Iberia Express will need 450 pilots

[wind check]

Iberia is about to create a low cost medium haul, starting Feb 2011. They might start to recruit in November this year.
Req. are:

A320 Type rating and 500 hours on type for FOs.
Spanish language ICAO Level 4 is an advantage
Salary as sh*** as in Vueling. Expect 2000 euros take home a month and to work hard.

:)

[Nubboy]

Despite poor T's and C's, no dobt they will be oversubscribed:ugh:

Any news on Captains conditions?

[DirectCF]

Anyone willing to deal with the useless spanish ATC on a daily basis ? :sad:

I hope this low cost branch will manage to compete against Ryanair & easyJet, it can only mean more jobs in the business (what most people here have been waiting for a loooong time).

[Uncle Wiggily]

Req. are:

A320 Type rating and 500 hours on type for FOs.

Awesome! That is fantastic news for Eagle Jet! :E

[Penworth]

How can anyone afford to work for €2000 a month, after spending the best part of €100k on initial training, type rating (and possibly even line training)? :confused:

[Agaricus bisporus]

How can anyone afford to work for €2000 a month

Have you not heard of something called "Pay 2 Fly?"

These guys are going to be living the high life!

[B767PL]

Finally someone hiring. Where do I apply? Finally gonna get out of my desk-job hopefully, and fly a real Airbus instead of pretending on flight sim all days long.

Pay is a bit less then i'm making now, but at least the job is a lot cooler!! Rather fly for less then work my miserable desk job for more. "If you love what you do, you never work a day" Right?

TR will get paid off eventually. "Ladies and Gentleman from the flight deck, welcome aboard Iberia Express flight4309 to Frankfurt" O man, can't wait to say it!!! WOOOOOO WOOOOOOO this train is gettin'a'rollin' who's on board? :ok::ok::ok:

[Big Pistons Forever]

Finally someone hiring. Where do I apply? Finally gonna get out of my desk-job hopefully, and fly a real Airbus instead of pretending on flight sim all days long.

Pay is a bit less then i'm making now, but at least the job is a lot cooler!! Rather fly for less then work my miserable desk job for more. "If you love what you do, you never work a day" Right?

TR will get paid off eventually. "Ladies and Gentleman from the flight deck, welcome aboard Iberia Express flight4309 to Frankfurt" O man, can't wait to say it!!! WOOOOOO WOOOOOOO this train is gettin'a'rollin' who's on board? :ok::ok::ok:

Sigh.........:(

[Mr Good Cat]

Finally someone hiring. Where do I apply? Finally gonna get out of my desk-job hopefully, and fly a real Airbus instead of pretending on flight sim all days long.

Pay is a bit less then i'm making now, but at least the job is a lot cooler!! Rather fly for less then work my miserable desk job for more. "If you love what you do, you never work a day" Right?

TR will get paid off eventually. "Ladies and Gentleman from the flight deck, welcome aboard Iberia Express flight4309 to Frankfurt" O man, can't wait to say it!!! WOOOOOO WOOOOOOO this train is gettin'a'rollin' who's on board?



Hope you don't mind me asking 767PL, but if you currently have a desk job earning not much than 2000 euros how will you manage to get the 500 hours on type required?

Do you have a wealthy family who can support you if you decide buy 500 hours on a pay-to-fly scheme? (serious question not having a dig at you)...

I'm just curious how so many newbies can afford to do this unless they get some help? And is it really possible to buy a whole 500 hours from an airline? Wow!

Best of luck in your application, don't forget to buy a couple of hours in the sim before the interview to give yourself a head-start on the other guys :ok:

[Luke SkyToddler]

99% of my brain says, the guy is a troll. 1% says :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Anyway, yeah, for the right seat they will probably get more 200 hour wet-behind-the-ears applicant CVs than they know what to do with.

Current A320 captains not so common these days though, especially these days when there's so many contracts out east paying north of $US15K / month.

Yes of course life in Spain is better ... but for the money I'd rather just work 3 months in China and take the rest of the year off to go kite surfing in Tarifa :}

[ATP_Al]

fly a real Airbus instead of pretending on flight sim all days long

I thought flying an Airbus was playing flight sim...:O

[Lord Spandex Masher]

Pay is a bit less then i'm making now, but at least the job is a lot cooler!! Rather fly for less then work my miserable desk job for more. "If you love what you do, you never work a day" Right?

Wrong! If people weren't so keen on instant gratification then the companies that exploit your willingness to fly for bugger all would have to pay...more than bugger all.

B767, not directed at you just a general comment.

[Miguel Martins]

450 pilots ?!? :suspect::suspect::suspect::suspect:

[free at last]

I would just pay them to work! And let the state pay it is more then the 2000.00 euros. Don't apply and see how the salary will increase. Take a stand!::)

[Bruce Wayne]

guys, it seems from the nature of the post that 767PL is actually being facetious.

meanwhile, back at the ranch ...

so F/O's will need a TR and 500 hours on type for the kings ransom of 2000 Eur p/m, or equatably 500 Euros a week.

As LST pointed out contract rates are seeing considerably more.

if these guys are basing their business plan and financials on this kind of projection, it wont be long before the whole thing turns into a SNAFU.

time to put the popcorn on?

[B767PL]

haha, relax guys, was just havin a go with some sarcasm.

But you know there will be a line up for the job of personalities like the one I posted.

I don't like those T&Cs more then any of you do. McDonalds probably offers a better package, and they train ya! :ok:

[thunderbird-1]

Yeah!! plenty of jobs available guys, send your application to Iberia express :EIberia Express (http://www.estelacantabra.com/iberia/)
Don't fight for the desert :}

[Jimmy Hoffa Rocks]

Pretty funny wind check.
Where do you get this from ? From Iberia ? Heh

:D

Laughs aside.
They registered the Iberia express name but it is a tool to pressure Iberia pilots.

Sepla Iberia pilots has a clause limiting growth without their consent in Madrid. Dont think it will be so easy for Iberia when they risk a nasty strike from a powerful union.

The reality is there are some tricky negotiations for a collective agreement with Sepla Iberia pilots andand it is very much remains to be seen.

¨ Las negociaciones entre la dirección y los sindicatos se han complicado y están retrasando la decisión final sobre el plan. En principio, Iberia se había fijado finales de julio como fecha límite para renovar los convenios colectivos

[wind check]

ahahaha "powerfull union" :}:ok:

SEPLA:

http://ecodiario.eleconomista.es/imag/_v2/ecodiario/espana/225x250/presidente_sepla.JPG


Many Iberia Routes given to cheap Air Nostrum and cheap Vueling, fed up iberia pilots stuck in their right hand seat for more than 15 years with no clue to upgrade (they will be ****in' happy to get a quick upgrade at Iberia Express), minimum rest between 2 flights (medium and long haul) :ouch:, no recruitment for more than 12 years, last A320 orders given to Vueling, no salary increase, :\, Easyjet and Ryanair in Madrid and increasing their fleet, Ryanair in Barcelona, Sevilla, Malaga, Valencia, Alicante. MOL is keeping the best for the End: MAD-BCN. And that will be over for Iberia and your "powerfull Union" :eek::eek:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1289/4682539669_98192562dc.jpg

[doayon]

G.Morning!
Do not forget that many airlines fell down in the past recent years not only in Spain but in Europe as well.
I could think of 500 Airbus experience pilots or more,and probably many of them,if not all, spanish native speakers.
Only in Spain,from 2006 many airlines such as Air Madrid,Futura,Lte international,Air comet(plus turboprop commuter airlines)..went bankruptcy,not to mention those other airlines that fired many many Airbus type rated pilots like Spanair,Vueling-Clickair,because of fleet reduction...etc,..etc...furthermore, many other pilots not type rated and fired at that time,had to move away to..middle east,asia...and now they air A320/A330 type rated as well.

I´m not saying that there is not enough room for low-hour experience pilots,but it is going to be really hard,however, obviously not impossible.
In my opinion,if Iberia in the end,decides to for the low cost option,and, they know how the market is right now,the best and quick option is to hire experience and rated pilots to be able to fly in less than 2 months.(A)
On the other hand,like many times in the past 15 years,they could arrange a huge mega-exam an get 500 pilots both high and low experience,and train them according to growth needs (B).

Either option A or B the salaries will not be the same again,but I do not think Iberia managers are stupid!!,salaries won´t equal to those in Vueling last level,because otherwise won´t get high experience pilots in a short time.
For instance,let´s say something in the middle of the road, a salary of 3000 €/month from the beginning,probably it would interest many pilots even earning less than their present jobs thousand miles away from home,but a chance to come back with their families and live in their country.

Good luck to all of us!!
P.S:Sorry for language mistakes,not native.

[Southwestnewbie]

Just to give a little insight into life in spain and the cost of living compared to most of europe,

I lived and worked there for 5 years and the take home pay was around 2500 per month, there is a lot to take into account to make that money go far believe me.

