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John Marsh
6th Aug 2010, 20:23
Each choice that you choose within physical reality is only one probability. All probabilities are actualized. Therefore, as you choose to move into a different direction, an alternate continues within the existing direction.

-According to Elias (http://www.eliasforum.org/transcripts/E148_011497.html).

Mind-bending stuff! We each, apparently, produce a legion of alternate selves, each on its own path.

Somewhere, there's a version of me that got the girl! Way to go! There'll be another tucked away in a minor-league 'university', spouting Soviet socialist ideology, -isms and -ists. Another is in radio, and there may be one which is (hopefully) trying to change hearts & minds in Israel.

So... think of the 'alternate yous' you have produced, as you have made your choices in life. What are they doing now? Do you envy, or pity any of them? If you could send one a message, what would it be?

Capetonian
6th Aug 2010, 20:25
What did the ram say to his new bride on their wedding day (apart from baaaaaaaah...?)

"There'll never be another ewe."

Coat .... hat .... door

tony draper
6th Aug 2010, 20:25
Buggah! you mean there is another me somewhere who is very stupid?:rolleyes:

Keef
6th Aug 2010, 20:38
That philosophy, Tony, says there are an infinite number of different yous, interacting wtih an infinite number of different mes, and so on ad infinitum. Seems a bit extravagant on space-time, to me.

tony draper
6th Aug 2010, 20:43
Well I dont hold with this multi universe theory thingy,it's way to complicated,I think it's all pre ordained and linear, no need for branching or multiplying , our route through spacetime is already mapped out, free will is a illusion.
:rolleyes:

Juliet Sierra Papa
6th Aug 2010, 20:47
says there are an infinite number of different yous, interacting wtih an infinite number of different mes,

Agreed Keef, there would only be 1 original person on Earth, the rest would be different versions of the Original. Maybe Universe was supposed to be YouMeverse. :8

Caboclo
6th Aug 2010, 20:52
That bloke Elias claims to know an awful lot; pity all his fancy knowledge isn't able to change the world.

G-CPTN
6th Aug 2010, 20:56
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Mike X
6th Aug 2010, 22:00
THE KEY


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So much for free will. :ugh:

tony draper
6th Aug 2010, 22:08
Our individual timelines are slightly fuzzy because we exist for such a short period of time, this fuzziness is what gives us the illusion of free will.
This will all become clear even to the densest pruner when one's book comes out.
:rolleyes:

Lon More
6th Aug 2010, 22:37
You mean there is a clone of me, with a smaller penis, making porno movies in Hollywood?
And another has just fired MO'L as he was a hopeless toilet cleaner? (THAT one I like)

Tyres O'Flaherty
6th Aug 2010, 22:47
Hugh Everett first described the theory. It resolved (for most theorists) the problematical implications inherent in the Copenhagen interpretation.

Why take any notice of some ''Elias'', joining a rank/legion of bullshit merchants, who may seem clever or ingenious, but are not actually working in the field, unlikely to be able to formally describe their ''understanding'', but of course available courtesy of the interweb ?


:ugh:

tony draper
6th Aug 2010, 22:54
Hmmm,frinstance do all these infinte numbers of yous die at the same instant?:confused:

corsair
6th Aug 2010, 22:54
No less a person than Stephen Hawking has discussed that theory. It's interesting but I cannot believe that the person I am now would be any more successful in any of the possible universes out there.

If there's any advantage in growing older, it's that you can look more objectively on your life and realise that all your illusions about yourself are just that; illusions. So in all the alternative universes. I will be the same person. It's just that in some I will be disappointed with my life for better reasons than I'm disappointed in this life.

So there is no universe where I'm king of the world. Just a hell of a lot of universes where I drink too much and wonder what I was thinking of when I thought flying was a sensible career choice.

G-CPTN
6th Aug 2010, 22:57
Hmmm,frinstance do all these infinte numbers of yous die at the same instant?
Au contraire, as, by definition the other 'you' takes a different path at the time of your demise - so they survive . . .

Tyres O'Flaherty
6th Aug 2010, 23:01
Or die even earlier G-Cptn.


There was a girl. Never got over it. Did wonder if it worked out some other where.

tony draper
6th Aug 2010, 23:03
Hmmm, still think it is nonsense,chalk marks on a mathemeticians blackboard,one shall ponder the matter overnight and shoot it down in flames on the morrow.
:rolleyes:

Loose rivets
7th Aug 2010, 05:33
Of course, that supposes that you are the same you that goes to bed tonight.

You may rise, fully agreeing with the hypothesis, and not wish to shoot it down. This would of course be the result of your current mind hopping from one reality to the other.

The solution is: Don't go to sleep. The pods are maturing...be a'feared.

BlueWolf
7th Aug 2010, 08:40
The truth is, of course, just a little more scary, and quite a lot closer to home.

There are no other versions of you.

There are no other universes; there is no-one else. There is not even this universe. It is all an illusion. There is only you, and you are quite alone.

Yes, that's right; you, you reading this; you are the only one, and there is no-one else. Everything you have believed, everything you think you have been told, is a lie; everything you believe you have experienced is part of the illusion. There is nothing, and there is no-one else. You are but a splinter in the mind's eye of God, and even your perception of that is false.

Come on, accept it. You knew it would come to this; you knew this day would arrive. You have read my posts before. You know who I am, and you know I'm right.

Do not be afraid, but neither continue to delude yourself.

:E

Also, Drapes, when the book comes out, and when you get your own TV panel show, I want to be on that panel. OK?

Lon More
7th Aug 2010, 09:21
It's kept Sci-fi writers in beer and pizza for years. There are many alternatives postulated, many rooted in an alternative Victorian Age.

teeteringhead
7th Aug 2010, 13:57
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teeteringhead
7th Aug 2010, 13:59
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Ancient Observer
7th Aug 2010, 14:11
"I've looked at clouds from both sides now,

................

I really don't know clouds at all"

(I think that's how it goes)