Third A400M makes maiden flight

[Algy]

MSN3 is in the air from Seville right now and for at least some of the time today all three aircraft were simultaneously airborne from SEV or TLS. And that's the 100th flight done.

If you can get to Farnborough 19-22 July you can see Ed Strongman's display sequence - which will not disappoint.

Official Airbus Military statement below:

The third development aircraft of the new A400M airlifter made its maiden flight today, taking off at 13h 57 local time (GMT +2) from Seville.
Experimental Test Pilot Tony Flynn captained the flight, supported by Experimental Test Pilot François Barre. The crew also included Flight Test Engineers Laurent Lapierre and José Angel Corugedo, and Test Flight Engineer Gérard Maisonneuve.
MSN 3 joins its sister-ships MSN 1 and MSN 2 which were also in the air during this test flight, meaning that 3 A400M were flying at the same time. During the day this fleet also passed the milestone of 100 test flights and 400 flight hours.
Airbus head of flight operations Fernando Alonso said: “The addition of MSN3 to the fleet is great news and will let us push ahead even more rapidly with the flying programme.”
MSN3 is the third of an eventual five aircraft which will conduct the 3,700 hour flight-test programme leading to first delivery. It is the first aircraft to carry a medium flight-test instrumentation load, rather than the heavy fit of the first two, and will be primarily dedicated to auto-flight development, aircraft systems development, and route-proving.
The fourth aircraft, MSN4, is at an advanced stage of manufacture at Seville and is due to fly around the end of the year, followed by the fifth in mid-2011.
A total of 184 aircraft have so far been ordered by Belgium France, Germany, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Spain, Turkey and the United Kingdom:ok:

[LowObservable]

Flight rate is making certain FifthGenerationTM wonderjets look a bit sick, isn't it?

[120class]

Good to see Tony Flynn flying the A400M.

[aviate1138]

PICTURE: Third A400M takes to the air (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/07/09/344266/picture-third-a400m-takes-to-the-air.html)

[BEagle]

Nice to see the A400M flying into Brize a couple of minutes ago!

It looked rock steady in this unpleasant, gusty weather - and was MUCH quieter than any C-130!!

[NutLoose]

Airbus head of flight operations Fernando Alonso.

Hope he has more of a sense of humour than the other one.....

that'll sort out the paras down the back lol

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=34858

[Seldomfitforpurpose]

C130 noisy, Oh thank you Lord, at last a real positive for the move to Brize :p

[boftr]

Will any of these see service or are all too much of a prototype to be fitted for operations later?

[Algy]

MSN1 to stay in company. Others likely to be refurbished and sold at some undefined point.

[Jig Peter]

Shots elsewhere (Flightglobal) of the A400M at Brize alongside a C-17 and a Hercules show just how much of a "narrow-body" (to borrow a term from civil aviation) the C-130 is.
Time for the RAF to move into the "wide-body" age, and for military transport pilots to get their mitts on fly by wire and sidesticks* on an aircraft which can move what the Army's being equipped with into places where the Army (inter alia) needs it...

*PS. In addition to the lucky drivers of A330s, though I don't know how many of those will be driven by RAF pilots and how many by AirTankers' people.

[Seldomfitforpurpose]

It's probably fair to say that the RAF would have loved to have moved into the "wide body and side stick age" many many many months ago.

Sadly the folk tasked with providing this new technology seem to have been dragging their corporate arses, so much so that the latest rumour going round is that the Defence review could see even more changes to the order :=

[Biggus]

Seldom,

Why should we change the size of the order when we are getting such a bargain......

What is it at the moment? 19 for the price of 25???:D

[StopStart]

Whilst we truckie pilots thank you for looking out for us :hmm: I suspect many of us aren't particularly bothered by sidesticks and quite a few of us are already involved in "wide body" trucking. Sadly, those poor souls find that their hugely capable Boeing strat/tac airlifter is tied up doing endless, mostly soul destroying strat lifting to and from theatre. I suspect your "wide-body" Airbus will end up doing the same, regardless of what the brochure says.

As for delivering what the Army needs to where they need it I suspect you and they will also continue to be disappointed. As the RAF has become the most risk averse outfit ever to put on a uniform you'll be unlikely to see the Airburkules do anything other move big loads from 11000ft tarmac rwy to 11000ft tarmac rwy.

Still, it looks nice :ok:

[Blighter Pilot]

Still, it looks nice


And that Stoppers will be all that it can do for the foreseeable future.

I can see that the A400M will become nothing more than an expensive replacement for our older strategic fleets - the MOD/RAF will never let it fulfil all the roles it is more than capable of.

Just another strat aircraft without a big enough payload or range!:mad:

Especially as we'll only get 5 post SDSR.:ok:

[VinRouge]

Actually, I can imagine a 2-fleet tac/strat airlifter fleet post SDSR and unfortunately, not the Herc featuring as one of those fleets....

[skaterboi]

I doubt that very much Vin.

I know that things are DIRE and that 2 fleets per role is the aspiration from on high, but I cannot see the Herc J Fleet getting dumped post SDSR (The K's are another story, obviously). More likely I would suggest is that we're talking C-17 and Herc J until 2015-16, then sell the J's and get take delivery of A400M.

I didn't say it was a sensible plan though :hmm:

[VinRouge]

Sorry,

thats what I meant! They would have to "prove" the 400M before getting rid of a highly capable fleet; having said that, course 1 A400M would probably be good for the states route currencies, as well as all those trips to the far east on export deal trips!:)

[StopStart]

The sop for sticking with the A400 will be the "early" retirement of the J - early 2020s.

Stopstart's crystal balls reckon that SDR will see sacking off of remaining K fleet forthwith, reduction in A400 buy + earlier retirement of J, reduction of AWACs fleet by at least 50%, canx RIVET JOINT and possible binning of MRA4. Would be nice to dispose of VC10 but we'd lose AAR capability. Leasing a couple of tanker spec C130Js off the Italians would fill the gap but I suspect our Lords and Masters will be too busy abusing themselves over the fabulous JSF brochure to look that deeply into it all....
:hmm:

[BEagle]

Stoppers, the Italians are very glad to have their tanker-spec C-130s because Ol' Bubba Boeing still hasn't been able to get the dismal KC-767I to work properly....:hmm: So I doubt whether they'd agree to releasing the only tanker platforms they currently have which actually work....:\

Given a few more years in the sand and it won't be just the C-130Ks which will be totally shagged out. So I would envisage a slow 1:1 A400M:C-130J programme. Numbers don't add up? Yes, but, thanks to the sandaholics, there will be a whole herd of CH-47s looking for a role in life post-2014....:bored:

Had Marshalls ever been capable of giving the TriStar a multi-hose capability, then the VC10 (apart from 'those' 3 K3s...:oh:) would certainly be facing early retirement. Whereas now I would envisage the VC10 adopting a 'tanker-only' role pretty soon - and the TriStar being used increasingly less as a tanker. Particularly if the cost of operating TriStar and FSTA together comes under closer scrutiny.

My ears tell me that a certain FSTA organisation has a contractual clause in place which will make the UK A400M's use as a tanker somewhat problematic - except, perhaps, for refuelling helicopters...:*

A task for which a KC-27J with a lightweight fusleage refuelling unit would be far better employed.....:ok:

By the way, will you be at Wyton on Friday?

[Bandoleer]

Is a refueling capability - both give and get - part of the flight test program?

[StopStart]

BEags, the only trouble with a one for one type swap is that you're not swapping like for like. Shiny new A400 will roll straight into strat lifting; your intra-theatre lift and airdrop will still have to be covered by the J for a long while yet. As for the Italians I'd heard they were trying to offload their tankers a while back - maybe just unfounded rumour :)

Can't make it on Friday unfortunately as I'll be flying round in circles chucking stuff at the sea!

[Tony Flynn]

http://www.pprune.org/military-aircrew/420584-third-a400m-makes-maiden-flight-post5799652.html#post5799652

'Good to see Tony Flynn flying the A400M'

I was just thinking the very same thing!!

[Trumpet_trousers]

Will the real Tony Flynn reveal himself please!

"I'm Tony Flynn, and so is my wife!" etc, etc. :)

[Jig Peter]

In an interview with Flight at Farnborough, Ed Shipman said they'd soon be fitting one of the flight test aircraft with hose units, to find out if there's any effect on handling. Already they've done some formation work, to see what the slipstream's like in the "getting" position, which showed up no problems. He didn't say whether any fuel would be passed in the near future.
He also mentioned that they would soon be starting trials with a "mocked up" rough and pebbly strip at Toulouse before going to a real "rough strip".

While the RAF will "induct" (as a current, if unlovely, term is) the A400M in their own inimitable way, its other customers and operators certainly have some tasks and strips for which its capabilities will be needed, well away from 11000 feet of tarmac. So if you want dramatic shots of a work-horse working, look for other national markings ?

[Trumpet_trousers]

Ed Shipman WTFIT? (Who the f*ck is that?) Is he related to Harold Strongman, by any chance?

[Jig Peter]

Many, many apolologies to Mr.STRONGman - distinct senior moment there ... :{:{:{

[Less Hair]

Grizzly Three visited Hamburg last night for cold weather trial preparations. Don't know if that was Mr. Shipman's business again.:} Returned to LFBO this morning.

Airbus A400M für Kältetest in Hamburg - FLUG REVUE (http://www.flugrevue.de/de/militaer/fluggeraet-hersteller/airbus-a400m-fuer-kaeltetest-in-hamburg.35057.htm)

[Rengineer]

It's an ill wind that blows nobody good, as they say! ;)
The nasty cold spell in Germany these days seems to have come at a good time for the bearbus. At least someone profits from it...

[Less Hair]

Number 4 is airborne as well.

picture:
Vierte A400M startet in Sevilla zum Erstflug - FLUG REVUE (http://www.flugrevue.de/de/militaer/fluggeraet-hersteller/vierte-a400m-startet-in-sevilla-zum-erstflug.35952.htm)

[Trumpet_trousers]

Fourth Airbus Military A400M makes first flight (http://www.airbusmilitary.com/PressRelease/tabid/133/ArticleId/117/Fourth-Airbus-Military-A400M-makes-first-flight.aspx)

[BEagle]

Good to see that, TT! Have you done much flying yet?

My compliments to the cosmonaut, next time you see him!

[mojomoh]

Well one of them has just been doing racetracks over my house with the port outer feathered. Impressive beast I must say.

[Green Flash]

Pardon my hignorance but what is that stuck off the back of the tail in TT's link? Orange panel at the apex of the tailplane and what looks like a whip aerial stuck out horizontaly with an orange tag on the end.?

[John Farley]

It is a trailing static pressure sensor the better to get a handle on the ambient pressure in the vicinity of the aircraft.

If you google tailing static cone you will see plenty - on the 787 first flight for example.

[Dengue_Dude]

Well if they keep cutting the Armed Forces the way they are, in a about 5 years, they'll be able to get the whole Army in the back of that aircraft.

Mind you, with a bank angle like you can see in that photo, the aircraft won't last long enough . . . (yeah I know about barrel rolls, but flew long enough to see not that many pilots could actually do that).

[Less Hair]

Dresden fatigue testing has started.

[A2QFI]

"By then the A400M programme - which is several billion euros over budget and four years late - should be running smoothly.

Seven European governments have each ordered dozens of the A400M aircraft in order to support the project.

In March this year (2010), the seven agreed to inject 1.5bn euros (£1.3bn) in additional funding.

So, how many of them are the RAF going to get, how many years late and at what unit cost?