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hull city
16th Aug 2010, 18:33
The Ark Royal is currently in Portsmouth, does anyone know where it is moored?

Lon More
16th Aug 2010, 18:44
the Dockyard?

rgbrock1
16th Aug 2010, 18:48
Excuse me for my seeming Yank ignorance but i thought the HMS Ark Royal was kind
of done in many, many moons ago by a German U-Boat?

Is there a new one?

rgbrock1
16th Aug 2010, 19:06
Thanks for the info Lon Moore. (I'll ignore the first sentence!)

Brings new meaning to the word Resurrect, eh?!!!

Loki
16th Aug 2010, 19:06
Indeed, the first being 1587.....originally named the Ark Raleigh, until acquired by the nation.

Bruce Wayne
16th Aug 2010, 19:13
The Ark Royal is currently in Portsmouth, does anyone know where it is moored?


shove Navy Road, Portsmouth into google maps sat image, should give you a fair idea..

RJM
16th Aug 2010, 19:14
She was parked here, but was asked to 'Move along, please'.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2eas68m.jpg

Rhayader
16th Aug 2010, 19:15
Victory Jetty bows north according to the QHM movements log.

con-pilot
16th Aug 2010, 19:38
Indeed, the first being 1587.....originally named the Ark Raleigh, until acquired by the nation.

Yes, like our Enterprise named ships though out history.

But then again, there has never been a spaceship named Ark Royal, while there was one named the Enterprise*.



Okay, okay, the Space Shuttle Enterprise never actually went into space, so I guess we'll have to settle with the 'Start Trek Enterprise'. :p

G-CPTN
17th Aug 2010, 00:29
ShipAIS - Latest AIS for HMS ARK ROYAL (http://www.shipais.com/showship.php?mmsi=234564000)

Matari
17th Aug 2010, 00:32
con-pilot:

Don't forget the Rutan/Branson VSS Enterprise. Not yet in space, but soon:

News – VSS Enterprise Makes First Crewed Flight | Virgin Galactic (http://www.virgingalactic.com/news/item/vss-enterprise-makes-its-first-crewed-flight/)

Krystal n chips
17th Aug 2010, 05:56
Probably being cut up by Scroggs Metals Emporium ( Inc ) registered address 11 Downing Street, London as a cost saving excercise........as we speak..:ugh:

Blacksheep
17th Aug 2010, 06:58
Yes, like our Enterprise named ships though out history.
You guys don't have a history yet. Give it another three or four hundred years. ;)

Firestorm
17th Aug 2010, 06:59
HC there are two Ark Royals in commission at present. Which one are you looking for: the wooden one or the soft aluminium burns when you stub a fag out on it one? For a (sort of) definitive answer about what's going on in Guz ask a local taxi driver: they seemed to have access to the Admiralty's plans before anyone else apart from the Russians!

Gainesy
17th Aug 2010, 10:14
It is not the HMS Ark Royal.

Just HMS Ark Royal, or Ark Royal. Or floaty grey target thingy.

Storminnorm
17th Aug 2010, 10:22
My mate Trev got posted to the old Ark Royal.(The previous model.)
He arrived wherever it was just in time to see it being towed away
for scrapping.
Never did get to sea on a boat that boy.
12 years in the Andrew, all of it ashore.

tony draper
17th Aug 2010, 12:41
This one? one thunk in a great piece of timing she was sold to India just as the Falklands unpleasentness broke out
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/Deaddogbay/ark_royal_1977.jpg
We used to bump into her all over the world,we began to suspect she was following us about not trusting their own navigation perhaps.
:)

rgbrock1
17th Aug 2010, 12:48
blacksheep:

We don't have a history yet? I guess that depends on how one defines history.
But by any loose definition of the word I object to your insinuation that we, Americans, have no history.

If it's because of length of time then we can surmise that Germany has no history either because they did not become a nation until the mid 19th century.

We can also say that the Czech Republic has no history either because that nation was not born until the late 20th Century.