RENT.
2 months deposit and 1 months rent, (deposit is never returned) circa 800 per month for rental
BILLS
circa 150 per month elec plus 30-40 gas if installed.
CAR.
300 per month long term hire, or 1500 euro to buy a clapped out banger.
FUEL.
1.20 euro per litre, maybe 100-150 per month.
FOOD.
average 50-100 per week (depending on stomach size and supermarket)


So taking incidentals into account (private healthcare etc..) your monthly outgoings are circa 1800 - 2000 euros to live and work near the major airports (or even in a radius of 40km or so), Please check T&Cs carefully and make sure you do your research into the cost of living in that area, because it isnt all rosy..

[FRying]

Do you realise we're discussing whether or not one can live on the salary this new airline is offering, just like any restaurant maid ???:}:uhoh:

[Southwestnewbie]

Isnt that the point of my post to show the realism of living on that kind of salary in a particular country, My point is simple, look at the monthly wage on offer then evaluate if you can afford to live on that taking into account what i previuosly posted.

We all love flying (hopefully) but you also need to be able to survive on the wages.;)

[Kernow 101]

Think he was a bit 'tongue in cheek' :8

Point being, why should we be in a position where we even have to even "consider" the remotest possibility that income will not cover basic expenditure! :eek::ouch: It should never beeeeeee

[Southwestnewbie]

I agree totally, but as a post says on pg1 you can bet your bottom dollar it will be over subscribed:ugh:

[TOFFAIR]

If your calculation on living costs is right, it is then even cheaper than in Brazil right now, and our salaries not being any better, at least you get the TR paid here...

[CHECHE]

I don't know if IBERIA EXPRESS will be in the market or not within a foresable future. But if finally it will be probably they will get all procedures, training, facilities, etc.. from its big brother. That means everything is in SPANISH. So if anyone wants to wait and apply for it probably you will need to be more that fluent in Spanish, lets say ICAO 6. :8

[Jimmy Hoffa Rocks]

Iberia's new subsidiary Iberia Express has been given the go-ahead by the board of parent International Airlines Group to launch operations next summer.

The new division will operate part of Iberia's short and medium haul network from a base at Madrid Barajas using a fleet of Airbus A320s in a two-class, business/economy configuration. It will serve point-to-point markets as well as providing transfer feed onto Iberia's long-haul network.

"The subsidiary will offer competitive fares from Madrid and is being established to compete effectively in the Spanish domestic and European market," said IAG. "Over time it will look to develop new markets and destinations and strengthen the Madrid hub, creating new jobs for the Spanish economy."

All kinds of rumours about Iberia express

Rumours of Iberia using Vueling pilots leased out to fly Iberia express.



" The subsidiary will launch with an initial fleet of four A320s, growing to 13 aircraft by the end of 2012 - all sourced from Iberia.

"Iberia Express will have lower operating costs than Iberia's loss-making short and medium haul business," said IAG.

This will be achieved by recruiting staff to the airline "at market rates" and having "improved aircraft utilisation", it added. Initially, maintenance and ground handling has been awarded to Iberia.

"The creation of Iberia Express will not change the terms and conditions of existing Iberia employees or Iberia's existing relationships with Vueling and Air Nostrum," said IAG.

[sorvad]

Oh come on now .... Where on earth can anyone hope to find close on 400 airbus type rated chaps on the Market next year in this day and age... Especially if your parent company is someone so insignificant as I.A.G............ Now hang on a minute.... It's alright lads...I got a great idea ....

[Wirbelsturm]

Oh come on now .... Where on earth can anyone hope to find close on 400 airbus type rated chaps on the Market next year in this day and age... Especially if your parent company is someone so insignificant as I.A.G............ Now hang on a minute.... It's alright lads...I got a great idea ....

I agree, it's not as if some 330 odd fully qualified airbus pilots and 29 Airbii (?) operating out of a major airport would just 'pop up' for sale at a convienient time to be shoved out to the Spanish ATC hell hole that is known as Madrid, whilst freeing up valuable Long Haul slots at their original base for their new owner, would it?

:E

[Full Left Rudder]

I imagine they are at least considering that possibility. However, how many of said BMI pilots would want to move to Madrid on a 'market rate' contract......... Time will tell but I can't imagine too many would be jumping at the chance, especially if they think they have a chance of being offered a BA contract. So there could well still be a need for huge recruitment.

