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meloz
26th Aug 2010, 09:43
Any truth to the rumour a couple of Emirates chaps where pinged at the aircraft this morning and could not continue to NZ? Flight delayed waiting for other 777 crew to fill in.

Word on the street is NSW police gave CASA a heads up after encountering them whilst on the town the previous evening.

Skynews
26th Aug 2010, 11:10
Silly buggers, should not wear their uniforms to the pub!

Capt Fathom
26th Aug 2010, 12:31
Word on the street is NSW police gave CASA a heads up after encountering them whilst on the town the previous evening.

Have a think about that statement for a minute...!

Now apply reality!

waren9
26th Aug 2010, 12:37
Yep, the cops woulda got no answer. Casa themselves would've been at the pub since lunchtime.


Must be a fib.

meloz
26th Aug 2010, 12:46
Have a think about that statement for a minute...!

Now apply reality!


Yeah I guess you are right. Probably just a rumour.

neville_nobody
26th Aug 2010, 13:36
What jurisdiction does CASA have over A6 regos and foreign AOC?
I thought they can only enforce Australian law.

greenslopes
26th Aug 2010, 20:44
It would seem that those involved in this discussion are more concerned with the areas of jurisdiction rather than the alleged breach of proffession with a flight crew reporting for duty with a blood aclcohol reading in excess of that allowed by the State regulator.

sleeve of wizard
26th Aug 2010, 22:21
Although EK is a foreign airline they are still required to have an AUS AOC, as for jurisdiction have a look at the number of foreign aircrew that get busted in the UK.:=

Ndicho Moja
27th Aug 2010, 01:30
Does not matter where you are or from or what AOC you operate under, you still have to respect the laws of that country.

AerocatS2A
27th Aug 2010, 01:39
It would seem that those involved in this discussion are more concerned with the areas of jurisdiction rather than the alleged breach of proffession with a flight crew reporting for duty with a blood aclcohol reading in excess of that allowed by the State regulator.
There might be more condemning of the pilots if it was confirmed that it actually happened.

3 Holer
27th Aug 2010, 02:10
I thought they can only enforce Australian law.

Go to the top of the class Nev. You are correct, and under Australian law, you can't fly an aircraft when under the influence of alcohol.;)

Howard Hughes
29th Aug 2010, 07:59
You are correct, and under Australian law, you can't fly an aircraft when under the influence of alcohol.
Not quite true, you are allowed up to .02 BAC!:eek:

FRQ Charlie Bravo
29th Aug 2010, 08:45
Gee that .02 shits me. Not because it's allowed (I think it's a reasonable buffer) but because CASA put it up on posters in plenty of places accessed by the flying public so that it looked like we were permitted to have a bit of a tipple pre-flight (failing to also mention the 8 hours).

FRQ CB

The The
29th Aug 2010, 08:56
A source deep within CASA has leaked this highly confidential CCTV footage. Looks like they had these guys under surveillance for quite a while.

CCTV STING (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hL6nXfBhj0)

LeadSled
29th Aug 2010, 09:20
Howard Hughes,
Not so, the only significance of 0.02 is that it is the minimum detectable level, all the other rules still apply.
Tootle Pip!!

Mr. Hat
29th Aug 2010, 10:19
Impossible CASA wouldn't be out working on a Sunday.

beer bong
30th Aug 2010, 07:54
Impossible CASA wouldn't be out working on a Sunday.

Dunno about that. I got tested by the CASA cnuts on Australia Day.

How unaustralian is that?

rmcdonal
30th Aug 2010, 08:36
Impossible CASA wouldn't be out working on a Sunday. Sure they would, just think of all the overtime/ Flex-days they could build up.

Mr. Hat
30th Aug 2010, 09:19
Fair enough some poor contractor no doubt doing the leg work on his weekend. Promises promises and yet I'm still to be tested.

Wish they did it more - might improve my seniority number!

My only drug? A very good coffee. (They'll ban that before long!). Actually I've seen a few of the security people nearly keel over in convulsion when I've tried to walk thru security with one. Its amazing the excitement it causes! Relax.. I suggested Valium.

Capn Bloggs
30th Aug 2010, 09:45
Ledsled,
Not so, the only significance of 0.02 is that it is the minimum detectable level, all the other rules still apply.

