kuala Lumpur
Apologies for those I've forgotten

29th Oct 2010, 08:15
Mainline still service Christchurch and Auckland,

29th Oct 2010, 10:48
I work for mainline and there no patterns available to me for any port in NZ

29th Oct 2010, 11:26

Fiesta route went thru Acapulco I believe and then onto NYC.

29th Oct 2010, 21:37
The 738 operates daily to Christchurch, twice daily to Auckland and the 330 a daily service as well to Auckland

30th Oct 2010, 00:54
QF management have a Sydney/Domestic centric skillset.They all came from TAA when it took over Qantas.
They have no idea how to run an international operation
.Qantas will eventually be an oxidised bronze plaque on a building somewhere in Mascot.
Q.How do you turn a well run outstanding international airline into a basket case?
A.Put Goof Dixon in charge

30th Oct 2010, 02:10
Interesting postion at yesterdays Annual Management Bonus Meeting where Clifford and later in a presser, AJ, - proclaimed more JQ growth with 787's on international routes including Milan & Greece from first delivery in 2012.

Given the initial 787 deliveries are 787-800's in a generic 'domestic' style config, it poses some interesting questions & definately underscores the SIN based hub model.
(BTW: Pilot rest = two seats in the last row of J with flimsy curtain)

Also what has escaped most was the Board's decree that the 787's are to be fully interoperable between JQ & QF........
........Ka.Boom suspect there will be a few more to added to your list!


30th Oct 2010, 04:02
Just gives me that warm fuzzy feeling. :yuk:

Ken Borough
30th Oct 2010, 07:43
73to91 - I think the Fiesta Route went Sydney/Nadi/Papeete/Acapulco/Mexico City/Nassau/Bermuda/London and vv.

And I think Vienna has been omitted from the list of dropped stations, not to mention Damascus, Delhi, Tehran, and a few other flash places from days of old!.

30th Oct 2010, 11:15
My "Eyewitness" Travel books for Switzerland and Europe still say that QANTAS flies to Zurich, so I guess that they may have done so at some stage - obviously the book is now wrong. I also understand (from one of my spies) that there had been plans to service Paris via Shanghai, by Jet*, but that this was refused by the French on the grounds that CDG Airport was not available to Low Cost Carriers!

30th Oct 2010, 19:52
IIRC the issue with Paris is frequency. QF manager at Paris reckoned he could fill daily 744s but we only had rights for 3 a week and that was never going to make money.

30th Oct 2010, 23:41
Keg, I think there was also the issue that we could have the slots we needed but only if we provided some sort of local feeder service. I can't remember the details but I do remember that being mentioned.

31st Oct 2010, 01:25
QF also operated a Tehran-Tel Aviv sector (and was probably the last airline to do so) back in the days of noisy 707's and pilots fat pay packets:ok:

31st Oct 2010, 03:05
also toronto (via HNL 767)
how many more????

standard unit
31st Oct 2010, 04:10
Lots I suspect......

1st Nov 2010, 21:07
SFO is going to be next on the shrinking footprint list.... watch this space. :*

standard unit
1st Nov 2010, 21:46
Yes, the worst kept secret in Qantas.

The only ones who don't appear to know yet are the SFO ground staff.

It makes me wonder some times why they don't just shut the whole airline down in one foul swoop.

This death by a thousand cuts just does my head in.......

1st Nov 2010, 22:15
The only ones who don't appear to know yet are the SFO ground staff.

Sad but probably true. The poor buggers up there are a lovely bunch. Let's hope they look ater them atleast and find something else for them.

1st Nov 2010, 23:05
SFO was left out of the G'Day Australia Roadshow and that in itself would indicate the end of the road.
Wally whatshisface has never been a fan.Also gives more credence to DFW being a new destination....its a major hub for AA

1st Nov 2010, 23:40
SFO is not lost to QANTAS, just being replaced by another "group" airline. You guessed it J*'s first foray into mainland North America....OAK (Oakland). QANTAS pulls out of SFO due "poor loads", replaced 6 months later by a new J* 787 service with great fanfare. Can't have that pesky QANTAS service getting in the way of J* expansion can we......who do you think this is.......QANTAS???:ugh:

Bad Hat Harry
2nd Nov 2010, 04:42
.....and assorted regional destinations
Most(not all) of the above will be A380 destinations

3rd Nov 2010, 00:01
.....and assorted regional destinations
Most(not all) of the above will be A380 destinations

Of those 7 only 2, LHR and LAX, would be considered certainties. You could probably add SIN/HKG in transit to LHR.

About this time last year I heard a senior Qantas executive/board member suggesting on the ABC's PM program (from memory) that by 2015 the Qantas fleet would consist of 20 A-380's and 6 744's. No mention was made of any other type - in the Qantas fleet.

I hope he was just being a little forgetful.:(

3rd Nov 2010, 01:17
I don't think they were being forgetful for one moment. Probably only truthful for a rare momentary lapse of control.

Now for the upcoming Qantas Long Haul EBA, I would be checking out the Redundancy provisions of my contract if I were you.

Also I would be pushing AIPA to come clean on the robustness of the last on, first off, (ie: seniority) protections that a lot of pilots think makes fleet redundancy too cost prohibitive to Qantas .

I can see another pool of well trained pilots cut loose ,desperately searching for employment ,thereby putting further downward pressures on T&C's as happened after the Ansett collapse.

I believe this will all happen when the 787's finally make an appearance.

Musical chairs to the N'th degree ,it will be.
If you ain't on the 380 you 'aint got a hope, which probably explains why all the "rats" are fleeing to the "Sarah Jessica Parker" in droves.

(think about it, it's fashionable, high maintainence and butt ugly.)

oz in dxb
3rd Nov 2010, 01:44
Maybe it's time to jump a sinking ship?

Gas Bags
3rd Nov 2010, 02:00
"Sarah Jessica Parker"

Nice one BNG