Air India-igrua

[pilot.lawyer]

IGRUA Campus (http://igrua.gov.in/Campus/IGRUA%20Campus.htm)
Please refer to this link.IGRUA is supposed to have a campus interview for its passouts.I do agree that this campus recruitment is going on on for years now.But the scene today is entirely different.With around 4000+ unemployed pilots in the market,a campus interview for IGRUA is just not justified.

My source in IGRUA states that around 50 passouts of IGRUA will be appearing for a vacancy of 30 seats!That is just not done.The simple probability will give you a figure of 0.6!Whereas in the last open ad which air india came up with,4000 pilots applied for a vacancy of 40 seats.Thats 0.01.Why is this injustice done to us?What would a person like me who's from a middle class background do?And over and above this,Air India has called off its recruitment of 738 rated F/O.

I'm not against IGRUA.But,I just want justice for unemployed pilots like us.This campus recruitment at a juncture like this will ruin everything.Why cant IGRUA pilots appear in a normal recruitment drive and be selected if they are meritorious?
Hope someone approaches who's wealthy enough takes up this case to court because it will be beneficial to thousands of us.
Refer http://home.airindia.in/SBCMS/Downloads/cancellation_of_advt.pdf

[Speed Freak]

thats cause this is what igrua is all about...when companies go to big institutes bypassing the smaller one for campus why dont people talk about it then...because they know the quality they get there...the quality may exist in smaller institutes but even a not so smart person from a big institute manages to get a job....its all about branding and this is what the big bad world is all about...igrua is a brand in aviation and whether the canditates deserve the job or not they will get it....however let me also tell you that not everyone from igrua gets selected....for eg. if there are 30 seats and 50 candidates and air india finds only 5 worthy of selection they will take only 5.

[King on a Wing]

That's pure BU$$**** speed freak....!! And even someone as dumb as you khow that for a fact. AI has NEVER been 'meritorious' about their selection,leave alone know OF the word,OR spell it for that matter..
Smell the roses bub...

[casper63]

Speed Freak AI is a govt job and each and every Indian has an equal right to it. Only merit should count for unreserved vacancies. IGRUA is neither a part of AI nor is being managed by AI, however AI is being managed by ex IGRUANs that is a different story!!!!!!!

[air on ice]

Campus recruitment are an advertised and well known advantage of IGRUA.Thats the reason thousands of aspirants sit of its entrance exam.Any other flying school with an actual examination plus skill test plus interview for its induction? You knew it when you went for your CPL.A newbie knows it when he starts his training today.Shouldv joined it if u wanted a part of the pie, buddy!

[air on ice]

As for the "unfair" part of selection into IGRUA....seems nothing can be fair enuf for u guys...from IndiGo to Jet...Goair to Spice...go cry

[Speed Freak]

dont believe you knew that air india and indian airlines pay money to igrua every year...or the govt. of india also supports igrua monetary every year...so if the govt. itself is spending so much money directly and indirectly in igrua why do they not have a right to be biased towards selecting students they actually invested money in. and if you did your research well before doing your cpl you would have realised that igrua is the only one who holds campus. why then did you not decide to go to igrua beats me.

[gottofly]

do u guys know it takes 3 yrs minimum to graduate from IGRUA and double the amount for the course plus like mentioned before theres an entrance exam and interview to get admission in the first place?
I dont think its unfair....and no,I did my cpl from the U.S and not from Igrua.
GOOD LUCK TO EVERY1 LOOKIN FOR THAT JOB.
hw was the JET writtens?:ok:

[air on ice]

It doesnt take 3 years since CAE took over.In fact, considering that DGCA exams are held in house, it doesnt take much time AT ALL! :p

[1123581321]

igrua does the filtering in the entrance only.. 3000 ppl.. 30 selected (till '08).. isnt it 0.01?:sad:

[air on ice]

3000 and 30....definitly dreamt up numbers...the seats have increased immensely since CAE took over (2008)...in fact, in 2008, every person who got through the written got a call eventually.(I know cuz i was called)

[jimmygill]

igrua does the filtering in the entrance only.. 3000 ppl.. 30 selected (till '08).. isnt it 0.01?


CAE is so desperate to get the cadets they will not mind a half wit with 30 lac to spare for a CPL.

[safe in the air]

I am a pass out from IGRUA who is employed with AIR INDIA. The standard of IGRUA is far far better when compared to what is available from outside. Do you object when all the top MNC's pick students from IIT,IIM ? Why dont ppl file a case then in that case. It is just that the standard which keeps a brand floating. IGRUA has proved it over the years. Even if you go to court your case would just not have a stand. So keep your mouth shut and do what you can to compete in the open ad if at all it comes out

[brendanelopes]

If u cant get into IGRUA, i suggest you dont start lame threads on employment. Flying isnt a joke, and only the best get into IGRUA, and btw I gave the exam this year and passed into.......

BTW......Igrua is a government academy, and Air india too......so i dont see the problem in them giving placement to their own governments academy.

AND WHY DIDNT YOU THINK ABT GETTING INTO IGRUA IN THE FIRST PLACE??

I really like the comment on abt complaining abt IIT......Why dont you try it??

[vserian]

I am currently employed by Air India ( not from IGRUA) and yes many new trainee pilots that recently got employed with AI are from IGRUA. Recently some 12 IGRUA students (9 boys and 3 girls) got employed with AI and they are currently doing ground classes for the B777s and yes i feel its very unfair to others cause AI took them directly from the institution and not by doing any public selection exams.But on the other end it does look fair for the students who studied in IGRUA since they got selected on merit basis to get employed with AI. Interesting thing is that these students started their training in late 2007 on the beginning of the recession and got employed at the peak of recession, straight into the B777!

@safe in the air - i couldn't send you a PM since you blocked and which type are you in and when you got employed. if only you want to share it

[brendanelopes]

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
:ok::ok::ok:

NICE 1 abt the IIT!!!:D:ok:

[alphabravocharlie1]

If u cant get into IGRUA, i suggest you dont start lame threads on employment. Flying isnt a joke, and only the best get into IGRUA, and btw I gave the exam this year and passed into.......


exactly the reason why you feel only the best get into IGRUA. because you passed.
...while conveniently ignoring the other dim witted boobs who get into this outfit through various shady means.

u will never want to agree otherwise because it will shatter your false and fake sense of "pride" that you managed to get into "the best flying school in the world."


brendanelopes

Probationary PPRuNer

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That says it all ! :)

[Pulkdahulk]

do u guys know it takes 3 yrs minimum to graduate from IGRUA and double the amount for the course plus like mentioned before theres an entrance exam and interview to get admission in the first place?

Go Jump somewhere, It takes four-five years to get a flying license from the World's Best University in the world - Embry-Riddle - I am from there- Oh yeah, we trained World War II pilots, trained astronauts that have flown 31 times into space and the last shuttle in September will have 2 of our alumni but that DOES Not mean that We are the best - and IGRUA is not the best -

Everybody is the best - otherwise they would not have their CPL License - It is individual MERIT and how hard you work - But Calling IGRUA the best when ERAU exist is shameless

If u cant get into IGRUA, i suggest you dont start lame threads on employment. Flying isnt a joke, and only the best get into IGRUA, and btw I gave the exam this year and passed into

IF you can't get into ERAU, I suggest you don't brag about getting into IGRUA. You guys don't do maneuvers that we do here in the USA. And when did someone said Flying is a JOKE here on this thread- Every body has a right to call themselves the BEST - And me being from ERAU - I WILL NEVER WORK FOR AIR INDIA - they are run by :mad::mad: and will do so - I am not talking about Pilots - I am talking about Management

[jimmygill]

because they know the quality they get there...

The quality of IGRUA can be audited,

Take the passing out flight time of all candidates.
Calculate the standard deviation.

Quality will be inversely proportional to the standard deviation.

If you find that most of them get CPL by 210 hrs then, quality can be in doubt.

[jimmygill]

The entrance system to IIT is Uncompromised.

There is no filter like, you can join IIT if you have 28.5 lac to spare.

Only condition required to join IIT is that you beat lakhs of other candidates in the fairest exam that happens in India.

The faculty at IIT is world class, so is infrastructure. Can you say the same with IGRUA?

Its ok if you don't have money, government will provide Scholarship.


Any body considering these two systems comparable in terms of merit is just a dimwit..


A dimwit is someone who can enter IGRUA but will be kept miles away from IIT. I am sorry if that hurts.

IGRUA has proved it over the years.

When we talk about IIT usually it is

IITians have proved it over years and not IIT have proved it over years.

And there lies the difference.

[Terror.Bird]

I agree with jimmygill (http://www.pprune.org/members/300045-jimmygill) you can't compare IIT, IIM with IGRUA.. Apart from comparing them IGRUA don't have standards for themselves at the very first place.
>I appeared for IGRUA twice. First time my B.Sc degree was taken in eligibility criteria.. I couldn't make it that time :{ I applied next time & I wondered they rejected stating B.Sc degree I have, does not fit in the criteria as per the bible of IGRUA. :ugh:
>One guy I know , his father was one of the top rank serving Army officer., Can you imagine he wrote his father's name with rank n all on the top of the application form with a highlight. (as instructed by his father).. & much to expectations he cleared all the rounds.. does these type of things happen even in ny of the gud institutes.. NO.. Corruption n irregularities are every where but don't you think IGRUA gave a new dimension to it??