:p:p:p:p:p

tony draper
17th Aug 2010, 13:01
Well as one oft have to remind the Cousins on another website when they get on their high horse about 'our' bloody European history,one does not become disconnected from what went before ie history just because great great grandpaw took a boat over the pond,it is also their bloody history.
Mostly English History as well, as one just coincidently read today,in the year 1789, 90% of the population of 4 Million in the Colonies were of English decent.
:)

Groundloop
17th Aug 2010, 13:05
This one? one thunk in a great piece of timing she was sold to India just as the Falklands unpleasentness broke out

Sorry, Drapes, it might be Hermes you are thinking about. Hermes was scheduled to be de-commissioned when the Falklands problem began. She was sold to India a couple of years later. The Ark Royal in your picture was gone 2-3 years before the Falkands.

tony draper
17th Aug 2010, 13:09
One stands corrected, I knew her well, she was in Mombassa same time as us,and then followed us to Ceylon and various other points ont globe,we took to looking out for her tootling through the piers the day after we tied up.
:)

Storminnorm
17th Aug 2010, 13:27
Wasn't THAT Ark Royal broken up in Wales???

tony draper
17th Aug 2010, 13:29
Least she could carry proper airyplanes.:rolleyes:

Storminnorm
17th Aug 2010, 13:32
She was broken up at Cairnryan, near Stranraer.
Kept a few Jocks busy for a while.
They had to reduce the number of aircraft she carried
because the aircraft kept getting BIGGER, They should have allowed
for that possibility in the first place, and fitted an expandable bit in
the middle.

G-CPTN
17th Aug 2010, 13:41
in the year 1789, 90% of the population of 4 Million in the Colonies were of English descent.
http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

Nowadays the boot on the other foot is . . .

Gainesy
17th Aug 2010, 13:42
Americans have no history?

I'm sure that the Souix could tell us many a tale, way back to when Leaping Dick took on a Snaggle-Toothed Bear or summink.:suspect:

Flying Lawyer
17th Aug 2010, 18:50
Tony D.Least she could carry proper airyplanes.
So does the present Ark Royal. ;)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Rotorheads/HMS%20Illustrious/Harrier1c_web.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Rotorheads/HMS%20Illustrious/FlightDeck1_web-1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Rotorheads/HMS%20Illustrious/FlightDeck2_web.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Rotorheads/HMS%20Illustrious/HarrierHover_web.jpg


(Pics taken while embarked in HMS Illustrious in July 2009, but the same Invincible Class carrier.)

sled dog
17th Aug 2010, 18:57
Surely proper Naval aircraft need catapults and arrestor wires to function, not this hovering nonsense ? :p

tony draper
17th Aug 2010, 19:11
Dont think those wee hovering beasts can carry a Nuke like the Buccaneer did.
:E

G-CPTN
17th Aug 2010, 19:11
So does the present Ark Royal.
But for how long?

Evening Star
17th Aug 2010, 20:29
Dont think those wee hovering beasts can carry a Nuke like the Buccaneer did.
:E

Such as this arrangement you mean?:

http://nuclear-weapons.info/images/033-Sea-Harrier-loaded.png

tony draper
17th Aug 2010, 20:34
Shhhhhhh! we int supposed to have kept any of them:uhoh::=
Not sure yer Harrier would be swift enough to toss one of them then get the freck our of Dodge.
:)

Firestorm
17th Aug 2010, 21:20
HMS Hermes was sold to India in 1985: I was on HMS Intrepid which left Portsmouth just behind the Hermes on the same day. What happened to HMS Bulwark? I was on HMS Glamorgan (The Glamorous Organ) for her last deployment before she was sold to Chile in 1986.

Lon More
17th Aug 2010, 21:41
Again there have been 5 Bulwarks; the present one is still going strong.

The last one's fate from Wiki

On 28 June 1979, Bulwark was involved in exercise Whiskey Venture, with 820 Squadron (flying Sea Kings) and 45 Royal Marine Commando embarked. Also during 1979, Bulwark was involved in trials of the Sea Harrier.[1] At the start of 1980, Bulwark visited the United States of America; participating in Exercise Safe Passage off the east coast of the United States in late February. On 15 March, while alongside in Philadelphia, a fire destroyed one boiler. The carrier returned to Portsmouth on 2 April, and on 15 April embarked 45 Commando for Exercise Dawn Patrol off Sardinia. In August, Bulwark was involved in Exercise Teamwork 80 off Norway. On 9 November, a major fire damaged the forward hangar and some messdecks.

Nonetheless, the carrier remained intact for over a year, and during the early stages of the Falklands War it was announced that Bulwark would be reactivated. However, a rapid ship-survey had determined she had deteriorated too much for this to be practical.
On 27 March 1981, Bulwark returned to Portsmouth for the final time in her career. She was decommissioned and declared for disposal in April. The carrier was towed from Portsmouth to Cairnryan to be scrapped in April 1984.

heated ice detector
18th Aug 2010, 07:26
seem to remember a truck rolling over on an icy road just outside of Portsmouth,
papers reported it had nuclear depth charges on board from Arc royal,
They must make one hell of a splash.

