Brisbane All Pilot Meeting - 5 Nov

[SkyScanner]

Details for Friday 5th November, All Pilot Meeting:

1 pm (QLD TIME)

Hamilton Hotel, Brisbane

442 Kingsford Smith Drive,

Queensland, 4007

Phone: 07 3268 7500

Tell eveyone!

[Going Boeing]

Great choice of date, I'm home & will be there. Hope to see the place packed.:D

[ozangel]

The Hamo - haha - thats just dangerous... Best of luck!!

[Mr Pilot 2007]

I expect to be there.

I strongly support the cause.

[Keg]

Don't forget to RSVP if you intend on going. [email protected]

I've tried three times now to get the correct email in. Although it's showing OK here when I edit it, it's displaying as 'invalid hash'. Office at aipa dot org dot au is the address.

[Popgun]

Anyone know whether AIPA will webcast this meeting?

A lot of guys/gals obviously won't be able to attend in person due to distance...it would be great if they could participate by watching a live webcast...

PG

[629bus]

Worth a watch!

Pilot negotiations (http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7289413/?ref=nf)

[simsam]

Hi

Have problems sending email to that address.

Do they want non union members that currently work outside the industry?

I wouldn't mind showing my support and have been planning to return to aviation.

simsam

[Anthill]

"Your years of experience means nothing, because your seniority system ensures that you have no leverage"..

:rolleyes:

[newsensation]

here we go again whiteant is at it again:D

[Popgun]

As I understand it, this is another 'All Pilot Industry Meeting'...all are encouraged to attend....whether AIPA, AFAP, other union-member, non-union member, legacy carrier, low-cost carrier, regional carrier, general aviation or unemployed pilot.

This is about unity and inclusion of ALL.

Lets show the politicians, management, the rest of our industry and the largely ignorant (through no particular fault) general public that we are all on the same page regarding these issues.

Please RSVP to AIPA so they can arrange enough room for us all (and ensure sufficient cold bevvies!)

PG

PS. As has been mentioned by others, please email/text/call all your mates and advise them. A lot of guys stopped reading PPRuNe many years ago and may have no idea that the meeting is on if they are not AIPA members.

[Razor]

Did AIPA send an email out to its members about this? When was this advertised?
If they did I didn't get it and if I didn't then maybe many others didn't either.

[Popgun]

Apparently an internal AIPA memo was sent out to some within AIPA regarding details of the meeting.

If you are an AIPA member I suggest you write (email) to them and strongly recommend they lift their game with regard to publicity of the BNE meeting!

External advertising needs to be done in conjunction with any internal memos if details about the meeting are to reach the ENTIRE aviation community.

AIPA delegates if you are reading this please get on this ASAP!

PG

[Razor]

Had an email reply from AIPA, and the campaign for this meeting is ramping up now. Seems the info here comes from someone in the know and has beaten the main push to the party.
Any advertising is good advertising!

[Popgun]

I couldn't work out how to insert an image or document into this post...so I copied and pasted the text of the AIPA Flyer...

"All Australian Pilots Meeting

What: An all Australian Pilot meeting to develop a response to the career threatening FSO 136/10 and especially the off-shoring of Australian jobs by Jetstar Airways (Qantas Group company).

When: 2pm on Friday, 5 November 2010

Where: Hamilton Hotel, 442 Kingsford Smith Drive, Brisbane QLD.

To assist us in hiring the correct room size, please RSVP by emailing coral dot barker at aipa dot org dot au or calling 03 9938 3898.

All Australian Pilots that are not flying at this time, regardless of AIPA, AFAP or non-union membership are encouraged to attend."

C'mon Guys, lets show management, the pollies, the general public AND EACH OTHER that we are united on these issues. Spread the word, RSVP and get along to this industry-critical gathering in Brissie in a few weeks.

PG

PS. I have the AIPA Flyer...its a PDF document if someone can tell me how I attach it or insert it in a post?

