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grizzled
24th Aug 2010, 17:24
As a Canadian who has spent much of my life in rural Canada I have always been opposed to the Long Gun Registry. The gun problem in Canada relates almost exclusively to hand-guns (mostly illegally imported) and their use in crime in the cities.

I believe the Long Gun Registry (rifles and shotguns) has been an immense waste of (my) tax money, for entirely political reasons. So, though I am not a Conservative Party member (and generally not a "conservative" person), I completely support the Harper government's plan to discontinue the registry.

Discuss?

J.O.
24th Aug 2010, 22:13
Perhaps not surprisingly, Canada's cops don't agree.

Bob Weber
Edmonton — The Canadian Press
Published on Monday, Aug. 23, 2010 9:31PM EDT

Canada's police chiefs have reaffirmed their support for the federal long-gun registry and plan to mount a last-ditch campaign to convince political opponents that what they call a valuable crime-fighting tool is worth saving.

But don't call it political lobbying.

“There are some ideological and political aspects to this,” acknowledged Bill Blair, president of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police and head of Toronto's police department.

“But the law enforcement community does not take a partisan position with respect to this.

“It is not a matter of ideology. It's just a matter of public safety, it's just a matter of officer safety.”

On Monday, the association unanimously adopted a resolution on a national firearms policy that includes a recommendation calling on police leaders and officers work to explain to politicians and people the long-gun registry's value. It's an attempt to head off a private member's bill being considered this fall that would abolish it.

The bill, launched by a Conservative, fully supported by the government and backed by a dozen New Democrats and eight Liberals, passed second reading in the Commons last spring.

A committee recommendation to stop the bill in its tracks will come up for a vote in the House of Commons on Sept. 21, a day after parliamentarians return from their summer break.

Speaking on Monday to a crowd in Churchill, Man., Prime Minister Stephen Harper said the government knows well that some police officers disagree with its stance on the issue.

“On the other hand, all of the elected police officers in the Government of Canada support the government's position,” said Mr. Harper.

“Canadians have been very clear they want us to spend our time and our money focusing on the criminal misuse of firearms and not going after law abiding duck hunters and farmers.”

Chief Blair said police officers now consult the registry up to 11,000 times daily and use it to both investigate and prevent crime. At an annual cost of $4-million a year, he said the registry is a cost-effective way to make communities safer.

“When we provide that information to police officers and police leaders, they get it. And I think we have to do the same thing with Canadians.”

Chief Blair tried to emphasize that the chief's association wasn't taking a political stand.

“I don't think it is appropriate for the police to engage in political debate,” he said. “Our intention is to simply advocate for public safety, to help Canadians understand what we need to do our jobs and to ask for their help.”

But he did direct some of his remarks at politicians.

“We need to help them understand that this is a tool that we need, that we use every day. And if you take it away from us, you are diminishing our capacity to keep our communities safe.”

Chief Blair said the association's communications effort will be low-key, mostly meeting with politicians, members of the public and rank-and-file officers, as well as publishing supportive material on the association's website.

Chief Blair said chiefs have been asked to explain to their communities how police use the registry and why they want to keep it.

“We need to get right into the communities,” said Chief Blair. “We need to engage in a dialogue with people.”

Chief Blair admits many are opposed to gun registration on principle. But he said that long-gun registry can be run in a way that everyone can live with.

“I want to ensure that the law enforcement community are respectful of gun owners and listening to their concerns,” he said.

“We believe we can work with our communities and work with our Parliamentarians to not only retain the tools that we require, but to make sure they work for everyone.”

owdmike
25th Aug 2010, 00:49
Quite agree, Grizzled.
My specific objections here in On. are that many of the so-called Humane Disposal of Pests companies drop off their raccoons on our concession road. As a result we have the animals infesting our property, trying to dig through our shingles into the attic and screaming at each other all night long. They come from all the large urban areas around us where they are treated, and fed, as pets. A .22 is the only relief we have.

grizzled
25th Aug 2010, 01:24
JO...

I have to disagree with your comment. It's Canada's police chief's association that doesn't agree with abandoning the long gun registry. Polls of police officers in Canada (including an ongoing one by an Edmonton police officer) show that working level cops are overwhelmingly in favour of abandoning the registry.

grizz

rotornut
25th Aug 2010, 01:41
An assistant crown attorney in Oshawa, Ontario and I had a chat about the registry. Simply put, we agreed that it will not affect the illegal gun owners who commit most of the firearms related offences in Canada. 'nough said!

pigboat
25th Aug 2010, 01:57
How much good did the long gun registry do for the four guys at Mayerthorp? Not a helluva lot by my count.

Here's a little story that illustrates just how great the gun registry works. A couple of years ago a Laval policewoman was shot and killed by a psycho with registered long gun. Two cops were responding to a noise disturbance in an apartment building. They did everything by the book, including checking the gun registry which indicated there used to be a gun in the apartment but it had been removed because the owner was on anti-psychotic meds. They knocked, identified themselves, and stood one on either side of the door while they waited for a reply. The guy shot her through the door and the bullet entered under her armpit which wasn't covered by her vest. How did the guy have a gun when the register said he didn't? Simple. It was hunting season and the guy had gone to a judge and gotten his rifle back by judicial order even though the cops had petitioned against the return. His right to a firearm as a hunter was being infringed upon, acording to the judge. The gun registry hadn't been amended to show the gun had been returned.

Chuck Ellsworth
25th Aug 2010, 02:36
What I find puzzling about Canada which is supposed to be a first world country is the government can piss away billions on things like the gun registry and the G8/G20 fiasco and only offer the citizens forty hour a week health care unless it is a holiday and then it is even less than forty hours a week.

rigpiggy
25th Aug 2010, 05:42
The company that holds the contract for maintaining the registry "donates" money to the CAPC. conflict of interest maybe?

Willie Everlearn
28th Aug 2010, 03:03
There are lies, gigantic lies, and there are statistics.

Our Gov't is great at signing up law abiding citizens for any of their databases and the gun registry does nothing more than account for thousands of law abiding long gun owners. What role those long guns have played in shooting crimes, especially shootings which involved long guns, is born out by statistics. Everyone knows long guns have been used in crimes to some degree. All parties with 'political' motive will use whatever statistic proves them right (within + or - 3%).

Criminals don't register their weapons and statistically speaking, they don't use long guns in the commission of (most) crimes anyway.

:ok:

breguet
28th Aug 2010, 13:38
I thought that PPRUNE was for anything related to aviation....

MidgetBoy
28th Aug 2010, 19:49
Meh, a Quebecer, never understands Canada's problems.

Mostly Harmless
30th Aug 2010, 15:11
The gun problem in Canada relates almost exclusively to hand-guns (mostly illegally imported) and their use in crime in the cities.

Is this just an opinion or do you have actual data to back up this statement? You may be perfectly correct, or not. I really don't know and I have seen no imperative data to show that you are either correct or incorrect.

CanAmdelta1
1st Sep 2010, 14:18
Not a believer in long gun registry. Opinion is based on use of the program in real world situations dealing with crimes against humanity.
Have seen one successfull use of registry in forensics after illegall elk harvest.