And they would be?? Intoxicated? No. Drink within 8 hrs? No. Besides, it's not 0.02. The limit is LESS than 0.02. Twits. :ugh:

tasdevil.f27
10th Sep 2010, 07:28
The friendly testers were up at LST this morning and caught one of the VB cabin crew over the limit, resulted in an hour delay whilst they waited for the crew members alcohol level to come down.

woftam
10th Sep 2010, 07:33
THAT would have made for an interesting P.A.

turbantime
10th Sep 2010, 07:38
I very much doubt that the delay was due to waiting for his/her limit to come down. The crew member would have been stood down from all duties pending investigation. The delay was most likely caused by bringing in another crew member overnighting in LST.

Capn Bloggs
10th Sep 2010, 07:39
resulted in an hour delay whilst they waited for the crew members alcohol level to come down.
I find that very hard to believe...:cool:

Mr. Hat
10th Sep 2010, 08:29
The hour delay would have been sourcing another crew member from the hotel. Tea and Bikkies anyone?

tasdevil.f27
11th Sep 2010, 01:58
I did question the "wait for the level to lower" as well, that's what the ground crew said. Any how, I'm sure the said cabin crew member would have had some explaining to do.....

The hour delay would have been sourcing another crew member from the hotel

Being that the only other crew available would have been off the over nighting aircraft, what is the minimum rest break for VB crews?

MonsterC01
11th Sep 2010, 14:32
Min Rest wouldn't really matter.

Just get the crew member on board till the next port and run the duty as a split duty,

fire p%$s head CC,

problem solved!

Welcome to zero tolarance!

arkmark
12th Sep 2010, 13:03
I can't agree less.

For gods sake when I joined the airlines there was none of this crap.

The last time there was an incident because a cabin crue member had a hangover was NEVER. NOT EVER EVER EVER.

Wake up you idiots, there's not problem with a hung over FA who is still just over, they were just enjoying one of the few benefits of their demanding jobs the night before.

Someone moved the goal posts and it's just not required.

Personally I would prefer as a huge consumer nowdays of airline services to have a crew who wanted to be there than a crew who were scaired they might be over the limit from a great party the night before.

WTF is wrong with this country when it looses perspective of reality ?

Half the airlines in the world still let the cabin crew smoke in the dunnies yet in precious little Australia we breath test them here now to see who we can snigger at for the sake of being caught out.

That's just singling out the air crew as targets, but the law makes paraihs out of baggage handellers who are stoned and engineers as well. Cleaners too !!!!!!!

God damn it who are the only people left who can work in aircraft ????? Drug test most ground workers and the security guards carrying out the tests and you simply won't have any aeroplanes moving tomorrow.

601
13th Sep 2010, 08:11
Impossible CASA wouldn't be out working on a Sunday.

CASA do not do the testing - it is contracted out.

no one
14th Sep 2010, 01:05
Couldn't agree more with arkmark, we really are the nanny state.

Counter-rotation
14th Sep 2010, 05:51
Assuming of course that the person concerned WAS actually over - as the rumours suggest (sorry if persons here do have good first hand info)...

Part of the problem with this testing is the actual test, if I understand things correctly. Was it alcohol, was it something else, a headache tablet perhaps - that shouldn't have been taken according to DAMP rules, but are you going to stand yourself down or get back to your family/friends/home?

In general, I guess now sometimes your choice is going to be exactly that -
(1) fly with a headache
(2) stand down

[or (3) take a risk]

So I tend to agree with arkmark too... Some of this stuff is completely over the top. One more thing - I seem to recall various calls for Cost/Benefit analysis justifying DAMP's introduction being called for during the "consultation" period. Well, I never saw any at any rate...

CR.

The Green Goblin
14th Sep 2010, 06:09
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I hope this is fake too!

Boomerang_Butt
15th Sep 2010, 21:54
Half the airlines in the world still let the cabin crew smoke in the dunnies

You've got to be kidding, in the third world maybe but "half" is surely an over-exaggeration.

As to people being 'pinged', a positive doesn't necessarily equal drunk, it just means "something" has given a positive reading that could turn out to be false.

You can't condemn the guy until you have a proper test result in your hands. Quite possible for any of us to unknowingly bust a limit, especially if self-medicating allergies, headache, flu and flying between countries which have different ideas of what can and can't take before/during a duty.

Arkmark I hope you're not crew you seem to have entirely missed the point of people being 'fit' for duty... maybe a hungover CC hasn't been a direct cause to an "incident" (yet) but it would have some implications on their performance and certainly moreso in an emergency. While I agree with yor statement about some things being "nanny state" I do not agree that coming to work excessively hungover is acceptable for a cabin crew. Party, but do it responsibly. God knows we get days off to do it!