[Popgun]

Don't forget...and tell your mates, whether they are union or non-union, airline, regional, GA or military.

Get along...and make a difference.

Cheers,

PG

[teresa green]

Going with my kids (all pilots) perhaps us old bastards can contribute something.

[myshoutcaptain]

How'd you go today?
;)

[WB Bach]

Just talking to a new Jetstar Cadet. Employed on a 'contract" for $32,300 pa ($NZ42000), less training costs of $NZ60000 over 4 years. And, it gets better! Has been told that he can expect to get "LWOP" to operate here in Oz on the same money. Personally, I reckon, this is a reflection of the total weakness of our unions.

Is there any scope for us to be apathetic now ? I don't think so.

[Popgun]

I (along with many others) wasn't able to attend due work schedule.

Would someone be kind enough to give us all a report on attendance, agenda, media interest and generally how it all went?

Cheers in anticipation.

PG

[Popgun]

Anyone able to comment on the meeting?

PG

[hoss]

I was nearby but I was getting a Brazilian!.....(sticker in my logbook);)

[Higs]

Yeh well ah..... kinda says it all doesn't it.

[Fuel-Off]

A whole lot of chest beating, rhetoric and non-action. A member asked "what are we planning to do about this?" with a typical response of "what do you want us to do about it?".:rolleyes: I was about to walk out at that point. :ugh:

Fuel-Off :ok:

[teresa green]

Did not like the talk of taking industrial action around Xmas. From a 89er that is a no no at this point, in fact any point. There are plenty more ways to kill a cat then stuffing its arS% with icecream, so to speak, taking on extra fuel, calling in sick, you blokes know the drill. Otherwise I thought there was some constructive stuff, but getting a spin doctor is nbr one, (plenty of labor party hacks from the NSW govt are becoming available, plenty of experience there)! You have to get your case out to the public, who after all the hoohaa of last week, at last, Pilots are smelling like roses at the moment. Great time to put forward your case, evil management, etc de da de da etc, but we are here to get you safely to your destination de da de da etc, but the pay for the responsibility da de da etc etc etc. this needs to acted apon.:ok:

[Going Boeing]

To me the best aspect of the meeting was the unity of unions representing airline staff. The speeches by the ALAEA President and the TWU rep left you in no doubt that we have to act together and go through the legal processes step by step so that there is no avenue for airline management to shaft us in the Industrial courts.

For the third meeting in a row, the AFAP failed to send a rep despite being invited to participate.

[Oakape]

You have to get your case out to the public, who after all the hoohaa of last week, at last, Pilots are smelling like roses at the moment. Great time to put forward your case, evil management, etc de da de da etc, but we are here to get you safely to your destination de da de da etc, but the pay for the responsibility da de da etc etc etc. this needs to acted apon.


Exactly, TG.

The problem is that it isn't happening. And every day that goes by the subject and, more importantly, the emotion continues to fade from the public conscientiousness. And another opportunity is lost.:sad:

[Mr. Hat]

$32,300 pa

Wow. Make more working at a servo or something.

Makes me feel warm and fuzzy when I see those 5 minute ads with dumb Australians all laughing happy having a great time with the heart warming music.

Old mate is making less than cabin crew and ground staff. What a joke.

[Popgun]

Spot on TG,

This battle will be won only if we can win the publicity battle.

I'm not sure why AIPA seems so publicity shy or unwilling to engage high powered spin doctors, PR companies and effective lobbyists...

As for AFAP... its extremely disappointing to see them so disengaged.

I will keep on writing to both, imploring them to act publicly with the expert help that can only come from Public Relations professionals.

PG

[Monorail]

I'm not sure why AIPA seems so publicity shy or unwilling to engage high powered spin doctors, PR companies and effective lobbyists.

Perhaps for the same reason that every time and EBA negotiation comes around, QF sends in the heavyweight IR negotiators and we send in pilots. :ugh: