Dreamliner at Farnborough

[sdac]

The Boeing 787 arrived at Farnborough for the Airshow this morning. The Boeing man can be seen being interviewed by the BBC, with the Airbus 380 as the back drop. Tee Hee.:O Maybe there will be a vacancy in the Boeing PR department shortly?

[CRX]

I had the pleasure of seeing the Dreamliner with the unambiguous callsign 'Boeing 787', pass underneath us this morning on our way down to LGW.
Decided to PA the sighting to the pax, who I am pleased to say were enthusiastically looking out at it.
There's still a bit of a spotter in all of us I guess...

CRX.

[Gulf4uk]

unfortunatly the public will only get to see this on TV or Monday and
Tuesday as its down to depart sometime in the afternoon.
At one time it was in the very close company of 3 Airbus types.
A7-BAE Has now arrived ETIHAD 777-F So perhaps its not alone

TONY
FARNBOROUGH :E

[NWSRG]

Nice clip on BBC of her arriving...flypast then a very short landing roll-out!

BBC News - Dreamliner lands at Farnborough (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10676791)

[Adam GoodJob]

After 20 years of criticizing them, Boeing finally built an Airbus :}

Good job, Hank!

[Dream Buster]

YouTube - Airlines: Gift im Flieger? - Teil 2 von 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXZW87UvYNk&feature=related)

This clip will let you know.

or

"The Best kept secret in Aviation".

DB :ok:

[PAXboy]

Despite the 380 in the background, over the months the PR people have done a good job. You can see the media quoting, "This is the world's first composite aircraft" and here is a quote from the BBC story from the above link:
When it was first conceived, the Dreamliner was a revolutionary concept, but rivals have since done much to catch up.
Also, they picked a very good name for the machine, in order to get away from the 'jumbo' epithet that was foisted upon them and has now become as universal as Hoover, they sensibly choose a meaningless word but one that sounds like it might be nice.

Boeing's chief project engineer, Mike Sinnett, sensibly talks about the extra oxygen and moisture that will be available in the cabin. The journalist walking through the cabin admiring everything was at least reminding people that this was not how it would be fitted by an airline. They let him show off the electronic window screens which look a very bad idea to me. The individual buttons are obviously not working, as he 'pressed' the button on the window and both adjacent windows dimmed. So the CC will have the ability to override your dimmer button and enforce a blackout!

[Daz801-82]

On Tuesday 20th, it will overfly the R-R factories in Derby, it is pencilled in for 17:25, after doing a couple of go-arounds at E.M.A..

Cheers Daz :ok:

[BandAide]

When it was first conceived, the Dreamliner was a revolutionary concept, but rivals have since done much to catch up.

Grasping the concept and building the beast are two entirely different matters.

When they put me in charge of equipping the future fleet, I'm going to add 5 years to the promised delivery date, as has been shown to be prudent given the experience of the A-380 and B-787.

Congrats to Boeing on seeing this one through and crossing the pond with it.

[Union Jack]

The Dreamliner as seen by "The Scotsman" newspaper:

'Super-plane' to link Scotland with South America unveiled - Scotsman.com (http://www.scotsman.com/news/39Superplane39-to-link-Scotland-with.6426310.jp)

Parochial or what!

Jack

[Lightning Mate]

Boeing finally built an Airbus

Not quite. The 787 is the first in the world to use bleedless engines.

Now watch Airbus catch up!

[OliWW]

The B787 will be doing a flyby at Rolls Royce in Derby on Tuesday afternoon for those who are interested

[DSAFLYER]

Do we have any update on how long before TOM get their hands on the B787? Are they still wanting after the huge delay? Ill swap all the B737 300 in TOM fleet for 1, nobody wants a B737 300 at DSA?

[Lightning Mate]

Interesting comments from the Boeing guy regarding it will be pressurised to a higher level than "normal" to give more passenger comfort.

But I wonder how the "plastic" fuselage will take to being hit by baggage and catering trucks? AND how long it will take to repair!

It's stronger than aluminium.

There is also no way in which contaminants in engine bleed air can affect the passengers either.

[Doors to Automatic]

The landing run was unbelievable - the beast stopped on a sixpence! :p

[Mr @ Spotty M]

First due for TUI Jan 2012.

[Dream Buster]

Boeing 787: Clean cabin air

In evidence from the House of Lords enquiry in 2007, Boeing admitted that traditional bleed air design is flawed.

“The Boeing 787 will have a no-bleed architecture for the outside air supply to the cabin. This architecture eliminates the risk of engine oil decomposition products from being introduced in the cabin supply air in the rare event of a failed engine compressor seal. In addition, this architecture improves fuel efficiency, thus reducing fuel burn and associated engine emissions.”

House of Lords - Science and Technology - Written Evidence (http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldselect/ldsctech/7/7we07.htm)

Come on guys - read the small print, the answer is always under your nose.

DB :mad:

[Lightning Mate]

“The Boeing 787 will have a no-bleed architecture for the outside air supply to the cabin. This architecture eliminates the risk of engine oil decomposition products from being introduced in the cabin supply air in the rare event of a failed engine compressor seal. In addition, this architecture improves fuel efficiency, thus reducing fuel burn and associated engine emissions.”

The fuel burn reduction due to this alone is minimal.

All pressurisation is from electrically driven compressors, hence the requirement fo very high output AC generators. Add to that the fact that anti-icing must be electrical, further adding to the generators load.

Wot drives the big generators?

You cannot get something for nothing - go ponder.....

...and whilst you are at it, wossa House of Lords?