[xyz21]

Can We Appear In All Paper Of Dgca After 10 Hr Of Flying /can We Appear In Reg+met+tecg[gen] After 10 Hr Or Do We Need 25 Hr To Include Tech In Tis

[Terror.Bird]

@xyz check this out

Applicants for CPL exam:
1. The applicant should have Indian PPL; OR
2. Have completed 100 hours of ground training covering all the subjects of CPL in an approved flying training institute for which the Chief Ground Instructor shall issue a certificate to this effect;
The applicant shall be permitted to appear in Aviation Meteorology and Air Regulation papers and thereafter on being successful in these exams and on completion of a minimum of 15 hours of flying training which may include a maximum of 5 hours of simulator training, the applicant shall be permitted to appear in other subjects of CPL i.e. Air Navigation, Technical General and Technical Specific on the aircraft type; OR
3. An applicant shall be permitted to appear in all papers of CPL provided he has acquired a minimum of 25 hours of flying training experience which may include a maximum of 5 hours of simulator training and completed 350 hours of ground training as specified in CAR Section 7 Series ‘D’ Part I.
4. Attended the ground training classes with DGCA approved Flying/ Ground Training Institutes or Defence Establishments on the subjects of a category of license in which the applicant desires to appear.


P.S: Please check DGCA.nic.in before asking such basic Q...

[bucks_raj]

so did the campus recruiters pick up thr kids from igrua..... or

was it "tum mujhey khoon do....." types....

[spedfast]

If the IGRUAns claim to be the best, then they should not be afraid to beat off other CPL holders in a fair and open for all examination conducted by AI, IC etc.

Especially when...
The standard of IGRUA is far far better when compared to what is available from outside

[Pulkdahulk]

@Anjali - Please can you take a proper amount of time to write decent grammar so that I can understand what are you trying to write. This will be much helpful for all of us here.

Thanks

[estranged soul]

Anjali babe what are you doing Saturday night ?

[Pulkdahulk]

@AnjaliQ - I did not get your last line at all.

"Hey pulkdahulk .....so that I can understand what are you trying to write.u wrote this. U call this decent grammar it should b so that I can understand what you are trying to write."

I got the first line till the second punctuation mark. But after that I have no clue what are trying to imply?

Okay your Original Post excerpts as below

"Hey u guys
Was looking for advice... I wanna start my flying but dunno from where to do it states is not an option so its either igrua or d flying school in gondia .which do u think is better .. Igrua has campus placements which is great but pretty soon gondia will too n by soon I mean this month dads a senior pilot with ai n is in d recruitment team that's how I know...but I still think igrua is better urrrggghhh so confusing... Help me .thanksxxx"

Your words sounds like you text too much and you use a lot of short cuts. Sorry but I am not used to your short cut language.

If this was much better

"Hey Guys, I was looking for an advice. I wanna start my flying but dunno from where to do it from. The States is not an Option; so its either Igrua or the flying school in Gondia. Which do you think is better..Igrua has campus placements which is great but pretty soon Gondia will too and by soon I mean this month. My dad is a senior pilot with A.I, and is in the Recruitment team and that's how I know, but I still think IGRUA is better.....urrggghhh so confusing....Help me. Thanksxxx

It is basic Courtesy and maintaining Professionalism. This is PPRUNE...Google it for Full Form if you can or look above.


No look carefully, I wrote the way you wrote that "dunno" "urrggghhh"...I am not asking for you to write "do not know", what I am saying is break your sentence up with Punctuations...Its like taking 4 sentences and making them into 1.

[Pulkdahulk]

@AnjaliQ - And you want to stick to the point

Your father is an Air India Captain and in the Recruitment team. You have your own answer right in front of you.

IGRUA and Gondia are both handled by CAE.

IGRUA has been there and will be doing it as they do always - Pilot Hiring, Training and Placement.

Gondia - Just about to open their campus for Training. They will take time to get established and be a fully functional institute.

So IGRUA if you are wise enough (wink*)

[Pulkdahulk]

Flight Instructor

[Excelsior100]

Nice one hahaha!:hmm:

[issues]

I spent a good 30mins reading this thread. Quite funny when people from IGRUA think they are 'Top Guns'. They think its the best ? I remember reading about one particular crash where the student pilot thought he was 'sunny deol' and took the aircraft over a lake/dam at about 5ft AGL and touched the water and crashed. Saw a video on Youtube about someone's solo and the guy filming was repeating the word cool/nice/smooth like a retard. Entrance exams and interviews are all right but what about flying? How about putting an IGRUA student into New York or Atlanta's airspace and see if they are the best :p Anyways I am not saying IGRUA is not good. My aunt passed out from IGRUA in 1991 and has been flying with AI since. But they do it better in the US :ok:

[PP351]

Hahaha now this is turning out to be quite an interesting thread.
@pulkdahulk that was a killer ,you hit the nail on the head :ok::D

[alkatdiaz]

@ISSUE:Yes U.S does it a better way.Students from U.S really have more knowledge..Its just when jet exams comes up they forget everything and 50% of igruan passes it.Its just that DGCA thinks that people coming from U.S has to appear for a check before he gets a CPL.Its just that they do 1 week of ground studies while IGRUA does 6 month of ground studies.AI comes for the campus..Routine visit by almost all they airlines in INDIA..They have better aircraft..Better instructors...better routines...otherwise U.S does it a better way...and in training its only you who keeps on saying retard-retard..but i can understand in U.S you are taught that..

Lets open a looser forum in which your comment will be appreciated....