Can we get rid of the ASIC?

[Andy_RR]

Well, it might be possible, if we could organise a mandate to our elected representatives.

Have a read of this (http://peoplesmandate.essentialsecurity.com.au/PEOPLES_MANDATE.html)

then read this (http://www.sovereigntyparty.org.au/attachments/109_YourWillBeDone.pdf)

Please don't post a response to this thread until you've read at least the first link.

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[rmcdonal]

So a collective group of individuals is less powerful then a group of individuals collectively?
The sum of the parts are indeed greater then the whole?


:}

[cficare]

...is that a whiff of conspirancy theory in the air??.........



yes,i know i cant spell!

[Andy_RR]

Kind if disappointing that the collective opinion of PPRuNers confuses our democratic rights with conspiracy.

...or perhaps that means that Mr Albanese is doing a sterling job eh? :sad:

[muddergoose]

A quick glance revealed the following:
"But they shall sit everyman under his vine and under his fig tree; and
none shall make them afraid,..."
MICAH IV, iv.

It interests me and makes me cautious when religious quotes are thrown into the fray

Couldn't you be more succinct ANDY?

P.s.- I would like to see the card banished from the majority of places.

[YPJT]

Given the minister's push to have more persons with a need to be airside undergoing background checking (read having and ASIC), I seriously doubt your idea will grow legs.

[Arnold E]

Kind if disappointing that the collective opinion of PPRuNers confuses our democratic rights
Smells of unionism ( socialism )to me :eek:

[Super Cecil]

Smells of unionism ( socialism )to me
Your right Arnold, the pleb's are revolting. :}

We cannot expect a stop to this highly regarded and successful program. We must give thanks to the great one lil johnny howard for the introduction of this terror thwarting measure. Since it's introduction there have been no hijackings in Australian Airspace. This proves the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on "Anti terror" measures has been well spent. What would all those little people with high viz vests do if they couldn't harass others about ASIC's? :hmm:

[rioncentu]

They would be unemployed thus Savin us all mega $$$$

[Andy_RR]

A quick glance revealed the following:
"But they shall sit everyman under his vine and under his fig tree; and
none shall make them afraid,..."
MICAH IV, iv.

It interests me and makes me cautious when religious quotes are thrown into the fray

Couldn't you be more succinct ANDY?

P.s.- I would like to see the card banished from the majority of places.

muddergoose, our legal system is founded upon religion - Our head of state is also the head of the church. Whether you want it or not, whether you be religious or atheist, it matters not. If people understood where our laws have come from, how they have been framed and what protections and power they can offer, they would be extremely reluctant to dispose of them or Queen Lizzie in favour of a republic. (not that I wish to turn this into a monarchist/republican debate)

If I may also quote, as you did:

In the final analysis it is the Constitutions and Laws of the Commonwealth and the States, and the High Court interpretations of such, that determines what we can or cannot do in our daily lives. It is, therefore, to those Constitutions, Laws, and Court interpretations that we must continuously look for guidance and succour in our living, work and play, and not to the dissembling party politicians.

I urge you to take more than a quick glance at "Your Will Be Done" (second link)

[Andy_RR]

Arnold E, nothing wrong with unionism in its place. In mine and others opinions, unionism is only formed out of necessity caused by injustice and bad managment. I think there's plenty of that in Canberra and elsewhere too, so if it looks and smells to you like unionism, perhaps it's not a bad thing.

To be clear though, I am not a unionist, nor a union member and would be reluctant to become one in our present day - at least from an employment perspective.

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[OZBUSDRIVER]

AndyRR..interesting link, very interesting information.

It still comes down to the vote..or numbers of. In aviation there are very few aviation employees or interested parties to affect a vote in any one electorate. My electorate has a closet greens party candidate who is in a conservative party. Do you think he would act on this issue of some maybe 1500 "Will" writers(Optimistic!) out of an electorate of some 130,000 or more would make any difference to him?

I am interested to see how some twenty or thirty "wills"(more realistic!) makes a big difference..can you elaborate?

[paulg]

There is a good argument in favour of exempting flight crew from ASIC requirements. But this case needs to be put persuasively. Being an anonymous forum, PPRune is great for getting the message around, but not so good for gathering signatures on a petition or on letters. In reality, most lobbying at ministerial level is done by peak industry bodies and unions with the backing of their members. This is the way to go on this issue.

[Andy_RR]

OZ,

You're correct that it comes down to the number of "votes". I guess my original point for posting was to let people know that the ballot box isn't the end of their democratic rights, or responsibilities. We don't have to take what the pollies give us and we can change things if we have the will to do so.

Regarding the issue of ridding aviation of the ASIC, I concede it's going to be a hard sell to get more than just pilots involved in a mandate, but if the demand framed a reasonable requirement (for example, to reduce the duplication and waste of ASIC/AVID), it might be more likely to win the support of a greater proportion of the non-aviating public. In the end it will take the coordination of a few to garner the agreement and cooperation of the many to make it happen. When the pollies see the freight train of opinion gathering pace and heading their direction, perhaps they'll act sooner rather than later?

I was only introduced to this concept relatively recently and I admit, it appeals to my sense of they way democracy should be. I would love to see if something could be made to happen - a demonstration project, if you will.

For those based in Melbourne with a spare evening on the last Tuesday of every month come along to the Ashburton (Boroondara) Library 19:30 to hear some of the background legal discussion behind this. I guarantee your eyes will be opened a little wider about how this country runs and should run. (if you're reading this Julia and Anthony, you are welcome to attend too!)

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[Andy_RR]

paulg,

regarding petitions, letters and lobbying, they are next to useless in changing the path political progress. The concept of a mandate, however is integral to the democratic process. We elect MP's to represent us, but we also need to tell them what we want them to do for us. That is the concept of a mandate in a nutshell.

Remember, we don't elect a party, a prime-minister or any of the cabinet ministers - all we do is elect our electoral-bounded representatives. If we like Liberal policies, but our Liberal policitian is a plonker, what choice is that?

We need to vote the best person into the position and then tell him/her what we want them to do!