[Craggenmore]

Heard a rumour that the new BA hires will operate Iberia Express.

It's what partnerships are all about :ok:

(Don't shoot the messenger:=)

[Wind Shear Ahead]

Uhmmmm.... If IAG finally decides to go ahead and get the Iberia Express show on the road it may find itself needing a whole new Iberia all together... Long Haul included.

Statement from SEPLA...
Sepla will exercise all legal means available to stop the commencement of the Iberia Express project. Should Iberia Express start operations, SEPLA will apply all needed pressure to shut down the operation once started.

[Count von Altibar]

Good old SEPLA. If only BALPA had anything like the cojones they have..!

[Denti]

I would think that Iberia Express is a huge topic on the oneworld union meeting taking place this week, as well as the ongoing QANTAS conflict. Interesting times ahead within that alliance.

[Jimmy Hoffa Rocks]

Iberia pilots to go on strike in December.



Management trying to sway the public against the pilots in the press.

IAG and Iberia management behaving badly.

It is a classic war of the old days of Iberia pilots with decent conditions and Iberia express with pilots as bus drivers with no union and low pay.

They say low pay means more competitive but it also means greater bonuses for the executives that negotiate this.

Good luck to the Iberia pilots.

[Microburst2002]

Things look really bad for them:

IAG is starting this "IBexpress" as a torpedo under the pilot workforce floatline.

Pilots can only strike 5% of the flights (which amounts to a de facto banning of their right to strike). Even if they strike, they will be imposed a referee, which will always be on teh part of the management. As a note, the actual lawyer buffete assessing IB is led by the Referee of the last strike that ended in a "laudo" or command of the referee. Rome pays well to traitors.

Then, with time, the cancer will extend until it eats up the whole classic workforce.

They don't have the balls to do the same to BA pilots.

Why? what is different in the UK????

[CasperFan]

Well..., if they have "tapas" as lightmeal, OK for me, but still missing a few 449 pilots. How can we solve that boss?:ugh: I am so anxious to start flying this New Age AirCatttle.:{

[Microburst2002]

They are selecting pilots already.

Low experience, even the captains. And they are even hiring low houred FOs to start command right away.

All of them well wired, or with the pocket full of money.

[zondaracer]

One question I have is if the 13 aircraft will be sourced from Iberia, what happens to the Iberia crews for those 13 aircraft?

[sudden Winds]

Jimmy Hoffa Rocks,

Great nickname man! Made me laugh!!:D:}
Rgds.

[NikB]

How are they screening pilots already?Do they have a pool of pilots they're picking from, or can you apply through a website?
Thanks

[Microburst2002]

zondaracer:

It is 35 airplanes they want to transfer.

They say that no classic IB workers will be affected.

You can choose to believe them, if you will...


NikB

No screening so far. For the time being everything is silent and "transparent" to the public. No assessment, no sim checks... You are a "good fella" or you are not, that's all.

[Jimmy Hoffa Rocks]

Thanks Sudden wind, a good one too, not everyone gets it, cheers

Iberia Express has not started their selection process which is odd.
Vueling has opened an application portal apparently.
Iberia Express has been a negotiating ploy to get a deal with Iberia pilots.

Yes microburst minimum services will be applied but look at Iberia´s punctuality. There are many crews and will be many that taxi at 5 knots no more. They can really cause delays in Barajas and will do so. If a pilot has a deferred item he does not have to accept it. They will perform the strictest compliance of the operations manual.

Iberia and IAG management needs to find a better solution as it will cost their shareholders, they shall see at Christmas time.

The Iberia pilots are very pissed off and consider anyone who goes to Iberia Express ( if it starts and there is no agreement ) to be scab labour.

If they offer poor conditions and you go there you are contributing to poorer conditions for everybody. Yeah a job is a job but where it will end pilots paying for their type rating and accepting poor pay helps the devalue the profession.

I heard a rumour from a source close that the SEPLA Vueling and Iberia pilots are going to be meeting.

What some people do not understand is why not use Vueling and or Vueling pilots to run Iberia express ? According to the Iberia annex Vueling cannot operate Iberia express,

A option The Iberia and Vueling pilot SEPLA representatives could sit down and strike a deal, whereby the Sepla Iberia pilots negotiate a deal with Iberia management whereby Vueling ( future Iberia ) pilots could enter in Iberia Express and Iberia seniority list. The Sepla Iberia pilots could use the Vueling collective agreement as a base to improve on. A number of Iberia FO´s could come to Iberia Express as direct entry on a decent pay scale.