B Fraser
18th Aug 2010, 08:56
Hermes was also known as HMS Herpes.



.........wait for it



It was a carrier.





Hat, coat, man overboard.

Cron
18th Aug 2010, 09:48
Is that Wickes silicon sealer on the red bit?

Gainesy
18th Aug 2010, 10:33
NB all of Mr Hawker's Leapin Heaps in Flying Lawyer's pics are superbly spiffing Royal Air Force aircraft.

The Fisheads only own those horrid agricultural clappyhopper thingies. And the leaky ol' flat-topped cross-channel ferryboat which reeks of chip fat, cabbage and farts.

Ancient Observer
18th Aug 2010, 10:44
Rather a lot of jealousy in there, Gainesy?

Senior Pilot
18th Aug 2010, 11:16
Dont think those wee hovering beasts can carry a Nuke like the Buccaneer did.

It always concerned me what would actually happen to us if we did drop a 600lb weapon from a 100kt helicopter :hmm:

http://nuclear-weapons.info/images/027-Sea-King-NDB-drop.png

http://nuclear-weapons.info/images/we177-wessex-edited.jpg

tony draper
18th Aug 2010, 11:22
One suspects you would have been in a sticky situation had the chute not deployed after the drop.:uhoh:

Gainesy
18th Aug 2010, 11:32
Jealous of Pusser's Tossers?:)

It always concerned me what would actually happen to us if we did drop a 600lb weapon from a 100kt helicopter

Probably a periscope up yer arris.:uhoh:

Senior Pilot
18th Aug 2010, 11:36
It all depends ;)

http://nuclear-weapons.info/images/023-Laydown-impact.png

Ancient Observer
18th Aug 2010, 11:41
A certain Captain DC who claims that the British Royal navy taught him to fly helicopters told me that the only reason Navy copters carried bombs and guns and the like was to scare the Navy folk that ran the ships.
The ships officers generally knew sfa about helicopters and their ordnance, so the Helicopter pilots just used the ordnance to scare them.

Anyone giving Captain DC control of bombs and guns was obviously mad.

Kolibear
18th Aug 2010, 11:52
Why do merchant vessels bearing the same name but afloat at different times have numerals after their name i.e QE1, QE2; but naval vessels just use the same name over and over again?

We don't see HMS Ark Royal 4 or HMS Daring 2.

(With the possible exception of HMS King George V) :)

tony draper
18th Aug 2010, 11:54
Probably didn't arm themselves if the chute didn't deploy,that didn't apply to nukes, one would not want one of one's nukes falling into enemy hands intact would one, they did not tell the pilots that of course.:E
The numbering thing only applies to those posh cruise liners, proper merchant ships generaly have five or six different names in their lifetime as they are sold on and renamed by different owners,few Merchant Ships went to the scrapyard or the bottom bearing the name they were launched with.
:)

Storminnorm
18th Aug 2010, 14:10
It's all Greek to me.

Firestorm
18th Aug 2010, 16:59
Lon Thanks for that. I was sure that HMS Bulwark had been involved in the Falklands Campaign.

Going on from the taughtolgy thread: people who say "The HMS Nonsuch".. :ugh:

Lon More
18th Aug 2010, 17:57
Instead of re-using the same names over and over you'd think that they'd cotton on and paint a different one on each side so that it'd look like the RN had twice as many ships as they actually have.

Rhayader
18th Aug 2010, 18:37
If I remember correctly through the empty bottles the previous Ark had its last foriegn run in Malta in late '77. I had a few Marsovins with an oppo who was serving on her and went back to his mess (8XY?) for a few tinnies afterwards. The buzz was that concrete was being poured into the double bottom to get her back to the UK in more or less one piece.

:)

TURIN
18th Aug 2010, 19:06
Okay, okay, the Space Shuttle Enterprise never actually went into space, so I guess we'll have to settle with the 'Start Trek Enterprise'

Which one?

http://www.technochitlins.com/mt-archives/Enterprise.jpg

NCC 1701

Or

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41956000/jpg/_41956594_enterprise_model416.jpg

NCC 1701A

Or

http://www.s-w-a-m.org.uk/reviews/rhisiart/starship.jpg

NCC 1701D



I have an anorak you know. :sad:

Loki
18th Aug 2010, 19:28
According to Wiki, there were 15 vessels named HMS Enterprise (though I think a couple had iffy spelling)

This site is always interesting when there`s the square root of five eighths of anything else to do:

Liste of ships : [A] (http://www.ageofnelson.org/MichaelPhillips/liste.php?char=A)